Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 5/26/23, zithro wrote:
> On 05 May 2023 18:07, Lee wrote:
>> On 5/4/23, zithro wrote:
>> I think you also need
>> user_pref("widget.gtk.overlay-scrollbars.enabled", false);
>>
>> and this is also nice
>> user_pref("widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override", 20);
>
> I tried them all, but now there's a simple GUI option (see my other post
> in this thread) ! \o/
yes, but
Settings -> General -> Browsing -> Always show scrollbars
shows a too-thin scrollbar with no up or down arrows at either end.
>> From there I can select the Chicago95 theme as any user and if there's
>> anything I don't like I can, once I figure out wtf needs to be changed
>> (which can be a non-trivial task for me), make the change.
>
> That was my point, wtf needs to be changed ?! ^^
That's why I picked the Chicago95 theme .. it was _real_ close to what I wanted.
Then again, I wanted different colors & I couldn't figure out how to
get everything changed the way I wanted so I went back to the default
:(
The changes I've got now are:
lee@spot ~/Templates/Chicago95-2.0.1/Theme
$ diff -u5 -r Chicago95 /usr/share/themes/Chicago95
Only in Chicago95: cinnamon
Only in Chicago95: gnome-shell
diff -u5 -r Chicago95/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
/usr/share/themes/Chicago95/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
--- Chicago95/gtk-3.0/settings.ini 2020-06-29 10:33:20.0 -0400
+++ /usr/share/themes/Chicago95/gtk-3.0/settings.ini2023-05-27
17:10:25.257049595 -0400
@@ -1,4 +1,14 @@
[Settings]
gtk-auto-mnemonics = 0
gtk-visible-focus = automatic
gtk-menu-images = true
+
+gtk-menu-popup-delay=0
+# LR: delay between pointing the mouse at a menu and that menu
opening (in milliseconds)
+
+gtk-primary-button-warps-slider = 0
+# LR: warp slider to click position (true) or move scrollbar by one
page (false)
+
+gtk-overlay-scrolling = 0
+# LR: 0: always show scrollbars 1: hide the scrollbar until a mouseover
+
Only in Chicago95: gtk-3.22
Only in Chicago95: gtk-3.24
Only in Chicago95: index.theme
Only in Chicago95: metacity-1
Only in Chicago95: misc
Only in Chicago95: xfwm4_hidpi
> I checked some themes in /usr/share/themes and ... well, I'll use my
> theme as it is !
I hope you've got a better set of themes than I have - I tried all of
them and didn't like any :(
Regards,
Lee
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 05 May 2023 18:07, Lee wrote:
On 5/4/23, zithro wrote:
I think you also need
user_pref("widget.gtk.overlay-scrollbars.enabled", false);
and this is also nice
user_pref("widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override", 20);
I tried them all, but now there's a simple GUI option (see my other post
in this thread) ! \o/
PS: no I won't write a theme ^^
But I may check how to edit one. You know how ?
I think vim is really nice :)
But that's probably not what you want to know
Ahah, indeed, but thanks for the laugh ^^
From there I can select the Chicago95 theme as any user and if there's
anything I don't like I can, once I figure out wtf needs to be changed
(which can be a non-trivial task for me), make the change.
That was my point, wtf needs to be changed ?! ^^
I checked some themes in /usr/share/themes and ... well, I'll use my
theme as it is !
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 25 Apr 2023 16:46, charlie derr wrote: Greetings fine free software people. A number of years ago, the little arrows at the top and bottom of the scrollbar to the right of my "message list" view in thunderbird (I'm currently using debian stable) disappeared [...] Any clue whether it's possible to regain that older (and for me, very useful!) functionality There is now the option in Firefox and Thunderbird to FORCE the display of scrolling bars ! Thunderbird : Settings -> General -> Scrolling -> Always show scrollbars Firefox : Settings -> General -> Browsing -> Always show scrollbars \o/
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 5/4/23, zithro wrote:
> On 04 May 2023 22:11, Dan Ritter wrote:
>> zithro wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, I'm currently using "Greybird-dark" (so not the default).
>>> But it seems there's no GUI to alter the theme itself.
>>
>>
>> Right, you have to select a different theme.
>>
>> Or write your own.
>>
>> -dsr-
>
> Well, I just tried half of the stock themes, and some themes show the
> arrows, some don't, but ... it depends on the applications !
>
> As the OP reported, neither Thunderbird nor Firefox display the arrows,
> whereas editors, xterm or file managers do ...
>
> So I guess the problem is REALLY in the Mozilla apps.
> I opened about:config in Firefox (didn't find it in TB), typed
> "scrollbar" and played with some settings.
> "widget.non-native-theme.gtk.scrollbar.allow-buttons" seemed promising,
> but has no effect, even with skins displaying the arrows in other apps.
I think you also need
user_pref("widget.gtk.overlay-scrollbars.enabled", false);
and this is also nice
user_pref("widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override", 20);
> From what I read it's a problem with GTK2/3.
>
> PS: no I won't write a theme ^^
> But I may check how to edit one. You know how ?
I think vim is really nice :)
But that's probably not what you want to know, so what I did was to
start with the release tarball from
https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95
unpack it into my home directory and
mv ~/Templates/Chicago95-2.0.1/Theme/Chicago95/gtk-2.0
/usr/share/themes/Chicago95/
mv ~/Templates/Chicago95-2.0.1/Theme/Chicago95/gtk-3.0
/usr/share/themes/Chicago95/
>From there I can select the Chicago95 theme as any user and if there's
anything I don't like I can, once I figure out wtf needs to be changed
(which can be a non-trivial task for me), make the change.
Regards,
Lee
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 05 May 2023 12:20, dmacdoug wrote: Well, it appears to me that all Mozilla products have the same problem and for Firefox there is a theme add on named "Custom Scollbars" made by Wesley Branton which allows to change the color of the scrollbar and to make limited changes to the width but does not restore the arrows. He has been asked about it and says that it is not possible to do more without changes by the developers. IIRC, it is a problem since the GTK2/GTK3 fix. If many users pile on a bug report maybe the devs would move ... This theme is not available for either Thunderbird or Filezilla and I can't find any theme for either of those which does anything similar. Filezilla can use mozilla themes ?
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On Thu, May 04, 2023 at 10:50:27PM +0200, zithro wrote: > On 04 May 2023 22:10, Dan Ritter wrote: > > zithro wrote: > > > On 04 May 2023 21:38, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > It's not hidden, it's part of the theme. You can install and > > > > change themes -- look for packages with the keyword gtk theme, > > > > and in XFCE's settings manager, it's under appearance/style. > > > > > > Well, I'm currently using "Greybird-dark" (so not the default). > > > But it seems there's no GUI to alter the theme itself. > > > > > > I looked in Appearance, Window Manager/Style, Window Manager/Advanced, > > > Window Manager/Tweaks and even in the Settings Editor (read almost all > > > keys/values), and found nowhere a possibility to alter the arrows. > > > Maybe I overlooked something ? > > > > It's under Appearance as "Style" for me. > > > > -dsr- > > Same, but I personaly find "Window Manager/Style" better, as it allows > changing a few settings. Well, it appears to me that all Mozilla products have the same problem and for Firefox there is a theme add on named "Custom Scollbars" made by Wesley Branton which allows to change the color of the scrollbar and to make limited changes to the width but does not restore the arrows. He has been asked about it and says that it is not possible to do more without changes by the developers. This theme is not available for either Thunderbird or Filezilla and I can't find any theme for either of those which does anything similar. Don
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 04 May 2023 22:10, Dan Ritter wrote: zithro wrote: On 04 May 2023 21:38, Dan Ritter wrote: It's not hidden, it's part of the theme. You can install and change themes -- look for packages with the keyword gtk theme, and in XFCE's settings manager, it's under appearance/style. Well, I'm currently using "Greybird-dark" (so not the default). But it seems there's no GUI to alter the theme itself. I looked in Appearance, Window Manager/Style, Window Manager/Advanced, Window Manager/Tweaks and even in the Settings Editor (read almost all keys/values), and found nowhere a possibility to alter the arrows. Maybe I overlooked something ? It's under Appearance as "Style" for me. -dsr- Same, but I personaly find "Window Manager/Style" better, as it allows changing a few settings.
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 04 May 2023 22:11, Dan Ritter wrote: zithro wrote: Well, I'm currently using "Greybird-dark" (so not the default). But it seems there's no GUI to alter the theme itself. Right, you have to select a different theme. Or write your own. -dsr- Well, I just tried half of the stock themes, and some themes show the arrows, some don't, but ... it depends on the applications ! As the OP reported, neither Thunderbird nor Firefox display the arrows, whereas editors, xterm or file managers do ... So I guess the problem is REALLY in the Mozilla apps. I opened about:config in Firefox (didn't find it in TB), typed "scrollbar" and played with some settings. "widget.non-native-theme.gtk.scrollbar.allow-buttons" seemed promising, but has no effect, even with skins displaying the arrows in other apps. From what I read it's a problem with GTK2/3. PS: no I won't write a theme ^^ But I may check how to edit one. You know how ?
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
zithro wrote: > > Well, I'm currently using "Greybird-dark" (so not the default). > But it seems there's no GUI to alter the theme itself. Right, you have to select a different theme. Or write your own. -dsr-
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
zithro wrote: > On 04 May 2023 21:38, Dan Ritter wrote: > > It's not hidden, it's part of the theme. You can install and > > change themes -- look for packages with the keyword gtk theme, > > and in XFCE's settings manager, it's under appearance/style. > > Well, I'm currently using "Greybird-dark" (so not the default). > But it seems there's no GUI to alter the theme itself. > > I looked in Appearance, Window Manager/Style, Window Manager/Advanced, > Window Manager/Tweaks and even in the Settings Editor (read almost all > keys/values), and found nowhere a possibility to alter the arrows. > Maybe I overlooked something ? It's under Appearance as "Style" for me. -dsr-
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
zithro wrote: > On 28 Apr 2023 00:58, dmacdoug wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 02:46:38PM +, charlie derr wrote: > > > A number of years ago, the little arrows at the top and bottom of the > > > scrollbar to the right of my "message list" view in thunderbird (I'm > > > currently using debian stable) disappeared. > > > [snip] > > > Or is it a desktop skin problem ? > > On XFCE too, there are no more "lil arrows" anywhere, just the bars. > Nothing in settings, even the manual ones. But maybe if you ask on the XFCE > forum, there is a hidden value to create ? It's not hidden, it's part of the theme. You can install and change themes -- look for packages with the keyword gtk theme, and in XFCE's settings manager, it's under appearance/style. -dsr-
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 04 May 2023 21:38, Dan Ritter wrote: zithro wrote: On 28 Apr 2023 00:58, dmacdoug wrote: On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 02:46:38PM +, charlie derr wrote: A number of years ago, the little arrows at the top and bottom of the scrollbar to the right of my "message list" view in thunderbird (I'm currently using debian stable) disappeared. [snip] Or is it a desktop skin problem ? On XFCE too, there are no more "lil arrows" anywhere, just the bars. Nothing in settings, even the manual ones. But maybe if you ask on the XFCE forum, there is a hidden value to create ? It's not hidden, it's part of the theme. You can install and change themes -- look for packages with the keyword gtk theme, and in XFCE's settings manager, it's under appearance/style. -dsr- Well, I'm currently using "Greybird-dark" (so not the default). But it seems there's no GUI to alter the theme itself. I looked in Appearance, Window Manager/Style, Window Manager/Advanced, Window Manager/Tweaks and even in the Settings Editor (read almost all keys/values), and found nowhere a possibility to alter the arrows. Maybe I overlooked something ? Also, if I remember correctly from previous searches, some settings are only available via "xfconf-query" (like deprecated or new ones).
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On 28 Apr 2023 00:58, dmacdoug wrote: On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 02:46:38PM +, charlie derr wrote: Greetings fine free software people. A number of years ago, the little arrows at the top and bottom of the scrollbar to the right of my "message list" view in thunderbird (I'm currently using debian stable) disappeared. [snip] I've been waiting and hoping you'd get an answer, because I have exactly the same problem and I haven't found a solution. [snip] I've been thinking of movng from T-bird to something else like Claws Mail to solve the problem but haven't gotten around to it since I usually use Mutt and only use T-bird on occasions when it's necessary to use a GUI interface. Yeah, I hate it too when they remove stuff for ... what purpose again ? Who knows. Progress, design, w/e ? As it seems a problem in the desktop/window manager, I'm not sure changing the software will change anything. Or is it a desktop skin problem ? On XFCE too, there are no more "lil arrows" anywhere, just the bars. Nothing in settings, even the manual ones. But maybe if you ask on the XFCE forum, there is a hidden value to create ? Also, maybe try running the Windows Thunderbird version under WINE, and it would display the arrows ? I've not used WINE in a long time, so it's a wild guess. However, on MATE, it seems the arrows are there !
Re: thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 02:46:38PM +, charlie derr wrote: > Greetings fine free software people. > > A number of years ago, the little arrows at the top and bottom of the > scrollbar to the right of my "message list" view in thunderbird (I'm > currently using debian stable) disappeared. As I have a huge number of > emails in my work inbox (not this account), this means that in order to > "gradually" move backwards or forwards through the list of messages, I am > forced to use mouse/trackpad/scrollwheel features (usually two fingers on > my trackpad) as there is not enough "granularity" for me to pick up the > scrollbar and move it (there's no way I can be accurate enough not to jump > past many hundreds or even thousands of messages when I do this). > > I use KDE on one computer and Gnome Classic on others. Neither of these > seems to provide for the "old school" arrows at the top and bottom of the > scrollbar in the GUI which I can click on and hold (it used to be possible > to do this and then have the messages scroll by at a speed which allowed > me to notice what's going by and stop when i see a subject, recipient or > sender that is relevant and so which I want to stop and open the message). > > Any clue whether it's possible (by using a different window manager, > configuring something in tbird, and/or by other means) to regain that > older (and for me, very useful!) functionality, GUI-feature, or whatever > the proper way to describe/categorize these widgets that disappeared might > be? > > thanks so very very much in advance for any links to documentation, > direction, guidance, advice, information, etc... ~c > > P.S. CCs directly to me are fine (but I'll check the list for a few days > too). > I've been waiting and hoping you'd get an answer, because I have exactly the same problem and I haven't found a solution. I haven't figured out if this is off topic or not because I'm not sure if this is an issue in Thunderbird itself or if it has something to do with the desktop. Since you use both KDE and Gnome whereas I use XFCE4 it looks suspiciously like it's a T-bird issue, but many people in the threads listed below seem to say it's limited to the linux version and not a problem on the Windows version. On Mozilla support this problem has been discussed quite a few times (1) over the last 6 or 7 years and I haven't tried every suggestion there, but I didn't see any definitive solutions. I've been thinking of movng from T-bird to something else like Claws Mail to solve the problem but haven't gotten around to it since I usually use Mutt and only use T-bird on occasions when it's necessary to use a GUI interface. (1) https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1221689 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1349122 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1274081 https://support.mozilla.org/mk/questions/1161675 Don
thunderbird missing arrows for scrolling through list of email messages
Greetings fine free software people. A number of years ago, the little arrows at the top and bottom of the scrollbar to the right of my "message list" view in thunderbird (I'm currently using debian stable) disappeared. As I have a huge number of emails in my work inbox (not this account), this means that in order to "gradually" move backwards or forwards through the list of messages, I am forced to use mouse/trackpad/scrollwheel features (usually two fingers on my trackpad) as there is not enough "granularity" for me to pick up the scrollbar and move it (there's no way I can be accurate enough not to jump past many hundreds or even thousands of messages when I do this). I use KDE on one computer and Gnome Classic on others. Neither of these seems to provide for the "old school" arrows at the top and bottom of the scrollbar in the GUI which I can click on and hold (it used to be possible to do this and then have the messages scroll by at a speed which allowed me to notice what's going by and stop when i see a subject, recipient or sender that is relevant and so which I want to stop and open the message). Any clue whether it's possible (by using a different window manager, configuring something in tbird, and/or by other means) to regain that older (and for me, very useful!) functionality, GUI-feature, or whatever the proper way to describe/categorize these widgets that disappeared might be? thanks so very very much in advance for any links to documentation, direction, guidance, advice, information, etc... ~c P.S. CCs directly to me are fine (but I'll check the list for a few days too).
