Re: Have you used Duplicati 2.0.4.5 to backup Debian 9.8.0 Server?

[Gene Heskett]

On Friday 15 March 2019 06:37:12 Curt wrote:

> On 2019-03-15, Dan Ritter  wrote:
> > Borg integrates nicely as a method for ninjabackup. I recommend
> > them.
>
> curty@einstein:~$ apt-cache search ninja
> backupninja - lightweight, extensible meta-backup system
> 
>
> curty@einstein:~$ apt-cache show backupninja
> 
>  Backupninja is a silent flower blossom death strike to lost data.
>
> Okay.
>
> > -dsr-

So is amanda. Advance Maryland Automatic Disk Archiver. First published 
in the early 80's, still under development as its tools change, been 
using it since the late 90's myself, about 21 years now. Its backup 
strategy is to use about the same amount of media on a daily run. Give 
it a 7 day "backup cycle" and it will in time scatter the level 0 
backups around, doing level 1's or level 2's in between times, until its 
using say 35GB a night. This lends itself to efficient filling of a 
tape, if using tapes, yet with my wrapper, it can restore at 6am if need 
be, to the exact state that existed at 3am when it was finished with 
last nights run. I'm using virtual tapes on a separate big drive, 
currently a 2T. Backing up my local 5 machine network, this machine and 
4 cnc conversions I've done so far, worrying about a backup of the 
latest config changes as I bring a new machine into service has yet to 
cost me any sleep. One just has to get rid of a "main backup on fridays" 
mindset. It will be done and its got everything that existed at 3am when 
it last ran. Amanda keeps records, better records than most IMO.  And 
gives you a good nights sleep too.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Have you used Duplicati 2.0.4.5 to backup Debian 9.8.0 Server?

[Curt]

On 2019-03-15, Dan Ritter  wrote:
>
> Borg integrates nicely as a method for ninjabackup. I recommend
> them.

curty@einstein:~$ apt-cache search ninja
backupninja - lightweight, extensible meta-backup system


curty@einstein:~$ apt-cache show backupninja

 Backupninja is a silent flower blossom death strike to lost data.

Okay.

> -dsr-
>
>


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Re: Have you used Duplicati 2.0.4.5 to backup Debian 9.8.0 Server?

[Dan Ritter]

deloptes wrote: 
> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> 
> > Good morning from Singapore,
> > 
> > Have you used Duplicati 2.0.4.5 to backup Debian 9.8.0 Server?
> > 
> > Is it good?
> > 
> > Thank you for your review.
> 
> I was looking recently for a backup solution and did review few of them. I
> choose borg. I then asked a friend working as system administrator and he
> told me he is using also borg. I now also use borg. Looking at
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_backup_software - it seems they
> are similar from feature POV.
> 
> hope this helps

Borg integrates nicely as a method for ninjabackup. I recommend
them.

-dsr-

Re: Have you used Duplicati 2.0.4.5 to backup Debian 9.8.0 Server?

[deloptes]

Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

> Good morning from Singapore,
> 
> Have you used Duplicati 2.0.4.5 to backup Debian 9.8.0 Server?
> 
> Is it good?
> 
> Thank you for your review.

I was looking recently for a backup solution and did review few of them. I
choose borg. I then asked a friend working as system administrator and he
told me he is using also borg. I now also use borg. Looking at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_backup_software - it seems they
are similar from feature POV.

hope this helps

Have you used Duplicati 2.0.4.5 to backup Debian 9.8.0 Server?

[Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming]

Good morning from Singapore,

Have you used Duplicati 2.0.4.5 to backup Debian 9.8.0 Server?

Is it good?

Thank you for your review.

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Re: Duplicati?

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

Hi Boyan,

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 02:32:32PM -0500, Boyan Penkov wrote:
>Hello Roberto,
> 
>Thanks for the particularly detailed explanation; it's quite apropos,
>since:
> 
>-- I'm new to actually thinking about what it takes to make stuff work.

Packaging software for Debian is certainly a great way to learn how a
system made up of many different complex software components goes
together.

>-- I had wrongly assumed the existence of some .deb floating around would
>make the packaging more straightforward
> 
In sme cases it can be a help, but most often Debian (as well as RPM and
other format) packages created by upstream are usually the result of
some automated generation process. Packages created in that fashion
rarely meet the policy standards for packages included officially in
Debian.

Sometimes upstream will create and maintain proper packages, but that is
not always the case. Usually this sort of thing happens when upstream
has experienced Debian Developers involved, or if they have a particular
interest in having a very well supported Debian package. In some cases
upstream will even hire a Debian developer to do the work.

>As for Duplicati, too bad -- seems like a nice tool, but there are many
>other options around to suit the same ends...
> 
This is very true. However, if you are interested in learning how to
package for Debian and have a specific interest in the software, then
there are many Debian Developers willing to mentor you throughout the
process.

Regards,

-Roberto

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Re: Duplicati?

[Boyan Penkov]

Hello Roberto,

Thanks for the particularly detailed explanation; it's quite apropos, 
since:


-- I'm new to actually thinking about what it takes to make stuff work.
-- I had wrongly assumed the existence of some .deb floating around 
would make the packaging more straightforward


As for Duplicati, too bad -- seems like a nice tool, but there are many 
other options around to suit the same ends...


Cheers!

On 02/14/2018 02:27 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 02:03:01PM -0500, Boyan Penkov wrote:

Hey folks,

Anybody know of any conversations underway to add
[1]https://www.duplicati.com/ to debian?  They do ship .debs they compile
themselves, so this may not be a steep hill to climb...


I took a quick look at the code in GitHub and the Debian packaging is
far from suitable for inclusion in Debian.  First, it looks like they
build the Debian package using already built binary components from an
earlier build step.  Second, it is not clear that all the necessary
dependencies are in Debian, as they appear to ship quite a few
components as embedded code/libraries.  Third, the layout of components
in the installed package does not look like it follows Debian standards.

There is considerable work involved in properly packaging any complex
software for Debian.  Duplicati appears to be made of numerous
components and has many dependencies, which further complicates the
matter.  Any effort at packaging this for inclusion in the official
archive would really need to start from scratch.

Regards,

-Roberto

Re: Duplicati?

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 02:03:01PM -0500, Boyan Penkov wrote:
>Hey folks,
> 
>Anybody know of any conversations underway to add
>[1]https://www.duplicati.com/ to debian?  They do ship .debs they compile
>themselves, so this may not be a steep hill to climb...
> 
I took a quick look at the code in GitHub and the Debian packaging is
far from suitable for inclusion in Debian.  First, it looks like they
build the Debian package using already built binary components from an
earlier build step.  Second, it is not clear that all the necessary
dependencies are in Debian, as they appear to ship quite a few
components as embedded code/libraries.  Third, the layout of components
in the installed package does not look like it follows Debian standards.

There is considerable work involved in properly packaging any complex
software for Debian.  Duplicati appears to be made of numerous
components and has many dependencies, which further complicates the
matter.  Any effort at packaging this for inclusion in the official
archive would really need to start from scratch.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
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Duplicati?

[Boyan Penkov]

Hey folks,

Anybody know of any conversations underway to add 
https://www.duplicati.com/ to debian?  They do ship .debs they compile 
themselves, so this may not be a steep hill to climb...


Cheers!