Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-24 Thread Brian
On Sat 23 Jun 2012 at 08:54:47 +, Camaleón wrote:

 I'm using the Symbol TrueType font that came by default along with 
 Windows XP¹, I can send you the file if you want to play with it.

Thank you for the offer. I managed to get it from elsewhere.


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-23 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 19:58:04 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 17:42:26 +, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

  I wonder whether it is. His has Copyright URW Software, Copyright
  1997 by URW in the file.
 
 What file? You mean the .ttf font? :-?
 
 Of course.
 
 When I open symbol.ttf from MC I see The Monotype Corporation
 plc/Time Solutions Inc. 1990-1992. All Rights ReservedSymbolRegular...
 blah, blah
 
 You have a different file from Paul then.

Yes, that's what I said. We've got a problem with the same font 
(symbol.ttf) but the file comes from a different manufacturer, so to 
speak.

  This font is menace on a Debian system. As both of you have found out
  it needs to be put somewhere where fontconfig does not look.
  Examining it with fontforge reveals the unicode values for the glyphs
  are incorrect. Not that the GPL version of the same font in wine has
  anything to boast about - it too suffers from an identical defect.
 
 Well, as I already explained, the same TrueType font works well in
 Wheezy so to my eyes is not the font that is a menace but a bug located
 elsewhere in both Squeeze and Lenny :-)
 
 Where can we download this file to test?

I'm using the Symbol TrueType font that came by default along with 
Windows XP¹, I can send you the file if you want to play with it.

¹http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fonts/winxp.htm

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-23 Thread Paul Seyfert
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Hi,

 
 Where can we download this file to test?
 
 

my version can be obtained via svn:

URL: https://root.cern.ch/svn/root/tags/v5-30-04/fonts

Cheers,
Paul
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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-23 Thread Camaleón
On Sat, 23 Jun 2012 08:54:47 +, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

 Well, as I already explained, the same TrueType font works well in
 Wheezy so to my eyes is not the font that is a menace but a bug
 located elsewhere in both Squeeze and Lenny :-)

Mmm... after running more tests in Wheezy I realized that *any* of the 
symbol.ttf fonts I've tested (Paul's and mine) are failing to render the 
PDF. 

What happened is that I forgot to remove the ~/.fonts.conf when I was 
doing the first tests and instead rendering Symbol it was being replaced 
with a different font, that's why I thought in Wheezy was working fine. 

After removing ~/.fonts.conf and having the MS (or URW) symbol.ttf 
under /usr/local/share/fonts the sample PDF is still showing the wrong 
characters.

 Where can we download this file to test?
 
 I'm using the Symbol TrueType font that came by default along with
 Windows XP¹, I can send you the file if you want to play with it.

And here it comes another recent discovery I've made that points to a 
glyphs problem... if I open the sample PDF file (Fig5.pdf) with a text 
editor (mcedit Fig5.pdf), scroll down to line #134 and add the following 
(#135):

#134 /BaseFont /Symbol
#135 /Encoding /MacRomanEncoding  this line

Save the document and open again with a PDF reader, et voilà, the 
characters are properly displayed. So what can be happening after all is 
that the symbol.ttf fonts we are using lack for the required glyphs to 
render a specific set of the encoded characters but not all.

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-22 Thread Paul Seyfert
Okay,
I don't precisely know what fixed it but now the font is correctly
displayed for me. deleting files from /usr/share/fonts/ somewhat brought
unreproducible results. I started font-manager (which I believed to be
inactive since I commented out the corresponding entries in
~/.fonts.conf). In debuging earlier I added the symbol.ttf which comes
with cernroot to the user fonts of the font-manager (didn't help back then).
Now I removed symbol.ttf from the font manager and restored
/usr/share/fonts to how my standard package installation prepared it.
Now the plot gets displayed correctly.

my conclusion:
- no idea what went wrong before I installed font-manager
- symbol.ttf which comes with cernroot is behaving strangely
  using it for displaying causes wrong displaying of non embedded greek
  letters.
- if you create pdfs always embed fonts
- I learned the gs command to repair pdfs.
- ttf files not only help displaying fonts, they can also break it.

Thanks for all suggestions,
Paul


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-22 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:48:23 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:

 Okay,
 I don't precisely know what fixed it but now the font is correctly
 displayed for me. deleting files from /usr/share/fonts/ somewhat brought
 unreproducible results. 

You deleted all the fonts under /usr/share/fonts/ path? :-?

 I started font-manager (which I believed to be inactive since I
 commented out the corresponding entries in ~/.fonts.conf). In debuging
 earlier I added the symbol.ttf which comes with cernroot to the user
 fonts of the font-manager (didn't help back then). Now I removed
 symbol.ttf from the font manager and restored /usr/share/fonts to how
 my standard package installation prepared it. Now the plot gets
 displayed correctly.

Not sure about the steps you did but what solved the problem for me was 
renaming/moving MS TrueType Symbol font from /usr/local/share/fonts/ 
thus forcing the system to use another one.

 my conclusion:
 - no idea what went wrong before I installed font-manager 

I don't think this is something related to font-manager :-?

 - symbol.ttf which comes with cernroot is behaving strangely
   using it for displaying causes wrong displaying of non embedded greek
   letters.

The behaviour you get is similar to mine, despite in my case the source 
of the symbol font was different than yours.

 - if you create pdfs always embed fonts 

Always, always, always... some recommendations are good in theory but not 
that good when you put in practice :-P

- I learned the gs command to repair pdfs. 

By reinjecting/embedding the fonts, that's indeed a good trick when you 
have no access to the original document.

- ttf files not only help displaying fonts, they can also break it.

This is not because of TTF but a bug coming from a different place (in 
wheezy the problem is not present even using symbol.ttf).

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 16:11:49 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:48:23 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:
 
  - symbol.ttf which comes with cernroot is behaving strangely
using it for displaying causes wrong displaying of non embedded greek
letters.
 
 The behaviour you get is similar to mine, despite in my case the source 
 of the symbol font was different than yours.

I wonder whether it is. His has Copyright URW Software, Copyright 1997
by URW in the file.

This font is menace on a Debian system. As both of you have found out it
needs to be put somewhere where fontconfig does not look. Examining it
with fontforge reveals the unicode values for the glyphs are incorrect.
Not that the GPL version of the same font in wine has anything to boast
about - it too suffers from an identical defect.


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-22 Thread Camaleón
On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:25:55 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 16:11:49 +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:48:23 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:
 
  - symbol.ttf which comes with cernroot is behaving strangely
using it for displaying causes wrong displaying of non embedded
greek letters.
 
 The behaviour you get is similar to mine, despite in my case the source
 of the symbol font was different than yours.
 
 I wonder whether it is. His has Copyright URW Software, Copyright 1997
 by URW in the file.

What file? You mean the .ttf font? :-?

When I open symbol.ttf from MC I see The Monotype Corporation plc/Time 
Solutions Inc. 1990-1992. All Rights ReservedSymbolRegular... blah, blah

 This font is menace on a Debian system. As both of you have found out
 it needs to be put somewhere where fontconfig does not look. Examining
 it with fontforge reveals the unicode values for the glyphs are 
 incorrect. Not that the GPL version of the same font in wine has
 anything to boast about - it too suffers from an identical defect.

Well, as I already explained, the same TrueType font works well in Wheezy 
so to my eyes is not the font that is a menace but a bug located 
elsewhere in both Squeeze and Lenny :-)

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-22 Thread Paul Seyfert
Hi,

 
 You deleted all the fonts under /usr/share/fonts/ path? :-?

no, I did as was suggested by brian (keep the X fonts and gsfonts)

 
 - ttf files not only help displaying fonts, they can also break it.
 
 This is not because of TTF but a bug coming from a different place (in 
 wheezy the problem is not present even using symbol.ttf).
 

strange...

cheers,
Paul


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 17:42:26 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 18:25:55 +0100, Brian wrote:
 
  On Fri 22 Jun 2012 at 16:11:49 +, Camaleón wrote:
  
  On Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:48:23 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:
  
   - symbol.ttf which comes with cernroot is behaving strangely
 using it for displaying causes wrong displaying of non embedded
 greek letters.
  
  The behaviour you get is similar to mine, despite in my case the source
  of the symbol font was different than yours.
  
  I wonder whether it is. His has Copyright URW Software, Copyright 1997
  by URW in the file.
 
 What file? You mean the .ttf font? :-?

Of course.

 When I open symbol.ttf from MC I see The Monotype Corporation plc/Time 
 Solutions Inc. 1990-1992. All Rights ReservedSymbolRegular... blah, blah

You have a different file from Paul then.

  This font is menace on a Debian system. As both of you have found out
  it needs to be put somewhere where fontconfig does not look. Examining
  it with fontforge reveals the unicode values for the glyphs are 
  incorrect. Not that the GPL version of the same font in wine has
  anything to boast about - it too suffers from an identical defect.
 
 Well, as I already explained, the same TrueType font works well in Wheezy 
 so to my eyes is not the font that is a menace but a bug located 
 elsewhere in both Squeeze and Lenny :-)

Where can we download this file to test?


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-12 Thread Camaleón
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 01:10:59 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Mon 11 Jun 2012 at 20:59:23 +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:14:09 +0100, Brian wrote:

 As I have described I have no problem seeing the pdf as its maker
 intended.
  
 Neither I have it in wheezy but in lenny the two sample PDF files
 render with the wrong character. In both systems I have symbol.ttf
 installed under the same path (/usr/local/share/fonts/*.ttf).
 
 The only symbol.ttf I can find in Wheezy at
 
http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages
 
 is in the libwine package. Is that the correct file? I hope so, because
 I went to a lot of trouble to download and install it. :)

I hope you did not install libwine just to test this (you can download 
the .deb file and grabb only the required file).

I'm using the original Windows TrueType fonts (what I always do is copy/
paste the fonts from my Windows machine to my Linux systems) but well, 
for our purpose we can expect that both symbol.ttf files (libwine and 
windows) are the same :-)

 Bad news: libwine has symbol.ttf in /usr/share/wine/fonts and the OP's
 pdf displays mu, as it should.
 
 Good news (maybe): moving symbol.ttf to /usr/share/fonts reproduces the
 OP's problem - mu is displayed as a proportionality symbol.

For this I can't tell, the OP will have to confirm.

 I may as well throw in something I came across earlier today:
 
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=700729

I experience the same problem with the mentioned PDF in the above bug 
(using lenny and the windows symbol.ttf font by default).

 But this is a different distribution and, in any case, the location of
 the Debian wine fonts doesn't affect the pdf. The OP needs to move files
 out of the fonts directory to isolate the cause. 

Yes, I would start from there: moving symbol.ttf (if present) or 
listing all the symbol fonts he has in the system and placing them in a 
different place other than the usual, one by one and testing each time.

 Either that or, as a way of working round it, use mupdf, which has the
 fonts compliled into the binary.

Then mu does the same as Acrobat Raeder: it uses its own fonts.

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-11 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:36:38 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:44:12 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:
 
 On 10.06.2012 17:27, Camaleón wrote:

(...) 

 I wonder if the *Dingbats is the real problem here. If you had access to
 the original document you can ensure the symbols that display wrongly
 are infact using the ZapfDingbats fonts. I think so but is just to be
 sure.

Okay, I finally figured out what was the problem: it's not the 
ZapfDingbats font but Symbol that makes a difference.

When I add this chunk of text into my ~/.fonts.conf file, the PDF is 
rendered correctly:

?xml version=1.0?
!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd
fontconfig
alias binding=same
familySymbol/family
preferfamilyDejaVu Serif/family/prefer
/alias
/fontconfig

DejaVu Serif font can be replaced by another one.

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-11 Thread Paul Seyfert
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On 11.06.2012 18:45, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 20:36:38 +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:44:12 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:
 
 On 10.06.2012 17:27, Camaleón wrote:
(...)
 
 Okay, I finally figured out what was the problem: it's not the 
 ZapfDingbats font but Symbol that makes a difference.
 
 When I add this chunk of text into my ~/.fonts.conf file, the PDF
 is rendered correctly:
 
 ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd 
 fontconfig alias binding=same familySymbol/family 
 preferfamilyDejaVu Serif/family/prefer /alias 
 /fontconfig
 
 DejaVu Serif font can be replaced by another one.
 

Indeed, I can confirm that.

DejaVu Serif however doesn't look like symbol.
Does anyone know which font is used in the repair suggested by Brian:


http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10277418/the-pdf-viewer-evince-on-linux-can-not-display-some-math-symbols-correctly

I would aim for looks as it's supposed to look (no matter whether
DejaVu looks better or not).

Cheers,
Paul

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-11 Thread Brian
On Mon 11 Jun 2012 at 19:06:35 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:

 On 11.06.2012 18:45, Camaleón wrote:
  
  Okay, I finally figured out what was the problem: it's not the 
  ZapfDingbats font but Symbol that makes a difference.
  
  When I add this chunk of text into my ~/.fonts.conf file, the PDF
  is rendered correctly:
  
  ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd 
  fontconfig alias binding=same familySymbol/family 
  preferfamilyDejaVu Serif/family/prefer /alias 
  /fontconfig
  
  DejaVu Serif font can be replaced by another one.
  
 
 Indeed, I can confirm that.
 
 DejaVu Serif however doesn't look like symbol.

It is not likely to. How does pi turn out? And all the other Greek
letters used in maths?

 Does anyone know which font is used in the repair suggested by Brian:
 
 
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10277418/the-pdf-viewer-evince-on-linux-can-not-display-some-math-symbols-correctly
 
 I would aim for looks as it's supposed to look (no matter whether
 DejaVu looks better or not).

May I suggest this? Move all the font directories in /usr/share/fonts
out of the way. It's probably best to do this in a virtual terminal. To
get anything readable back in X the X11 and opentype directories will
have to put back. Now restore /usr/share/type1/gsfonts and see what your
pdf looks like with xpdf and evince. mupdf doesn't use the fonts in
/usr/share/fonts so it will tell you nothing.


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-11 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:06:35 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:

 On 11.06.2012 18:45, Camaleón wrote:

 Okay, I finally figured out what was the problem: it's not the
 ZapfDingbats font but Symbol that makes a difference.
 
 When I add this chunk of text into my ~/.fonts.conf file, the PDF is
 rendered correctly:
 
 ?xml version=1.0? !DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM fonts.dtd
 fontconfig alias binding=same familySymbol/family
 preferfamilyDejaVu Serif/family/prefer /alias /fontconfig
 
 DejaVu Serif font can be replaced by another one.
 
 
 Indeed, I can confirm that.
 
 DejaVu Serif however doesn't look like symbol. Does anyone know which
 font is used in the repair suggested by Brian:
 
 
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10277418/the-pdf-viewer-evince-on-linux-can-not-display-some-math-symbols-correctly

The font is Symbol and the PDF mentioned there exposes the same problem 
as yours. Obviuosly, embedding the font bypasses the issue.

It seems to me that the Symbol font itself has some sort of problem: when 
it is referenced (linked) it's badly rendered, when embedded is named
as SymbolMT... Mmm... 

These are my available symbols fonts:

sm01@stt008:~$ locate fonts | grep -i symbol
/usr/local/share/fonts/symbol.ttf
/usr/share/cups/fonts/Symbol
/usr/share/fonts/X11/encodings/adobe-symbol.enc.gz
/usr/share/xulrunner-1.9/res/fonts/mathfontStandardSymbolsL.properties

I hope the system is using symbol.ttf as the default but I can't tell.

 I would aim for looks as it's supposed to look (no matter whether
 DejaVu looks better or not).

In brief, that you want a real Symbol and not imitations nor substitutes ;-)

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-11 Thread Brian
On Mon 11 Jun 2012 at 17:57:32 +, Camaleón wrote:

 It seems to me that the Symbol font itself has some sort of problem: when 
 it is referenced (linked) it's badly rendered, when embedded is named
 as SymbolMT... Mmm... 

As I have described I have no problem seeing the pdf as its maker
intended. The only fonts on the system being used are the X11 fonts,
freefont and dejavu (both ttf) and gsfonts. So the Symbol font files
from gsfonts have no problem with the pdf.


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-11 Thread Camaleón
On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:14:09 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Mon 11 Jun 2012 at 17:57:32 +, Camaleón wrote:
 
 It seems to me that the Symbol font itself has some sort of problem:
 when it is referenced (linked) it's badly rendered, when embedded is
 named as SymbolMT... Mmm...
 
 As I have described I have no problem seeing the pdf as its maker
 intended. 

Neither I have it in wheezy but in lenny the two sample PDF files render 
with the wrong character. In both systems I have symbol.ttf installed 
under the same path (/usr/local/share/fonts/*.ttf).

 The only fonts on the system being used are the X11 fonts, freefont and
 dejavu (both ttf) and gsfonts. So the Symbol font files from gsfonts
 have no problem with the pdf.

Neither I have it in Lenny with stock fonts.

I mean, moving symbol.ttf to a different place so it's not detected by 
the system makes PDFs appear okay. That means there has to be a problem 
with fontconfig or freetype packages in lenny and this specific truetype 
font as the others don't present this problem.

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-11 Thread Brian
On Mon 11 Jun 2012 at 20:59:23 +, Camaleón wrote:

 On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 19:14:09 +0100, Brian wrote:

 As I have described I have no problem seeing the pdf as its maker
 intended.
 
 Neither I have it in wheezy but in lenny the two sample PDF files render 
 with the wrong character. In both systems I have symbol.ttf installed 
 under the same path (/usr/local/share/fonts/*.ttf).

The only symbol.ttf I can find in Wheezy at

   http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

is in the libwine package. Is that the correct file? I hope so, because
I went to a lot of trouble to download and install it. :)

Bad news: libwine has symbol.ttf in /usr/share/wine/fonts and the OP's
pdf displays mu, as it should.

Good news (maybe): moving symbol.ttf to /usr/share/fonts reproduces the
OP's problem - mu is displayed as a proportionality symbol.

I may as well throw in something I came across earlier today:

   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=700729

But this is a different distribution and, in any case, the location of
the Debian wine fonts doesn't affect the pdf. The OP needs to move files
out of the fonts directory to isolate the cause. Either that or, as a
way of working round it, use mupdf, which has the fonts compliled into
the binary.


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fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Paul Seyfert
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Dear all,

I have created an eps file with cern root and converted it with
epstopdf to pdf.
http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/Fig5.pdf
I then look at the result in evince
http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/fonts.png (right)
for reference it should look like the one displayed by acroread (left).
as you see the mu are displayed wrongly (pi as well, I didn't go
further through the symbols and letters).
Apparently root does not embed the fonts it uses into the eps file -
which is a problem on its own which I don't want to address here.

I'm using debian testing and have already quite some font packages
installed. Moreover on a colleague's computer running ubuntu the file
is displayed by evince correctly and we compared the packages listed
in synaptic under fonts and we have the same (except for a package
called ubuntu-fonts or similar) packages installed (certainly not the
same versions but the same package names).

As a brute force test I backuped my /usr/share/fonts directory and
replaced it by the ubuntu /usr/share/fonts. After a reboot my evince
still didn't display the mu correctly. I then removed the ubuntu
/usr/share/fonts again and restored my backup.

Is evince at all using fonts from /usr/share/fonts? (if not, where
should I start searching for the missing font)
Do you have recommendations what to do to get the plot correctly
displayed in evince?

If it helps, see the output of pdffonts on that pdf file below.

Thanks in advance,
Paul



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name type  emb sub uni
object ID
-  - --- --- ---
- -
Times-Italic Type 1no  no  no
  7  0
Times-Bold   Type 1no  no  no
  8  0
Times-BoldItalic Type 1no  no  no
  9  0
HelveticaType 1no  no  no
 10  0
Helvetica-ObliqueType 1no  no  no
 11  0
Helvetica-Bold   Type 1no  no  no
 12  0
Helvetica-BoldObliqueType 1no  no  no
 13  0
Courier  Type 1no  no  no
 14  0
Courier-Oblique  Type 1no  no  no
 15  0
Courier-Bold Type 1no  no  no
 16  0
Courier-BoldOblique  Type 1no  no  no
 17  0
Symbol   Type 1no  no  no
 18  0
Times-Roman  Type 1no  no  no
 19  0
ZapfDingbats Type 1no  no  no
 20  0
Symbol   Type 1no  no  no
 21  0
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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:32:27 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:

 I have created an eps file with cern root and converted it with epstopdf
 to pdf.
 http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/Fig5.pdf I then look at
 the result in evince
 http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/fonts.png (right) for
 reference it should look like the one displayed by acroread (left). as
 you see the mu are displayed wrongly (pi as well, I didn't go further
 through the symbols and letters). Apparently root does not embed the
 fonts it uses into the eps file - which is a problem on its own which I
 don't want to address here.

(...)

Not embedding the fonts is a problem if you are planing to redistribute a 
document that uses mathematical symbols. In such cases, is better to include 
the fonts in the document although doing so will increase the resulting file 
size.

I also get the wrong characters (infinite symbol ∞ instead micro µ) in 
Evince.

 name type  emb sub uni object ID
(...)
 ZapfDingbats Type 1no  no  no  20  0

The only tipography I don't have installed in my system is ZapfDingbats 
and this font is included within Acrobat Reader. This can be problem here.

Tip: if you don't want to embed the fonts, try using unicode symbols 
instead using specific font foundries.

 Is evince at all using fonts from /usr/share/fonts? (if not, where
 should I start searching for the missing font) Do you have
 recommendations what to do to get the plot correctly displayed in
 evince?

Evince should use the available font paths which are defined in 
/etc/fonts/fonts.conf. You can be hitting:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21395#c6

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Siard
Paul Seyfert wrote:
 I have created an eps file with cern root and converted it with
 epstopdf to pdf.
 http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/Fig5.pdf
 I then look at the result in evince
 http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/fonts.png (right)
 for reference it should look like the one displayed by acroread
 (left). as you see the mu are displayed wrongly

AFAICS, the Symbol font is missing on your computer.
The best thing you can do is: install package xfonts-mathml.
It provides the Symbol font.


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Paul Seyfert
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On 10.06.2012 19:44, Siard wrote:
 Paul Seyfert wrote:
 I have created an eps file with cern root and converted it with 
 epstopdf to pdf. 
 http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/Fig5.pdf I then
 look at the result in evince 
 http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/fonts.png
 (right) for reference it should look like the one displayed by
 acroread (left). as you see the mu are displayed wrongly
 
 AFAICS, the Symbol font is missing on your computer. The best thing
 you can do is: install package xfonts-mathml. It provides the
 Symbol font.
 
 

is already installed.

to make it short, I think these are the most relevant packages I have
installed:

$ dpkg --get-selections | grep install | grep fonts | sed s/\tinstall//
acroread-fonts-jpn  
fonts-comfortaa 
fonts-droid 
fonts-freefont-otf  
fonts-freefont-ttf  
fonts-gfs-artemisia 
fonts-gfs-baskerville   
fonts-gfs-complutum 
fonts-gfs-didot 
fonts-gfs-neohellenic   
fonts-gfs-olga  
fonts-gfs-porson
fonts-gfs-solomos   
fonts-inconsolata   
fonts-junicode  
fonts-liberation
fonts-linuxlibertine
fonts-lyx   
fonts-oflb-asana-math   
fonts-opendin   
fonts-opensymbol
fonts-sil-gentium   
fonts-sil-gentium-basic 
fonts-unfonts-core  
fonts-unfonts-extra 
fonts-uralic
fonts-vlgothic  
gsfonts 
gsfonts-x11 
texlive-fonts-extra 
texlive-fonts-extra-doc 
texlive-fonts-recommended   
texlive-fonts-recommended-doc   
ttf-mscorefonts-installer   
ttf-unfonts-core
ttf-unfonts-extra   
xfonts-100dpi   
xfonts-75dpi
xfonts-base 
xfonts-encodings
xfonts-mathml   
xfonts-scalable 
xfonts-utils

$ dpkg --get-selections | grep install | grep ttf | grep -v fonts |
sed s/\tinstall//
libsdl-ttf2.0-0:amd64   
ttf-dejavu  
ttf-dejavu-core 
ttf-dejavu-extra
ttf-freefont
ttf-liberation  
ttf-linux-libertine 
ttf-lyx 
ttf-marvosym
ttf-opendin 
ttf-opensymbol  
ttf-sazanami-gothic 
ttf-sil-gentium 
ttf-sil-gentium-basic   
ttf-unifont 
ttf-uralic

Cheers,
Paul
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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Paul Seyfert
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On 10.06.2012 17:27, Camaleón wrote:
 On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:32:27 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:
 
 I have created an eps file with cern root and converted it with 
 epstopdf to pdf. 
 http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/Fig5.pdf I then 
 look at the result in evince 
 http://mathphys.fsk.uni-heidelberg.de/~pseyfert/fonts.png
 (right) for reference it should look like the one displayed by
 acroread (left). as you see the mu are displayed wrongly (pi as
 well, I didn't go further through the symbols and letters).
 Apparently root does not embed the fonts it uses into the eps
 file - which is a problem on its own which I don't want to
 address here.
 
 (...)
 
 Not embedding the fonts is a problem if you are planing to 
 redistribute a document that uses mathematical symbols. In such 
 cases, is better to include the fonts in the document although 
 doing so will increase the resulting file size.

actually I have no idea how to tell cernroot to embed fonts. anyhow i
definitely cannot force all other root users to always embed fonts. So
even if I embed fonts the problem will reappear when I get files from
collaborators.

 
 I also get the wrong characters (infinite symbol ∞ instead micro 
 µ) in Evince.
 
 name type  emb sub 
 uni object ID
 (...)
 ZapfDingbats Type 1no  no
 no 20  0
 
 The only tipography I don't have installed in my system is 
 ZapfDingbats and this font is included within Acrobat Reader. 
 This can be problem here.

okay. do you know where I could get it from?
is there a package with ZapfDingbats or can I get it from the acroread
directories?

something else which came to my mind: is there a way to tell a missing
font from having a wrong font?

 
 Tip: if you don't want to embed the fonts, try using unicode 
 symbols instead using specific font foundries.

hm, this I could try. But again that would only fix the creation part of
the pdf files. I'm more focussed on the displaying part of the problem.
i.e. I want to be able to display this specific type of fontless pdf
with exactly the fonts used in there (official collaboration style /
corporate design / ...).

 
 Is evince at all using fonts from /usr/share/fonts? (if not, 
 where should I start searching for the missing font) Do you have
  recommendations what to do to get the plot correctly displayed 
 in evince?
 
 Evince should use the available font paths which are defined in 
 /etc/fonts/fonts.conf. You can be hitting:

the fonts.conf on the debian machine (where evince doesn't find the
font) and the ubuntu machine (where evince finds the font) are
identical. however I'm still searching for something conclusive in the
included conf.d directories. all entries with zapf are the same on
both systems.

 
 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21395#c6

This fix is already in my fonts.conf


Cheers,
Paul
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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Siard
Paul Seyfert wrote:
 to make it short, I think these are the most relevant packages I have
 installed:
 
 $ dpkg --get-selections | grep install | grep fonts | sed s/\tinstall// 
 
 ...   
 ...   

 $ dpkg --get-selections | grep install | grep ttf | grep -v fonts | sed 
 s/\tinstall//
 ...   
 ...

Your pdf displays correctly in evince 3.4.0 here. (Wheezy)
The only fonts I have installed that are not in this list, and which
may be of any relevance, are:

xfonts-intl-european
xfonts-100dpi-transcoded
xfonts-75dpi-transcoded


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Camaleón
On Sun, 10 Jun 2012 19:44:12 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:

 On 10.06.2012 17:27, Camaleón wrote:
 
 Not embedding the fonts is a problem if you are planing to redistribute
 a document that uses mathematical symbols. In such cases, is better to
 include the fonts in the document although doing so will increase the
 resulting file size.
 
 actually I have no idea how to tell cernroot to embed fonts. anyhow i
 definitely cannot force all other root users to always embed fonts. So
 even if I embed fonts the problem will reappear when I get files from
 collaborators.

I don't know about that application (cernroot) so I can't tell how to 
configure the output to force the fonts embedding. I know this can be 
done from GS tools (ps2pdf) or another dedicated PDF programs such pdftk, 
but what I use most is OOo Writer and exporting as PDF/A-1 which seems to 
force all the fonts are embedded in the resulting file.

 I also get the wrong characters (infinite symbol ∞ instead micro µ)
 in Evince.
 
 name type  emb sub uni
 object ID
 (...)
 ZapfDingbats Type 1no  no no 20  0
 
 The only tipography I don't have installed in my system is
 ZapfDingbats and this font is included within Acrobat Reader. This
 can be problem here.
 
 okay. do you know where I could get it from? is there a package with
 ZapfDingbats or can I get it from the acroread directories?

Some fonts are not for free (free → cost). Anyway, I already have 
Dingbats installed in my systems (I can see it available from OOo 
Writer). This font should be enough as a replacement.

 something else which came to my mind: is there a way to tell a missing
 font from having a wrong font?

Yes, it is explained in the bug report I pointed before.

 Tip: if you don't want to embed the fonts, try using unicode symbols
 instead using specific font foundries.
 
 hm, this I could try. But again that would only fix the creation part of
 the pdf files. I'm more focussed on the displaying part of the problem.
 i.e. I want to be able to display this specific type of fontless pdf
 with exactly the fonts used in there (official collaboration style /
 corporate design / ...).

Then you'll have to deal with a proper font substitution in your system.

 Evince should use the available font paths which are defined in
 /etc/fonts/fonts.conf. You can be hitting:
 
 the fonts.conf on the debian machine (where evince doesn't find the
 font) and the ubuntu machine (where evince finds the font) are
 identical. however I'm still searching for something conclusive in the
 included conf.d directories. all entries with zapf are the same on both
 systems.

I wonder if the *Dingbats is the real problem here. If you had access to 
the original document you can ensure the symbols that display wrongly are 
infact using the ZapfDingbats fonts. I think so but is just to be sure.

 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21395#c6
 
 This fix is already in my fonts.conf

You mean you already had a ~/.fonts.conf file created in your home 
profile with the required data on it? The bug recommends adding:

alias binding=same
   familyZapfDingbats/family
   acceptfamilyDingbats/family/accept
 /alias

Is that what you have and is not working? :-?

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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Brian
On Sun 10 Jun 2012 at 19:44:12 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:

 On 10.06.2012 17:27, Camaleón wrote:
  
  The only tipography I don't have installed in my system is 
  ZapfDingbats and this font is included within Acrobat Reader. 
  This can be problem here.
 
 okay. do you know where I could get it from?
 is there a package with ZapfDingbats or can I get it from the acroread
 directories?

Does ZapfDingbats contain Greek letters? You may be following the wrong
path if it does not.

 something else which came to my mind: is there a way to tell a missing
 font from having a wrong font?

It looks like your system plus evince has made a substitution for a
glyph. Have you tried viewing the pdf with xpdf and/or mupdf? Both of
these (and evince) display the mu correctly on my systems.

I was rather taken with this:

   
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10277418/the-pdf-viewer-evince-on-linux-can-not-display-some-math-symbols-correctly


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Paul Seyfert
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On 10.06.2012 21:04, Siard wrote:
 Paul Seyfert wrote:
 to make it short, I think these are the most relevant packages I
 have installed:
 
 $ dpkg --get-selections | grep install | grep fonts | sed
 s/\tinstall// ... ...
 
 $ dpkg --get-selections | grep install | grep ttf | grep -v fonts
 | sed s/\tinstall// ... ...
 
 Your pdf displays correctly in evince 3.4.0 here. (Wheezy) The only
 fonts I have installed that are not in this list, and which may be
 of any relevance, are:
 
 xfonts-intl-european xfonts-100dpi-transcoded 
 xfonts-75dpi-transcoded

same evince version. installing these didn't help.
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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Paul Seyfert

 
 something else which came to my mind: is there a way to tell a missing
 font from having a wrong font?
 
 It looks like your system plus evince has made a substitution for a
 glyph. Have you tried viewing the pdf with xpdf and/or mupdf? Both of
 these (and evince) display the mu correctly on my systems.
 
yeah, mupdf displays it correctly for me. (xpdf doesn't)

 I was rather taken with this:
 

 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10277418/the-pdf-viewer-evince-on-linux-can-not-display-some-math-symbols-correctly
 

and the repairing method presented here also works!

Thanks,
Paul


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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Paul Seyfert
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 something else which came to my mind: is there a way to tell a
 missing font from having a wrong font?
 
 It looks like your system plus evince has made a substitution for
 a glyph. Have you tried viewing the pdf with xpdf and/or mupdf?
 Both of these (and evince) display the mu correctly on my systems.
 
yeah, mupdf displays it correctly for me. (xpdf doesn't)

 I was rather taken with this:
 
 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10277418/the-pdf-viewer-evince-on-linux-can-not-display-some-math-symbols-correctly

 
and the repairing method presented here also works!

Thanks,
Paul
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Re: fonts used by evince

2012-06-10 Thread Brian
On Mon 11 Jun 2012 at 00:09:44 +0200, Paul Seyfert wrote:

  It looks like your system plus evince has made a substitution for a
  glyph. Have you tried viewing the pdf with xpdf and/or mupdf? Both of
  these (and evince) display the mu correctly on my systems.
  
 yeah, mupdf displays it correctly for me. (xpdf doesn't)

My xpdf is getting its fonts from the Type1 fonts in the gsfonts
directory. The files beginning with 's' contain maths symbols.  Evince
appears to be looking in the same place. What mupdf doing, I do not
know. You have gsfonts and gsfonts-x11 installed so what your xpdf is
getting up to is intriguing.


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