Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote on 02/25/17 16:40:
> Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote on 02/18/17 10:32:
>> Daniel Bareiro wrote on 02/16/17 15:14:
>> 
>>> Thanks for sharing your experience. It would be good to know if it
>>> remains stable after several days. I just applied the change suggested
>>> by Benjamin in another message in this thread.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>> Meanwhile I had the first crash of thunderbird. After updating some gtk- and
>> glib related stuff I'm trying it again. If thunderbird still crashes, I 
>> surely
>> apply the setting of the config variable
>> "layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled" (OMTC) which is enabled for faster 
>> and
>> smoother composition.
>>
> Since I suffered another crash of thunderbird, I now flipped
> "layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled" to "false". No more crashes so far.
> 
This refers to thunderbird with lightning version 1:45.7.1-1.

Regards,
jvp.

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi.

On 16/02/17 11:05, Daniel Bareiro wrote:

>> I think I fixed the random Icedove crashes I was experiencing on Jessie
>> by setting layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled to false in Icedove's
>> config editor.

> Thanks for the tip. I applied this change. Let's see if it makes any
> difference.

Although crashes continue to occur in my case, when using this option
Icedove seems more stable than before.

Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi again.

On 15/02/17 19:52, Daniel Bareiro wrote:

>> Isn't there a plan to migrate back to Thunderbird anyway, just as 
>> Iceweasel has been replaced with firefox?
>>
>> I wonder if stretch has thunderbird packages? (no time to check right 
>> now)

> It looks like it's currently in Sid. Has anyone tried it?
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=thunderbird

Here is the official announcement:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/02/msg4.html


Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[GiaThnYgeia]

And you have not updated icedove/thunderchicken in the past 10 days I
assume.  If you have, how can you tell that this was the fix and was not
in the update?

Mattia Oss:
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 04:40:44PM +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
>> Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote on 02/18/17 10:32:
>>> Daniel Bareiro wrote on 02/16/17 15:14:
 Thanks for sharing your experience. It would be good to know if it
 remains stable after several days. I just applied the change suggested
 by Benjamin in another message in this thread.

 Kind regards,
 Daniel

>>> Meanwhile I had the first crash of thunderbird. After updating some gtk- and
>>> glib related stuff I'm trying it again. If thunderbird still crashes, I 
>>> surely
>>> apply the setting of the config variable
>>> "layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled" (OMTC) which is enabled for 
>>> faster and
>>> smoother composition.
>>>
>> Since I suffered another crash of thunderbird, I now flipped
>> "layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled" to "false". No more crashes so far.
>>
>> Regards,
>> jvp.
> 
> +1 
> No more crashes after 10+ days. This option is the devil himself. :)
> 
> Bye,
> Mattia
> 

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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Mattia Oss]

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 04:40:44PM +0100, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:
> Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote on 02/18/17 10:32:
> > Daniel Bareiro wrote on 02/16/17 15:14:
> > 
> >> Thanks for sharing your experience. It would be good to know if it
> >> remains stable after several days. I just applied the change suggested
> >> by Benjamin in another message in this thread.
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >> Daniel
> >>
> > Meanwhile I had the first crash of thunderbird. After updating some gtk- and
> > glib related stuff I'm trying it again. If thunderbird still crashes, I 
> > surely
> > apply the setting of the config variable
> > "layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled" (OMTC) which is enabled for 
> > faster and
> > smoother composition.
> > 
> Since I suffered another crash of thunderbird, I now flipped
> "layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled" to "false". No more crashes so far.
> 
> Regards,
> jvp.

+1 
No more crashes after 10+ days. This option is the devil himself. :)

Bye,
Mattia

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote on 02/18/17 10:32:
> Daniel Bareiro wrote on 02/16/17 15:14:
> 
>> Thanks for sharing your experience. It would be good to know if it
>> remains stable after several days. I just applied the change suggested
>> by Benjamin in another message in this thread.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Daniel
>>
> Meanwhile I had the first crash of thunderbird. After updating some gtk- and
> glib related stuff I'm trying it again. If thunderbird still crashes, I surely
> apply the setting of the config variable
> "layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled" (OMTC) which is enabled for faster 
> and
> smoother composition.
> 
Since I suffered another crash of thunderbird, I now flipped
"layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled" to "false". No more crashes so far.

Regards,
jvp.

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Daniel Bareiro wrote on 02/16/17 15:14:

> Thanks for sharing your experience. It would be good to know if it
> remains stable after several days. I just applied the change suggested
> by Benjamin in another message in this thread.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Daniel
> 
Meanwhile I had the first crash of thunderbird. After updating some gtk- and
glib related stuff I'm trying it again. If thunderbird still crashes, I surely
apply the setting of the config variable
"layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled" (OMTC) which is enabled for faster and
smoother composition.

Regards,
jvp.

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Mattia Oss]

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 07:31:25AM -0500, Benjamin Rochefort wrote:
> I think I fixed the random Icedove crashes I was experiencing on Jessie
> by setting layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled to false in Icedove's
> config editor.

Thanks for the tip. No more crashes so far since I disabled this option. 
I will post updates. Thunderbird on Sid.

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Benjamin Rochefort]

Le 2017-02-16 à 19:40, Jape Person a écrit :
> On 02/16/2017 06:11 PM, Benjamin Rochefort wrote:
>> It's been weeks, maybe even months now.  I found this suggestion
>> somewhere on the web after searching for something like 'random
>> thunderbird crash'.  I have no idea what behavior this setting controls,
>> but setting it to false hasn't removed any visible functionality as far
>> as I can see.
>>
>>
> After changing the setting I noticed one feature was missing -- the
> ability of Icedove to suddenly make my desktop appear while I was trying
> to read messages!
> 
> That's why I returned the setting to its default. I like surprises.

As they say, one man's bug is another man's feature :).


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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Jape Person]

On 02/16/2017 06:11 PM, Benjamin Rochefort wrote:

Le 2017-02-16 à 15:20, Paul van der Vlis a écrit :

Op 16-02-17 om 13:31 schreef Benjamin Rochefort:

I think I fixed the random Icedove crashes I was experiencing on Jessie
by setting layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled to false in Icedove's
config editor.


Interesting. Why do you think this helps?  How long are you running
without crashes?


It's been weeks, maybe even months now.  I found this suggestion
somewhere on the web after searching for something like 'random
thunderbird crash'.  I have no idea what behavior this setting controls,
but setting it to false hasn't removed any visible functionality as far
as I can see.


After changing the setting I noticed one feature was missing -- the 
ability of Icedove to suddenly make my desktop appear while I was trying 
to read messages!


That's why I returned the setting to its default. I like surprises.

g,d

JP

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Benjamin Rochefort]

Le 2017-02-16 à 15:20, Paul van der Vlis a écrit :
> Op 16-02-17 om 13:31 schreef Benjamin Rochefort:
>> I think I fixed the random Icedove crashes I was experiencing on Jessie
>> by setting layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled to false in Icedove's
>> config editor.
> 
> Interesting. Why do you think this helps?  How long are you running
> without crashes?

It's been weeks, maybe even months now.  I found this suggestion
somewhere on the web after searching for something like 'random
thunderbird crash'.  I have no idea what behavior this setting controls,
but setting it to false hasn't removed any visible functionality as far
as I can see.


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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Frank Lanitz]

On 15.02.2017 23:43, Mark Fletcher wrote:
> Isn't there a plan to migrate back to Thunderbird anyway, just as 
> Iceweasel has been replaced with firefox?
> 
> I wonder if stretch has thunderbird packages? (no time to check right 
> now)

Well, it's also crashing like hell here (45.6.0-3)

Cheers,
Frank



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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 17/02/17 09:50, Jape Person wrote:

The crashes occur *only* when I have the message pane open and am moving
through the message list. (I always use the keyboard arrow keys for
this, so don't know if same would happen with mouse.)


This was also the trigger for the crashes I saw: switching quickly 
between messages, which is much easier with arrow keys.


Kind regards,

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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Jape Person]

On 02/16/2017 03:40 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:

On 17/02/17 01:31, Benjamin Rochefort wrote:

I think I fixed the random Icedove crashes I was experiencing on Jessie
by setting layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled to false in Icedove's
config editor.


+1. I had terrible problems with icedove segfaults on sid last year and
this option was the only fix that worked for me. I am still using it.

Kind regards,

Three Debian testing systems here with same issue. This config editor 
setting fixed the crashing on all three systems. I reversed the setting 
a few weeks ago and have had a couple of Icedove crashes only on the 
most heavily used system. This is a rarer occurrence than it used to be.


The crashes occur *only* when I have the message pane open and am moving 
through the message list. (I always use the keyboard arrow keys for 
this, so don't know if same would happen with mouse.)

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Ben Caradoc-Davies]

On 17/02/17 01:31, Benjamin Rochefort wrote:

I think I fixed the random Icedove crashes I was experiencing on Jessie
by setting layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled to false in Icedove's
config editor.


+1. I had terrible problems with icedove segfaults on sid last year and 
this option was the only fix that worked for me. I am still using it.


Kind regards,

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Director
Transient Software Limited 
New Zealand

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Paul van der Vlis]

Op 16-02-17 om 13:31 schreef Benjamin Rochefort:
> I think I fixed the random Icedove crashes I was experiencing on Jessie
> by setting layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled to false in Icedove's
> config editor.

Interesting. Why do you think this helps?  How long are you running
without crashes?

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis





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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Jörg.

On 16/02/17 05:26, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote:

> Daniel Bareiro wrote on 02/15/17 23:52:
> 
>>> I wonder if stretch has thunderbird packages? (no time to check right 
>>> now)
>>
>> It looks like it's currently in Sid. Has anyone tried it?
>>
>> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=thunderbird
>>
> I'm using a mixed testing/sid system and have also experienced such sudden
> deaths of icedove with version 45.6.0.
> A few hours ago I did the transition to thunderbird. It went really smooth by
> upgrading the iceweasel*/iceowl* packages (it makes a backup of ~/.icedove and
> generates a new ~/.thunderbird from that), and after using some
> unmarkauto/markauto and purge commands there are now only the
> thunderbird*/lightning* packages on the system.
> In my lxpanel config I had to replace icedove.desktop by thunderbird.desktop,
> the firefox Application "mailto" was adapted automatically.
> All runs smooth so far.

Thanks for sharing your experience. It would be good to know if it
remains stable after several days. I just applied the change suggested
by Benjamin in another message in this thread.

Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Benjamin

On 16/02/17 09:31, Benjamin Rochefort wrote:

> I think I fixed the random Icedove crashes I was experiencing on Jessie
> by setting layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled to false in Icedove's
> config editor.

Thanks for the tip. I applied this change. Let's see if it makes any
difference.

Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Benjamin Rochefort]

I think I fixed the random Icedove crashes I was experiencing on Jessie
by setting layers.offmainthreadcomposition.enabled to false in Icedove's
config editor.


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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Paul van der Vlis]

On 16-02-17 10:10, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> 
> 
> Paul van der Vlis:
>> On 15-02-17 15:56, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
>> See:
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828069
>> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=827267
>>
>> With regards,
>> Paul van der Vlis
> 
> Have you tried installing the debug part of icedove?
> 
> "This package contains the debug symbols for Icedove. Install this
> package if you need to debug such a program or if you need a useful
> backtrace of a crash."

No, I did not. And you are completely right, it would be good to do
that. There are a few backtraces in the bugs, but maybe not enough.

With regards,
Paul


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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[GiaThnYgeia]

Paul van der Vlis:
> On 15-02-17 15:56, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> See:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828069
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=827267
> 
> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis

Have you tried installing the debug part of icedove?

"This package contains the debug symbols for Icedove. Install this
package if you need to debug such a program or if you need a useful
backtrace of a crash."

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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Daniel Bareiro wrote on 02/15/17 23:52:

>> I wonder if stretch has thunderbird packages? (no time to check right 
>> now)
> 
> It looks like it's currently in Sid. Has anyone tried it?
> 
> https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=thunderbird
> 
I'm using a mixed testing/sid system and have also experienced such sudden
deaths of icedove with version 45.6.0.
A few hours ago I did the transition to thunderbird. It went really smooth by
upgrading the iceweasel*/iceowl* packages (it makes a backup of ~/.icedove and
generates a new ~/.thunderbird from that), and after using some
unmarkauto/markauto and purge commands there are now only the
thunderbird*/lightning* packages on the system.
In my lxpanel config I had to replace icedove.desktop by thunderbird.desktop,
the firefox Application "mailto" was adapted automatically.
All runs smooth so far.

Regards,
jvp.

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Tony Baldwin]

On 02/15/2017 03:38 PM, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 12:50:33 (-0500), Anthony Baldwin wrote:



On 02/15/2017 11:05 AM, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:


I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly,
I'll just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a
soap bubble on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication
of instability, etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally
comes right back up without issue and functions normally afterwards.
Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
would REALLY annoy me, and I would likely have already appeared here
seeking a solution to the problem, but since, so far, it hasn't
caused me any real loss, but rather just minor annoyance, I haven't
mentioned it, until now.


If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.



But why would I install an entire VM+OS like E.M.A.C.S. when Icedove
has its own message composer/editor ?
if I wanted to use a different editor I'd be using MUTT with VIM. ;-)


Indeed. But you wrote "Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm
composing a message". So someone else (we're on a list) might
appreciate the advice. I was under the impression that changing the
composition editor in ID was not immediately obvious. Perhaps I'm
out of date here.


No. you're right. It is not obvious, in fact, I didn't know it could be 
done at all, tbh.

Sorry my attempt at humour was even less obvious, apparently.

Tony

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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[D. R. Evans]

Paul van der Vlis wrote on 02/15/2017 01:24 PM:
> On 15-02-17 16:32, D. R. Evans wrote:
> 
>> That said, I had an icedove crash a few days ago, but it was the first time
>> for perhaps a month, whereas at one point it was happening several times per 
>> day.
> 
> Do you use Stretch?

No: jessie.

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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Mark

On 15/02/17 19:43, Mark Fletcher wrote:

>>> I am using Jessie, Icedove v. 45.6.0 at the moment, on AMD64;

>> It's a known bug in Jessie. My question is about Stretch.
>>
>> With regards,
>> Paul

> Isn't there a plan to migrate back to Thunderbird anyway, just as 
> Iceweasel has been replaced with firefox?
> 
> I wonder if stretch has thunderbird packages? (no time to check right 
> now)

It looks like it's currently in Sid. Has anyone tried it?

https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=names=thunderbird


Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Mark Fletcher]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 09:18:37PM +0100, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> On 15-02-17 16:49, Tony Baldwin wrote:
> 
> > I am using Jessie, Icedove v. 45.6.0 at the moment, on AMD64;
> 
> It's a known bug in Jessie. My question is about Stretch.
> 
> With regards,
> Paul
> 

Isn't there a plan to migrate back to Thunderbird anyway, just as 
Iceweasel has been replaced with firefox?

I wonder if stretch has thunderbird packages? (no time to check right 
now)

Mark

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[David Wright]

On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 12:50:33 (-0500), Anthony Baldwin wrote:
> 
> 
> On 02/15/2017 11:05 AM, David Wright wrote:
> >On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:
> >
> >>I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
> >>identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly,
> >>I'll just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a
> >>soap bubble on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication
> >>of instability, etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally
> >>comes right back up without issue and functions normally afterwards.
> >>Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
> >>would REALLY annoy me, and I would likely have already appeared here
> >>seeking a solution to the problem, but since, so far, it hasn't
> >>caused me any real loss, but rather just minor annoyance, I haven't
> >>mentioned it, until now.
> >
> >If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
> >With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.
> >
> 
> But why would I install an entire VM+OS like E.M.A.C.S. when Icedove
> has its own message composer/editor ?
> if I wanted to use a different editor I'd be using MUTT with VIM. ;-)

Indeed. But you wrote "Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm
composing a message". So someone else (we're on a list) might
appreciate the advice. I was under the impression that changing the
composition editor in ID was not immediately obvious. Perhaps I'm
out of date here.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Paul van der Vlis]

On 15-02-17 16:05, Boyan Penkov wrote:
> 
> On 02/15/2017 10:03 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> 
>> I do not have problems with Iceowl, but I don't use Google. What I use
>> is my own caldav server (sogo).
>>
>> Do you use Iceowl or Lightning?
>> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/iceowl-extension
>>
>> If you turn off the plugins, do you still have crashes?
> 
> Unfortunately, I do, yes...

Do you use Stretch (=Debian testing) ?

With regards,
Paul





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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Paul van der Vlis]

On 15-02-17 16:32, D. R. Evans wrote:

> That said, I had an icedove crash a few days ago, but it was the first time
> for perhaps a month, whereas at one point it was happening several times per 
> day.

Do you use Stretch?

With regards,
Paul



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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Paul van der Vlis]

On 15-02-17 16:49, Tony Baldwin wrote:

> I am using Jessie, Icedove v. 45.6.0 at the moment, on AMD64;

It's a known bug in Jessie. My question is about Stretch.

With regards,
Paul




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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[GiaThnYgeia]

Anthony Baldwin:
> 
> 
> On 02/15/2017 11:05 AM, David Wright wrote:
>> On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:
> Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
>>> would REALLY annoy me, 
>>
>> If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
>> With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.
> 
> But why would I install an entire VM+OS like E.M.A.C.S. when Icedove has
> its own message composer/editor ?
> if I wanted to use a different editor I'd be using MUTT with VIM. ;-)

In 45.6.0 (at least) in preferences ==> composition ==> save every X
minutes ... you can make it really small for all the text you can type
in subminute time :)

Thinking of this it may be at times where autosave takes place that it
crashes so the question becomes does it crash when at rest or when you
are editing a message?  Does it crash while reaching a pop or an imap
server, does it crash while trying to reach a specific server, does it
crash while trying to reach mozilla for an update ..

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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Anthony Baldwin]

On 02/15/2017 11:05 AM, David Wright wrote:

On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:


I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly,
I'll just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a
soap bubble on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication
of instability, etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally
comes right back up without issue and functions normally afterwards.
Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
would REALLY annoy me, and I would likely have already appeared here
seeking a solution to the problem, but since, so far, it hasn't
caused me any real loss, but rather just minor annoyance, I haven't
mentioned it, until now.


If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.



But why would I install an entire VM+OS like E.M.A.C.S. when Icedove has 
its own message composer/editor ?

if I wanted to use a different editor I'd be using MUTT with VIM. ;-)

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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[David Wright]

On Wed 15 Feb 2017 at 10:49:06 (-0500), Tony Baldwin wrote:

> I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
> identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly,
> I'll just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a
> soap bubble on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication
> of instability, etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally
> comes right back up without issue and functions normally afterwards.
> Thankfully, it rarely does it while I'm composing a message, that
> would REALLY annoy me, and I would likely have already appeared here
> seeking a solution to the problem, but since, so far, it hasn't
> caused me any real loss, but rather just minor annoyance, I haven't
> mentioned it, until now.

If you compose in an editor like emacs, it auto-saves periodically.
With your email tmpdir set to /var/tmp, these will even survive reboots.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Daniel Bareiro]

Hi, Tony.

On 15/02/17 12:50, Tony Baldwin wrote:

> Not sure if relevant, but I use ID with imap with a gmx.com account
> (Perhaps this last was obvious?)

I have three accounts configured in Icedove. Two accounts on my local
IMAP server, and other IMAP account on GMX. But I do not think it have
to do with the GMX account because I have experienced this issue also
when browsing my local emails or it has also died suddenly without any
kind of interaction (I think).

Kind regards,
Daniel




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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Tony Baldwin]

On 02/15/2017 10:49 AM, Tony Baldwin wrote:



On 02/15/2017 09:36 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

Hello,

Many peope (not all) have problems because Icedove crashes since an
update last year. Icedove on my laptop with Debian stable crashes random
about one time per week.

I have many customers with Debian stable and oldstable. Most of them
have problems with a crashing Icedove. I have also workstations here
where Icedove has never crashed.

What I want to ask, is what the latest situation is when using Stretch
(testing). I know a few people who are using Stretch and they all told
me they have no problems with a crashing Icedove.

What is your experience?

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis



I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently
identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly, I'll
just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a soap bubble
on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication of instability,
etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally comes right back up
without issue and functions normally afterwards. Thankfully, it rarely
does it while I'm composing a message, that would REALLY annoy me, and I
would likely have already appeared here seeking a solution to the
problem, but since, so far, it hasn't caused me any real loss, but
rather just minor annoyance, I haven't mentioned it, until now.

I am using Jessie, Icedove v. 45.6.0 at the moment, on AMD64; My system
is otherwise generally stable (with the exception of occasional
unexplained hiccoughs in the sound system, for which I have sought help
on the list, and which I can resolve with a reboot...again, annoying,
but not a high priority issue).

Tony


Not sure if relevant, but I use ID with imap with a gmx.com account 
(Perhaps this last was obvious?)


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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Tony Baldwin]

On 02/15/2017 09:36 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

Hello,

Many peope (not all) have problems because Icedove crashes since an
update last year. Icedove on my laptop with Debian stable crashes random
about one time per week.

I have many customers with Debian stable and oldstable. Most of them
have problems with a crashing Icedove. I have also workstations here
where Icedove has never crashed.

What I want to ask, is what the latest situation is when using Stretch
(testing). I know a few people who are using Stretch and they all told
me they have no problems with a crashing Icedove.

What is your experience?

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis



I get random ID crashes, pretty well daily, but no consistently 
identifiable cause. It really seems to be occurring very randomly, I'll 
just be reading messages when suddenly *pop* it dies like a soap bubble 
on a Christmas tree, no error msg, no prior indication of instability, 
etc.; Just sudden, random crashing. It generally comes right back up 
without issue and functions normally afterwards. Thankfully, it rarely 
does it while I'm composing a message, that would REALLY annoy me, and I 
would likely have already appeared here seeking a solution to the 
problem, but since, so far, it hasn't caused me any real loss, but 
rather just minor annoyance, I haven't mentioned it, until now.


I am using Jessie, Icedove v. 45.6.0 at the moment, on AMD64; My system 
is otherwise generally stable (with the exception of occasional 
unexplained hiccoughs in the sound system, for which I have sought help 
on the list, and which I can resolve with a reboot...again, annoying, 
but not a high priority issue).


Tony
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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[D. R. Evans]

Daniel Bareiro wrote on 02/15/2017 08:07 AM:

> 
> That does not sound good. I have been experiencing this for a while in
> Jessie and I was hoping it would be fixed on Stretch :(
> 

Getting a bit off-topic, but I have been assuming that icedove must still be
broken in stretch, because surely a fix will be backported to jessie once
there is one -- after all, it was a post-release jessie "update" that broke
icedove, so at some point a similar update should fix it.

That said, I had an icedove crash a few days ago, but it was the first time
for perhaps a month, whereas at one point it was happening several times per 
day.

  Doc

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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Paul van der Vlis]

On 15-02-17 15:56, GiaThnYgeia wrote:
> Ι've had it happen to me but very rarely and this is a wild shot that
> may relate the problem to a certain activity.  Are all of your icedove
> folders on the default home/. directory or do you store some folders in
> other local or network drives?  

No, everything is in a very normal homedirectory without shares over the
network.

See:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=828069
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=827267

With regards,
Paul van der Vlis




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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Daniel Bareiro]

On 15/02/17 11:36, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

> Hello,

Hi, Paul.

> Many peope (not all) have problems because Icedove crashes since an
> update last year. Icedove on my laptop with Debian stable crashes random
> about one time per week.
> 
> I have many customers with Debian stable and oldstable. Most of them
> have problems with a crashing Icedove. I have also workstations here
> where Icedove has never crashed.
> 
> What I want to ask, is what the latest situation is when using Stretch
> (testing). I know a few people who are using Stretch and they all told
> me they have no problems with a crashing Icedove.
> 
> What is your experience?

That does not sound good. I have been experiencing this for a while in
Jessie and I was hoping it would be fixed on Stretch :(

Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[Boyan Penkov]

On 02/15/2017 10:03 AM, Paul van der Vlis wrote:

> I do not have problems with Iceowl, but I don't use Google. What I use
> is my own caldav server (sogo).
>
> Do you use Iceowl or Lightning?
> https://packages.debian.org/stretch/iceowl-extension
>
> If you turn off the plugins, do you still have crashes?

Unfortunately, I do, yes...

Cheers!
>
> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis
>
>

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Re: Crashes in Icedove on Stretch

[GiaThnYgeia]

Paul van der Vlis:
> Hello,
> 
> Many peope (not all) have problems because Icedove crashes since an
> update last year. Icedove on my laptop with Debian stable crashes random
> about one time per week.
> 
> I have many customers with Debian stable and oldstable. Most of them
> have problems with a crashing Icedove. I have also workstations here
> where Icedove has never crashed.
> 
> What I want to ask, is what the latest situation is when using Stretch
> (testing). I know a few people who are using Stretch and they all told
> me they have no problems with a crashing Icedove.
> 
> What is your experience?

Ι've had it happen to me but very rarely and this is a wild shot that
may relate the problem to a certain activity.  Are all of your icedove
folders on the default home/. directory or do you store some folders in
other local or network drives?  My theory revolves around the mounting
and unmounting volumes of storage or them not responding fast enough and
some threshold intolerance to disk response in icedove makes it crash.
Possibly for security reasons .. I don't know.  I am not confident of
this but as a different user unmounts and remounts the same volume where
icedove stores a mail folder at some point later icedove crashes.  The
occasion when it happens is too infrequent for me to research it as a
problem.  No signs of any data loss or corruption.
I assume there is some log file somewhere in the maze where it records
the crashing condition.
I hope this may help and not confuse the issue.

> With regards,
> Paul van der Vlis

Kat

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