Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-08 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-09-05 01:04:38, schrieb s. keeling: mutt has no trouble reading gzipped mboxes. :-) I am using courier-imap AND mutt It would be the hell, ich you have 200.000 messages from debian-user or over 350.000 messages from linux-kernel in a MAILBOX. Such things can only handled by Maildir

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-08 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-09-05 09:37:57, schrieb Ismael Valladolid Torres: Ron Johnson escribe: Good to know. For *big* .mbox.gz files, though, I'd still wonder about it's practicality. For me, mutt is as good reading big .mboz.gz files as reading big mbox files. Don't know what are you considering *big*

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello Dimitry, Am 2006-09-01 15:09:07, schrieb Dmitri Minaev: Dear Michelle, Still, there are some unpleasant problems I couldn't solve. The worst one was that Mutt downloads the whole message. That is, it does not support selective retrieval of MIME parts, AFAIU. I do not know one single

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-07 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-09-04 11:00:45, schrieb Ron Johnson: I think I'd roll those *old* messages into gzipped mbox files and install grepmail if I really needed to search them. Generaly I have only the last 12 Month im my mailfolders and then I move it into my PostgreSQL... Only one Table for better to

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-07 Thread Kevin Buhr
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Still, there are some unpleasant problems I couldn't solve. The worst one was that Mutt downloads the whole message. That is, it does not support selective retrieval of MIME parts, AFAIU. I do not know one single IMAP client which can do this...

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-07 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 9/6/06, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still, there are some unpleasant problems I couldn't solve. The worst one was that Mutt downloads the whole message. That is, it does not support selective retrieval of MIME parts, AFAIU. I do not know one single IMAP client which can do

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-05 Thread Ismael Valladolid Torres
Ron Johnson escribe: Good to know. For *big* .mbox.gz files, though, I'd still wonder about it's practicality. For me, mutt is as good reading big .mboz.gz files as reading big mbox files. Don't know what are you considering *big* of course... :) Cordially, Ismael -- Ismael Valladolid Torres

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-05 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote: Ron Johnson escribe: Good to know. For *big* .mbox.gz files, though, I'd still wonder about it's practicality. For me, mutt is as good reading big .mboz.gz files as reading big mbox files. Don't know what are

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-31 01:16:02, schrieb Micha Feigin: I don't know how you do it. AFAIK unless something changed, it has no knowledge of RTL text and thus it renders it LTR and counts on the terminal to do all the rest. I can see the hebrew text but I need to read it in the wrong direction. Try:

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-30 18:03:45, schrieb Steve Lamb: What about it? Oh, I see, too complicated for mutt authors to make a simple SMTP interface so they can do away with the command line altogether. ^ Simpel with TLS1, SSL, asmtp, ...? Multiple Server? Exactly. They have

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-31 08:56:17, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 07:20:12AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Besides, how does one manage a 2*10^6 email folder? My 21 monitor running at 1280x1024 can only display 45 email subjects. That would be *44,445* screens of emails. Totally

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-04 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-31 06:59:33, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:51:27PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: I've yet to fathom a need for a 2 million message mailbox. Not to mention the support structure behind it since 2 million would break or strain both maildir and mbox.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-08-31 08:56:17, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 07:20:12AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Besides, how does one manage a 2*10^6 email folder? My 21 monitor running at 1280x1024 can only display 45

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-04 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-08-31 08:56:17, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 07:20:12AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Besides, how does one manage a 2*10^6 email folder? My 21 monitor In sumary I have 1592 folders and subfolders...

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 s. keeling wrote: Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-08-31 08:56:17, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 07:20:12AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: Besides, how does one manage a 2*10^6 email folder? My 21

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 02:28:24AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: Right now, on my system, t-bird is using 76MB RES 200MB VIRT memory. :( And I thought that sylpheed-claws-gtk2 is using too much at 17MB resources and 38MB virtual. Reminds me why I stopped using T-bird and a bunch of others.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:15:25PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Michelle Konzack wrote: You read more then One message at a time? Yes. Person A says Person B said something important while talking to Person C. So you have Message A open so you can find what is referenced in Message B. Hell,

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Wulfy
Derek Martin wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 02:28:24AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: Right now, on my system, t-bird is using 76MB RES 200MB VIRT memory. :( And I thought that sylpheed-claws-gtk2 is using too much at 17MB resources and 38MB virtual. Reminds me why I stopped using

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 01:16:02AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: Also, how do you set the encoding of the message, as otherwise it gets mangled along the way. Normally this is handled automatically by your terminal ($LANG) settings. If your environment is not configured properly you may have a

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:51:27PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Michelle Konzack wrote: I send E-mails via smtp... = set sendmail=sendmail -oi No, that is via command line. If sendmail were not there how would you get mail out? But it IS there... so what's the problem? A simple minimal

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 07:44:00AM +0100, Wulfy wrote: PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND 18782 foo 15 0 3360 3356 1704 S 0.0 2.6 0:04 0 mutt This is one huge advantage of Mutt. The memory footprint is unbelievably small,

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Nicolaus Kedegren
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006 04:00:18 -0400 Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:51:27PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Michelle Konzack wrote: I send E-mails via smtp... = set sendmail=sendmail -oi No, that is via command line. If sendmail were not there how would you

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 8/31/06, Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 2006-08-29 16:13:05, schrieb Dmitri Minaev: If you pardon my jumping in, gentlemen, I would say that Mutt does not work with IMAP. False Dear Michelle, Sorry, I was wrong. Two days ago I configured Mutt to work with my IMAP server

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 8/30/06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. IMAP has (afaik) no support for such filtering Strictly speaking, no. Still, there is RFC 3028 which allows mail clients to control mail filtering remotely. -- With best regards, Dmitri Minaev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread George Borisov
Dmitri Minaev wrote: And Mutt's address book really depressed me :/ If this helps: back in the days when I used mutt as my main MUA (before moving to Thunderbird on my GUI desktops :-p) I used the 'abook' package with mutt for all of my address book needs. Abook is easily configured to be

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Steve Lamb
Derek Martin wrote: But it IS there... so what's the problem? The presumption that it is. A simple minimal ESMTP engine might be more convenient -- and numerous solutions for that are available for mutt -- but being able to choose to use a full-fledged MTA like sendmail offers the user

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, 01 Sep 2006 07:44:00 +0100 Wulfy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Derek Martin wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 02:28:24AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: Right now, on my system, t-bird is using 76MB RES 200MB VIRT memory. :( And I thought that sylpheed-claws-gtk2 is using too

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-31 Thread hendrik
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:51:27PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: I've yet to fathom a need for a 2 million message mailbox. Not to mention the support structure behind it since 2 million would break or strain both maildir and mbox. Perhaps reiserfs? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-31 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:51:27PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: I've yet to fathom a need for a 2 million message mailbox. Not to mention the support structure behind it since 2 million would break or strain both

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-31 Thread hendrik
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 07:20:12AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:51:27PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: I've yet to fathom a need for a 2 million message mailbox. Not to mention the support

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-31 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-29 16:13:05, schrieb Dmitri Minaev: If you pardon my jumping in, gentlemen, I would say that Mutt does not work with IMAP. False Mutt can read mail stored in IMAP folders, but working with IMAP takes more than that. Folder manipulation (create/share/delete), moving Mutt create

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-31 Thread Steve Lamb
Michelle Konzack wrote: You read more then One message at a time? Yes. Person A says Person B said something important while talking to Person C. So you have Message A open so you can find what is referenced in Message B. Hell, I do it all the time just on debian-user. Surely you with

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Steve Lamb
Derek Martin wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:49:32PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: No... the rules are static, and there are exactly two of them. The user can only change the limits of the rules, not the rules themselves. Changing means they are flexible. Inflexible would be no changes.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
It lacks a decent IMAP implementation. Hint, IMAP is not a glorified POP. On 8/28/06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know, I use mutt with imap and I don't have problems wiht it. What IMAP features do you miss? On 29.08.06 16:13, Dmitri Minaev wrote: If you pardon my

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 8/29/06, Dmitri Minaev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a window shot of how I configured Edit-Account Settings: That's exactly what I used to do :( I'll try and switch to 'Other', as Steve has advised. Hope, that'll help. Nope, didn't help... Two messages were successfully copied to

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Matej Cepl
Micha Feigin wrote: Looks nice, not too heavy, although it also doesn't support hebrew (can't even see the text not to mention right to left), and it always segfaults on exit. Aside from top-posting (please, don't), I am not sure what it is in your message -- kmail, sylpheed, or mulberry? And

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Russell L. Harris
Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... Thanks, Derek, for a refreshing and informative post in this mostly dreary and argumentative thread. Being a heavy user of XEmacs for composition of documents, I have been handling mail with Gnus (which runs under XEmacs), and enjoy the ability to

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-25 03:40:08, schrieb s. keeling: I'm a mutt user myself, but balsa's not bad if you insist on a GUI MUA. I'm not very knowledgable about what it really can do (verify gpg, thread, etc), but it was relatively usable when I found myself forced to use it. I agree with your other

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-25 10:35:16, schrieb Matej Cepl: I have used mutt for couple of years and found it lacking so I switched to kmail, which is much powerful for my purposes. Aside from being troll and self-promoting ass, what do you know about these other MUAs that you can talk about them so

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-26 11:30:33, schrieb Wulfy: It does lack a decent GUI... runs and hides Oh yes, running BALSA, KMAIL and such in a ssh terminal and a 486dx40/12MB =8O Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan Network Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-26 03:55:55, schrieb Steve Lamb: Ah, yes, the rational response. Sorry, Mutt does lack. :-P It lacks the ability to use the SMTP interface to send mail, being restricted to the command line to get the job done. I send E-mails via smtp... = set sendmail=sendmail -oi

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-26 13:25:46, schrieb Matej Cepl: mutt was never intended to be MUA -- it's like a kit with which you can ??? built your own MUA. You have to add SMTP server, filtering, IMAP SMTP: sendmail, exim, postfic, courier-mta, ssmtp, msmtp filtering: procmail, maildrop

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-27 22:31:18, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez: But mutt-ng, which includes the folder pane patch lets you see visually which folders have new mail and how much. If you set your poll interval suitably low, like 60 seconds, then it works quite nicely, is similar to the t-bird layout and

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-27 19:15:07, schrieb Ron Johnson: If, for example, Tbird is your standard MUA, using it's mbox files, is there a way to tell Mutt to use .mozilla/firefox/$WHATEVER/ and for it to know what messages are read/unread, etc? Tbird/Mozilla is using a proprietary format (the mbox wile

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-26 17:14:27, schrieb Steve Lamb: Exactly. I would love to but it can't. set sendmail=sendmail -oi Yet filtering belongs in the client, especially if that client has multiple accounts since one wouldn't want the same filters to apply to all accounts. in procmail: :0

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-28 12:23:19, schrieb Micha Feigin: It lacks a folders column and hebrew support ... Hmmm, I can have farsi and arabic so it support jewish too. (I have some friends in IL which use mutt) Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator Tamay Dogan

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-28 06:52:46, schrieb Roberto C. Sanchez: Not sure about Hebrew and other non-Latin-character languages, but the folder column is available in mutt-ng. Unfortunately there are many nifty patches out there which have necessitated a fork because of the upstream developers'

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-28 00:15:54, schrieb Steve Lamb: Wanna know the sad part. Give most people the piece-together-email system that some die-hards around here insist is the ONE-AND-TRUE-WAY-EMAIL-*MUST-BE-USED(C) and X, OOo, KDE/Gnome and Cups, both fresh off the install, I'd bet cold hard cash

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-28 07:30:12, schrieb Raquel: I don't know what your requirements are, but I've used Sylpheed for years ... since I switched to Linux 7-1/2 years ago. But it does not work with UTF-8 since it is compiled against GTK1.2 I have allready tried it to use GTK+2.0 but failed. The

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Marc Shapiro
Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-08-25 03:40:08, schrieb s. keeling: I'm a mutt user myself, but balsa's not bad if you insist on a GUI MUA. I'm not very knowledgable about what it really can do (verify gpg, thread, etc), but it was relatively usable when I found myself forced to use it.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Clive Menzies
On (30/08/06 08:27), Marc Shapiro wrote: Ah! Another straight fvwm user. I have been devising plans to completely rid myself of the last vestiges of gnome and KDE (neither of which I ever used) that remain on my system. I finally decided that the best way was to do a clean install of

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Nicolaus Kedegren
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:26:05 +0200 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 2006-08-28 07:30:12, schrieb Raquel: I don't know what your requirements are, but I've used Sylpheed for years ... since I switched to Linux 7-1/2 years ago.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Andrei Popescu
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 2006-08-28 07:30:12, schrieb Raquel: I don't know what your requirements are, but I've used Sylpheed for years ... since I switched to Linux 7-1/2 years ago. But it does not work with UTF-8 since it is compiled against GTK1.2 I have allready

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Micha, Am 2006-08-28 22:17:17, schrieb Micha Feigin: I use gtk2 since that adds hebrew support which I can't do without. Nice, if it support hebrew, it support farsi and arabic too... But what about IMAP(S)? Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack Systemadministrator

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2006-08-28 11:11:22, schrieb Marc Wilson: Mutt can't directly show you new mail in an IMAP store. True enough. It has no trouble at all, however, with identifying new mail in a local mbox/maildir/what_have_you store. Whenever *I* go back to my folder list, new is clearly marked.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Marc Shapiro
Clive Menzies wrote: On (30/08/06 08:27), Marc Shapiro wrote: Ah! Another straight fvwm user. I have been devising plans to completely rid myself of the last vestiges of gnome and KDE (neither of which I ever used) that remain on my system. I finally decided that the best way was to do

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Wulfy
Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-08-26 11:30:33, schrieb Wulfy: It does lack a decent GUI... runs and hides Oh yes, running BALSA, KMAIL and such in a ssh terminal and a 486dx40/12MB =8O Thanks, Greetings and nice Day Michelle Konzack I don't use ssh. My box is a K7, not a

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-08-28 00:15:54, schrieb Steve Lamb: [snip] This ist the problem of a High-Power MTA like courier-mta, exim or postfix which can handel 1000 messages per minute. My courier-mta in Paris is transfering each day over

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread cga2000
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 10:06:03AM EDT, Russell L. Harris wrote: Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... Thanks, Derek, for a refreshing and informative post in this mostly dreary and argumentative thread. I'll second that. Being a heavy user of XEmacs for composition of documents, I

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Micha Feigin
I don't know how you do it. AFAIK unless something changed, it has no knowledge of RTL text and thus it renders it LTR and counts on the terminal to do all the rest. I can see the hebrew text but I need to read it in the wrong direction. As for composing, there is no half decent editor that can

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 13:26:05 +0200 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 2006-08-28 07:30:12, schrieb Raquel: I don't know what your requirements are, but I've used Sylpheed for years ... since I switched to Linux 7-1/2 years ago. But it does not work with UTF-8 since it is

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:24:40 -0400 Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micha Feigin wrote: Looks nice, not too heavy, although it also doesn't support hebrew (can't even see the text not to mention right to left), and it always segfaults on exit. Aside from top-posting (please, don't),

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 18:34:45 +0200 Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Micha, Am 2006-08-28 22:17:17, schrieb Micha Feigin: I use gtk2 since that adds hebrew support which I can't do without. Nice, if it support hebrew, it support farsi and arabic too... But what about

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Micha Feigin wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:24:40 -0400 Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micha Feigin wrote: [snip] mail? I don't see what a simple mail program requires a memory footprint of 80MB and a bunch of daemons running in the Right

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Micha Feigin
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:32 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Micha Feigin wrote: On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:24:40 -0400 Matej Cepl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Micha Feigin wrote: [snip] mail? I don't see what a simple mail program

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Steve Lamb
Michelle Konzack wrote: I send E-mails via smtp... = set sendmail=sendmail -oi No, that is via command line. If sendmail were not there how would you get mail out? Or, more importantly, which is easier to set up, sendmail (exim, postfix, qmail) or a single configuration option which

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-30 Thread Steve Lamb
Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2006-08-26 17:14:27, schrieb Steve Lamb: Exactly. I would love to but it can't. set sendmail=sendmail -oi As mentioned before this is not the same and you know it. Yet filtering belongs in the client, especially if that client has multiple

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Mumia W.
On 08/28/2006 10:09 PM, Marc Wilson wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:36:48PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Oddly enough I open up Thunderbird which connects to my IMAP store and it knows how much new mail is in each folder without me going into them. Of course this process works *so* well in

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Mathias Brodala wrote: Officially with version 3.0. But the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB package maintainers. Oh my, Mathias, thank you for mentioning this. 10 seconds later and one less wart on Thunderbird. -- Steve C. Lamb | But who

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: Mathias Brodala wrote: Officially with version 3.0. But the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB package maintainers. Oh my, Mathias, thank you for mentioning this. 10 seconds later and one less wart

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread CJ van den Berg
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 05:36:48PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: Marc Wilson wrote: Whenever *I* go back to my folder list, new is clearly marked. Just wait, it won't. Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is probably mounted noatime. Mutt uses the filesystem's atime to determine

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Marc. […] the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB package maintainers. And what arcana are necessary to make it *work*, other than installing Enigmail and Reply-To-List? All of Debian's mailing lists include List-Post:, but none of them are apparently

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
CJ van den Berg wrote: Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is probably mounted noatime. Mutt uses the filesystem's atime to determine whether mbox files contain new mail. Uh, since mutt's main display never updated when I was on that screen the display never updated when new

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 8/28/06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It lacks a decent IMAP implementation. Hint, IMAP is not a glorified POP. I know, I use mutt with imap and I don't have problems wiht it. What IMAP features do you miss? If you pardon my jumping in, gentlemen, I would say that Mutt

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Dmitri Minaev wrote: I use Sylpheed. Not a gem, but suitable, especially with full keyboard control. I could live with TB, too, but I was too annoyed by its' inability to copy a sent message to 'Sent' IMAP folder (recent messages at mozillazine forums show that the problem still persists...)

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 8/29/06, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dmitri Minaev wrote: I use Sylpheed. Not a gem, but suitable, especially with full keyboard control. I could live with TB, too, but I was too annoyed by its' inability to copy a sent message to 'Sent' IMAP folder (recent messages at mozillazine

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: CJ van den Berg wrote: Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is probably mounted noatime. Mutt uses the filesystem's atime to determine whether mbox files contain new mail. Uh, since mutt's main display never

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Dmitri Minaev wrote: If I don't trust my own eyes, what else do I have to believe? :) I experienced this problem and this experience was the reason to drop (reluctantly, though) Firefox. And I see (http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=2451257) that other people have this problem,

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dmitri Minaev wrote: On 8/28/06, Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] keyboard control. I could live with TB, too, but I was too annoyed by its' inability to copy a sent message to 'Sent' IMAP folder (recent messages at

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread CJ van den Berg
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 06:51:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: CJ van den Berg wrote: Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is probably mounted noatime. Mutt uses the filesystem's atime to determine whether mbox

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dmitri Minaev wrote: On 8/29/06, Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dmitri Minaev wrote: I use Sylpheed. Not a gem, but suitable, especially with full keyboard control. I could live with TB, too, but I was too annoyed by its' inability to

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Pollywog
I did not know Mulberry was still around. I thought it was no longer under development. I was a Sylpheed Claws user until I began using IMAP, then it no longer worked for me, but fortunately kmail has developed into a nice mailer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 CJ van den Berg wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 06:51:39AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steve Lamb wrote: CJ van den Berg wrote: Yes, it will. If it doesn't, then your filesystem is probably mounted

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Dmitri Minaev
On 8/29/06, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? I've been doing that ever since I started using Tbird. Here's a window shot of how I configured Edit-Account Settings: That's exactly what I used to do :( I'll try and switch to 'Other', as Steve has advised. Hope, that'll help. --

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:10:34AM +0200 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Marc. 1) when will thunderbird finally gain reply to list? I could have sworn I saw a patch go by not too long ago somewhere. Officially with version 3.0. But the mentioned patch is included in TB

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Mathias Brodala
Hello Stephen. But the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB package maintainers. It is ? I have that version and I don't see any button to 'reply to list'. What am I missing ? The extension[0]. Regards, Mathias [0]

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 02:36:55PM +0200 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Stephen. But the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB package maintainers. It is ? I have that version and I don't see any button to 'reply to list'. What am I missing ?

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Matej Cepl
Marc Wilson wrote: On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 05:39:56PM -0600, djhack wrote: Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. For all you thunderbird users... My own TB pet-peeve -- when will TB be able to filter with RegExps? (at least plugin would help) Matěj -- GPG

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Andrei Popescu
Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 02:36:55PM +0200 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Stephen. But the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB package maintainers. It is ? I have that version and I don't see any button

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Matej Cepl
Marc Wilson wrote: I'm still trying to figure this one out. You think filtering belongs on the client, yet you read mail from multiple locations and use IMAP. How do you reconcile the two? Use offlineimap everywhere? Take a look at imapfilter. Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matej Cepl wrote: Marc Wilson wrote: On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 05:39:56PM -0600, djhack wrote: Thunderbird - Copies entire message at reply. Works fine on my box. For all you thunderbird users... My own TB pet-peeve -- when will TB be able to

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Stephen
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 06:25:17PM +0300 or thereabouts, Andrei Popescu wrote: Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 02:36:55PM +0200 or thereabouts, Mathias Brodala wrote: Hello Stephen. But the mentioned patch is included in TB 1.5.0.5 thanks to the TB

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Matej Cepl
Ron Johnson wrote: maildrop is your friend!! (procmail is your enemy.) But of course it presumes an MTA (and usually fetchmail). No, of course, when I need MUT with regexps I have my kmail, but sometimes it could be handy (when Windows happen for example). Matěj -- GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Steve Lamb
Stephen wrote: It is ? I have that version and I don't see any button to 'reply to list'. What am I missing ? Well, the only thing I could ever surmise from the bugzilla discussion about the feature is that they could never decide on exactly how to do it. A button on its own? A drop down

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Gnu-Raiz
Steve Lamb wrote: Other than those pesky privacy issues. Marc Shapiro wrote: I don't want Google, or anyone else for that matter, storing my documents. I'll keep them on my own disk, Thank you, very much. Well at this rate if you live in the US, you won't have to worry about privacy

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Micha Feigin
Looks nice, not too heavy, although it also doesn't support hebrew (can't even see the text not to mention right to left), and it always segfaults on exit. On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 12:18:38 + Pollywog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did not know Mulberry was still around. I thought it was no longer

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ernst-Magne Vindal
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Steve Lamb wrote: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 04:24:00 -0700 From: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Email programs that work. Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:24:13 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Dmitri Minaev

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ernst-Magne Vindal
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Steve Lamb wrote: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 04:53:31 -0700 From: Steve Lamb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Email programs that work. Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:53:38 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Dmitri Minaev

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Ernst-Magne Vindal
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Dmitri Minaev wrote: Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:27:21 +0500 From: Dmitri Minaev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Email programs that work. Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:27:25 -0500 (CDT) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On 8/29/06

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:13:05PM +0500, Dmitri Minaev wrote: Actually, considering the number of tools Mutt uses for work, I suspect that it 'sucks less' just because it does less. You retrieve mail with fetchmail or isync, filter it with procmail, write new messages with vim and send them

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