Re: cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
Hi, On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 19:05:45 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > Hi, > > Michael Lange wrote: > > cdrskin -v -dummy -eject dev=/dev/sr0 -sao speed=10 track1.wav \ > > sao_pregap=75 track2wav sao_pregap=225 track3.wav track4.wav > > > > Is my assumption correct that this will add a 1-second pregap before > > track2 and a 3-second pregap before track3 and no pregap before > > track4? > > I hope so. :)) > This stuff was implemented and tested in 2012. But there was few > feedback from users since then. Bit rot is always a risk in such > situations. (Last was in 2019 and caused libburn 1.5.0-1+deb10u1.) > > You will have to invest a real medium (CD-RW would avoid plastic waste) > and then check with the actual CD players whether the options fulfilled > your expectations. thanks, according to my CD-player apparently you did a good job, the pregaps seem to be just like they should :-) Alas, I just encountered another problem, which does not belong into this thread though (I am afraid I might finally have to buy me a new drive :) Thanks again, and best regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on. -- Kirk, "A Taste of Armageddon", stardate 3193.9
Re: cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
Hi, Michael Lange wrote: > cdrskin -v -dummy -eject dev=/dev/sr0 -sao speed=10 track1.wav \ > sao_pregap=75 track2wav sao_pregap=225 track3.wav track4.wav > > Is my assumption correct that this will add a 1-second pregap before > track2 and a 3-second pregap before track3 and no pregap before track4? I hope so. :)) This stuff was implemented and tested in 2012. But there was few feedback from users since then. Bit rot is always a risk in such situations. (Last was in 2019 and caused libburn 1.5.0-1+deb10u1.) You will have to invest a real medium (CD-RW would avoid plastic waste) and then check with the actual CD players whether the options fulfilled your expectations. -- If they do not what we expect, then please re-run cdrskin with additional option -V and redirect standard error to a file. Like: cdrskin -V -v ... track4.wav 2>&1 | tee -i /tmp/cdrskin_scsi_log If you only have CD-R, then use option -dummy. If you have a CD-RW it would be better to see the SCSI command log of a real burn run. Send file /tmp/cdrskin_scsi_log to my mail address directly. No need to clog the list with a large file that mostly contains boring bytes. The main objects of interest will be the MODE SELECT command with the Mode Page 5 data and the SEND CUE SHEET command with the cue sheet data. Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
Hi, On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 12:26:46 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > Hi, > > Michael Lange wrote: > > > https://web.archive.org/web/20151223114027/http://digitalx.org/cue-sheet/ > > > cdrskin: FAILURE : In cue sheet file: Multiple occurrences of FILE > > Reco wrote: > > cdrskin(1) says: > > a *single file* which is given in the sheet by command FILE. > > Indeed. cdrskin expects a single FILE command in the CUE file. > That's how i have read the CDRWIN CUE descriptions years ago. > The above web page about cue-sheet says > "FILE commands must appear before any other command except CATALOG. >This rule contradicts the examples on this site: Note" thanks for pointing this out, looks like I should have read more carefully. (...) > > The case of a 1:1 relation between input files and tracks is served by > the cdrecord-ish style of submitting multiple track sources and the > non-cdrecord option input_sheet_v07t=. > See the man page of cdrskin for input_sheet_v07t= and the example > Write audio tracks and CD-TEXT to CD: Actually I had thought about that first, but wasn't able to find a way to add pregaps to the audio tracks, should I wish to do so. Now looking again I saw the sao_pregap command which might do exactly that (I'm not 100 per cent sure about its usage, though). I tried a dummy run with the following command: cdrskin -v -dummy -eject dev=/dev/sr0 -sao speed=10 track1.wav \ sao_pregap=75 track2wav sao_pregap=225 track3.wav track4.wav Is my assumption correct that this will add a 1-second pregap before track2 and a 3-second pregap before track3 and no pregap before track4? Or did I get that wrong? > > Further there is an example at > https://sources.debian.org/src/libburn/1.5.2-1/doc/cdtext.txt/#L600 Thanks, I'll look into that. Best regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. You! What PLANET is this! -- McCoy, "The City on the Edge of Forever", stardate 3134.0
Re: cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
Hi, i wrote: > > [SEND CUE SHEET] is supposed to be followed by a sequence of WRITE(10) > > commands which deliver the payload data as a single unstructured stream. The Wanderer wrote: > ...and that would, at least at a glance, seem to make it seem even > *more* like the term doesn't really fit the way it's being applied. According to MMC-6 of 2010 complaints about SCSI nomenclature should probably be sent to INCITS Secretariat National Committee for Information Technology Standards Information Technology Institute 1101 K Street NW, Suite 610 Washington DC 20005 The term slipped through the X3T10 Technical Committee in 1997 when they wrote MMC-1, the optical drive section of SCSI-3. Probably it stems from an earlier manufacturer-specific set of CD burner commands. Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
On 2021-06-23 at 07:02, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > The Wanderer wrote: > >> I have always intuitively understood the term "cue sheet" to be >> derived in some way from the context of stage and/or screen acting > > I think it stems from the name of the data structure by which the > layout of a SAO-Session is described to the drive by the SCSI command > SEND CUE SHEET. That would just push the question of where the name came from back and up one level, then... > It is supposed to be followed by a sequence of WRITE(10) commands > which deliver the payload data as a single unstructured stream. ...and that would, at least at a glance, seem to make it seem even *more* like the term doesn't really fit the way it's being applied. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
Hi, The Wanderer wrote: > I have always intuitively understood the term "cue sheet" to be derived > in some way from the context of stage and/or screen acting I think it stems from the name of the data structure by which the layout of a SAO-Session is described to the drive by the SCSI command SEND CUE SHEET. It is supposed to be followed by a sequence of WRITE(10) commands which deliver the payload data as a single unstructured stream. Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
On 2021-06-23 at 06:26, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Michael Lange wrote: >> > https://web.archive.org/web/20151223114027/http://digitalx.org/cue-sheet/ >> > cdrskin: FAILURE : In cue sheet file: Multiple occurrences of FILE > > Reco wrote: >> cdrskin(1) says: >> a *single file* which is given in the sheet by command FILE. > > Indeed. cdrskin expects a single FILE command in the CUE file. > That's how i have read the CDRWIN CUE descriptions years ago. That strikes me as intuitively wrong, just based on terminology. I have always intuitively understood the term "cue sheet" to be derived in some way from the context of stage and/or screen acting, and to refer to a list of items which are to be cued up and the order in and timing with which they are to be so cued up. That necessarily implies not only the possibility of having multiple items in the list, but indeed that it probably would not usually make sense to bother with the sheet if there were only going to be one item. https://www.ascap.com/news-events/articles/2005/cuesheets seems to, at least approximately, back up that conception. I have never (that I recall) encountered cdrskin prior to reading this thread, but if I had encountered a program that limited cue sheets to having only one entry, I would have immediately considered that a definitional bug - quite possibly on the design level. If a "cue sheet" in an optical-media-creation context is indeed supposed to be limited to only one item, then I severely question the choice of that term (by whoever made that choice, all those years ago). -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
Hi, Michael Lange wrote: > > https://web.archive.org/web/20151223114027/http://digitalx.org/cue-sheet/ > > cdrskin: FAILURE : In cue sheet file: Multiple occurrences of FILE Reco wrote: > cdrskin(1) says: > a *single file* which is given in the sheet by command FILE. Indeed. cdrskin expects a single FILE command in the CUE file. That's how i have read the CDRWIN CUE descriptions years ago. The above web page about cue-sheet says "FILE commands must appear before any other command except CATALOG. This rule contradicts the examples on this site: Note" The plural of "commands" might mean that more than one FILE command is allowed, which the CUE file interpreter shall concatenate. cdrskin does not do that. But the same effect can be achieved by following Reco's proposal to concatenate the files before the cdrskin run. > > is there any reference how to set up a cue sheet for cdrskin Besides the man page text about option cuefile= with its list of supported CUE file commands, there is https://sources.debian.org/src/libburn/1.5.2-1/doc/cdtext.txt/#L650 -- The intention of supporting CUE files in cdrskin was to handle the case of a single input data file and multiple tracks. The case of a 1:1 relation between input files and tracks is served by the cdrecord-ish style of submitting multiple track sources and the non-cdrecord option input_sheet_v07t=. See the man page of cdrskin for input_sheet_v07t= and the example Write audio tracks and CD-TEXT to CD: Further there is an example at https://sources.debian.org/src/libburn/1.5.2-1/doc/cdtext.txt/#L600 Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
Hi. On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:09:29AM +0200, Michael Lange wrote: > According to that digitalx.org page this looks "legal" to me, however > it does not work, instead I get the following eror: > > cdrskin: FAILURE : In cue sheet file: Multiple occurrences of FILE cdrskin(1) says: cuefile=path Read a session description from a cue sheet file in CDRWIN format. Base the tracks on a *single file* which is given in the sheet by command FILE. > So my question is: > is there any reference how to set up a cue sheet for cdrskin that shows > how it should be done, or is this simply not possible using a cuefile? Your best option is to merge your files into one big file and to produce an appropriate .cue for that file. Reco
cdrskin: burn cdda with cue sheet file
Hi, I am trying to burn a bunch of WAV files onto an audio CD with cdrskin using a cue-file. The only reference about how to create these files I could find is at https://web.archive.org/web/20151223114027/http://digitalx.org/cue-sheet/ where under "Examples" example no. 3 shows how to create a cue file with multiple source files. So for testing I tried a cue file with the following contents: PERFORMER "Unbekannter Interpret" TITLE "Unbekanntes Album" FILE "/home/klappnase/Musik/Japan/Barbara/Barbarous Virginity/01 Can! Can! Can!.wav" WAVE TRACK 01 AUDIO PERFORMER "Unbekannter Interpret" TITLE "01 Can! Can! Can!" INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "/home/klappnase/Musik/Japan/Barbara/Barbarous Virginity/02 Life in Heaven.wav" WAVE TRACK 02 AUDIO PERFORMER "Unbekannter Interpret" TITLE "02 Life in Heaven" INDEX 01 00:00:00 FILE "/home/klappnase/Musik/Japan/Barbara/Barbarous Virginity/03 Dest.wav" WAVE TRACK 03 AUDIO PERFORMER "Unbekannter Interpret" TITLE "03 Dest" INDEX 01 00:00:00 According to that digitalx.org page this looks "legal" to me, however it does not work, instead I get the following eror: cdrskin: FAILURE : In cue sheet file: Multiple occurrences of FILE So my question is: is there any reference how to set up a cue sheet for cdrskin that shows how it should be done, or is this simply not possible using a cuefile? Thanks in advance, and best regards Michael .-.. .. ...- . .-.. --- -. --. .- -. -.. .--. .-. --- ... .--. . .-. Our missions are peaceful -- not for conquest. When we do battle, it is only because we have no choice. -- Kirk, "The Squire of Gothos", stardate 2124.5
