Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-18 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Friday, 17 Jun 2022 at 21:51, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> I can chose that in my camera's menu (memory, MTP, auto, something else
> I forgot). I chose memory and "download" the stuff with rsync. Works a
> charm.

I can choose the USB connection properties/protocol on my day to day
camera (aka phone) but not on my actual camera that is not a phone.  So
it's "eject card; plug into computer; ..." for me.

For the phone, I don't bother about cables and instead use scp to
transfer photos from it to my computer over the network (running sshd on
the phone)...  but that's another story.

> Oh, I have no DE, so I mount the cam explicitly. I don't like things
> auto-mounting. But I'm weird :)

I guess I'm weird as well then... ;-)  

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Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 06:29:52PM +0100, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Thursday, 16 Jun 2022 at 21:27, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> > I must be missing something here...
> >
> > When I plug in my camera to a US port, it shows up on the desktop, at
> > which point I can mount it.  Then I can access it and copy/move stuff
> > to wherever, using mc or whatever utility you like.  Why is some
> > special program needed for this?
> 
> Unfortunately because many cameras do not implement USB file store
> access, only MTP (media transfer protocol?).  If they provide file store
> access, life is simple.

I can chose that in my camera's menu (memory, MTP, auto, something else
I forgot). I chose memory and "download" the stuff with rsync. Works a
charm.

Oh, I have no DE, so I mount the cam explicitly. I don't like things
auto-mounting. But I'm weird :)

Cheers
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Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 01:09:39PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 17 Jun 2022 at 13:57:00 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

[...]

> > Perhaps I was over-sensitive. My apologies in that case.
> 
> I do not think apologies are necessary. The reminder to attempt
> really helpful and tolerant responses is well taken.

But they aren't wrong, either :-)

Cheers & thanks for helping people
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> 
> -- 
> Brian.
> 


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Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 09:32:43AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 6/17/22 08:25, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 08:05:16AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> > > On 6/17/22 01:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 08:39:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > [...]
> > The point about being poitve and constructive rather than snarky is a more
> > general one.
> > 
> > > > Cheers
> > > I agree 100%. This whole nightmare was started by the installer silently
> > > installing brltty and orca, assuming I was blind just because it found a
> > > plugged in fdti usb<->serial adapter, and by the time I had killed the
> > > noise, the log was still being spammed about 30 lines per keystroke and
> > > the system uptime was in hours. And the reboot was locked up by not 
> > > finding
> > > brltty, so that was about the first 25 re-installs. It was the only way
> > > to reboot.
> > > 
> > Early on in your 25 reinstalls, I and others suggested you unplug the serial
> > leads and try again. Once you were able to do that, you got a more usual
> > install where that option is skipped.
> > 
> > > And I'm catching hell because I didn't trace down my USB tree and unplug
> > > everything during the install.
> > > 
> > As above: you were advised to do this - when you finally did, it worked as
> > expected.

Andrew is right on this one. One has to be fair to both sides,
and it is true that you stubbornly refused to try the advice
offered to you. There always are reasons...

> It also required I put these 87 yo knees on the floor and crawl around
> under the table to trace which cable was which. That gets complex
> when there are over 20 of them and 2 external hubs in 32 years of
> detrius [...]

...possibly valid ones, but railing at the d-i seems unfair: if some
wacko USB device steals the ID of a Braille terminal, there's nothing
the d-i can do about that. Even in doubt, the machine should switch
to assistive tech mode, otherwise a blind person wouldn't stand a
chance. It's a decision you, the engineer, would take exactly that
way, I suppose.

[...]

> I would rebut that it is, the d-i could interrogate and discover that
> whatever was beyond either of those adapters was not a braille tty.
> But no, it finds the adapter and assumes its feeding a braille tty.

But that's exactly what it does. That's what those USB IDs are for.
Most probably one of those USB-serial adapters is lying through its
pins. Another possibility is that the database UDEV consults is
wrong. An lsusb might shed light on that. But not railing at things
and people :)

Cheers
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Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread gene heskett

On 6/17/22 12:40, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:

On Thursday 16 June 2022 09:45:21 pm gene heskett wrote:

I must be missing something here...

When I plug in my camera to a US port,  it shows up on the desktop,  at which 
point I can mount it.  Then I can access it and copy/move stuff to wherever,  
using mc or whatever utility you like.  Why is some special program needed for 
this?

Probably the desktop Roy, I'm using xfce4.


So am I...


Humm, bears investigating, in due time. Thanks Roy.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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 - Louis D. Brandeis



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Thursday, 16 Jun 2022 at 21:27, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:
> I must be missing something here...
>
> When I plug in my camera to a US port, it shows up on the desktop, at
> which point I can mount it.  Then I can access it and copy/move stuff
> to wherever, using mc or whatever utility you like.  Why is some
> special program needed for this?

Unfortunately because many cameras do not implement USB file store
access, only MTP (media transfer protocol?).  If they provide file store
access, life is simple.

-- 
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Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread Curt
On 2022-06-17, gene heskett  wrote:
>>
>> When I plug in my camera to a US port,  it shows up on the desktop,
>> at which point I can mount it.  Then I can access it and copy/move
>> stuff to wherever,  using mc or whatever utility you like.  Why is
>> some special program needed for this?

> Probably the desktop Roy, I'm using xfce4.


I would like to point out my simple technique for exchanging files with
other devices on the same LAN. I haven't been following these very Proustian
threads of yours (Proustian in terms of *length*), so I'm unaware how many
photos you're wanting to download from your phone (this solution may not
scale for the movement of a great number of files), but 

snapdrop.net 

in a browser on both the sending and receiving device has worked for me
here on occasion (of course, as you're well aware, I don't adhere to the
high hacker standards of some of our more venerable correspondents).

It all happens locally with Javascript, if ever you would want to try it out.

À bientôt,

C

> Cheers, Gene Heskett.





Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 16 June 2022 09:45:21 pm gene heskett wrote:
> > I must be missing something here...
> >
> > When I plug in my camera to a US port,  it shows up on the desktop,  at 
> > which point I can mount it.  Then I can access it and copy/move stuff to 
> > wherever,  using mc or whatever utility you like.  Why is some special 
> > program needed for this?
> Probably the desktop Roy, I'm using xfce4.
> 

So am I...

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Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread gene heskett

On 6/17/22 08:25, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 08:05:16AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:

On 6/17/22 01:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 08:39:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:

[...]

The point about being poitve and constructive rather than snarky is a more
general one.


Cheers

I agree 100%. This whole nightmare was started by the installer silently
installing brltty and orca, assuming I was blind just because it found a
plugged in fdti usb<->serial adapter, and by the time I had killed the
noise, the log was still being spammed about 30 lines per keystroke and
the system uptime was in hours. And the reboot was locked up by not finding
brltty, so that was about the first 25 re-installs. It was the only way
to reboot.


Early on in your 25 reinstalls, I and others suggested you unplug the serial
leads and try again. Once you were able to do that, you got a more usual
install where that option is skipped.


And I'm catching hell because I didn't trace down my USB tree and unplug
everything during the install.


As above: you were advised to do this - when you finally did, it worked as
expected.

It also required I put these 87 yo knees on the floor and crawl around
under the table to trace which cable was which. That gets complex
when there are over 20 of them and 2 external hubs in 32 years of
detrius because the i-robot can't even get thru the door into this childs
bedroom I appropriated for a den in '89 when I married the owner of
this house. We had 31 great years, but her ashes are in a pretty vase, 
sitting

on her piano now. COPD is not a gentle way to die, I was there.

I squawk about the d-i and the reaction here was as if I had gored and
killed the last ox on the planet.

It's not d-i's fault in that sense - it's an interaction between serial
device detection and the need for a braille TTY - but that's tickles a
fairly small subset of installs at best. You happened to fall foul of it
and a simple solution that you could carry out - because you are sighted -
resolved it for you.

I would rebut that it is, the d-i could interrogate and discover that
whatever was beyond either of those adapters was not a braille tty.
But no, it finds the adapter and assumes its feeding a braille tty.

Bad dog, no biscuit.

I never went any where near that line in the installers menu on any of
those installs. I have met, on a different mailing list, the person that
was done for, and have not mentioned the frustration this has caused me
to him. He has enough chutzpah for 10 folks, trying to run OpenSCAD by
listening to orca in German which I assume it speaks better than the
broken English it used for me. I can do nothing but admire him for trying...

He, I'm sure, did not ask to be blinded. I, likewise, did not ask to be
frustrated. This last install I chose not to install kde, intending to
install tde, but it will not install on bullseye. Broken dependencies.


Take that up with the TDE folks - we can't help you, though if you were better
able to show us exactly what you mean, one of us might try.

Its been reported on their list. I am far from the only one complaining.
But it does work for some, so the magic twanger hasn't been found yet.
TDE is not the only failure. What is now linuxcnc was originally an NIST
project to modernize american manufacturing in the '60's, named EMC
then but the accounting firm claimed copyright so it had to be renamed,
originally public domain, but now rewritten largely in  python, but python3
is moving so fast since Guido stepped away that we can't keep up with it.
Works on buster just fine, with a realtime kernel of course.

We, the linux people are not fixing bugs, but adding more bugs in the
name of eye candy.


You did write earlier that you'd managed to install GNOME as well as xfce

gnome environment, but not one of its desktops, the environment is
installed.

That was install #31,

So I chose xfce4 for #32 because it runs fine on 5 other machines here.
And digikam, if I boot from the other drive, also with 11-3 on it, but
running kde, works flawlessly there. But despite pulling in 261 other
bit and pieces of kde on this drive when it was told to install digikam,
apt did not pull in enough dependencies to make importing from a camera
work. I had to pull the battery, then the card and plug it into a reader,
find it in gimp, load and save the picture I wanted someplace else. So
I got the pix I wanted.

I built this machine to use, not fight with a broken installer and now
the package manager. Is there some option I can set in synaptic to make
it fully resolve the missing dependencies?

The installer isn't broken - without sight of the dependencies we can't
help, I think. I understand the frustration - I really do - but the
rest of us following on the list need information that isn't forthcoming
in order to be more helpful. Sometimes you might have to resort to
a command line apt/apt-get or aptitude to resolve whether or not synaptic
is at fault in the 

Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 08:05:16AM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 6/17/22 01:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 08:39:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > [...]

The point about being poitve and constructive rather than snarky is a more
general one.

> > 
> > Cheers
> I agree 100%. This whole nightmare was started by the installer silently
> installing brltty and orca, assuming I was blind just because it found a
> plugged in fdti usb<->serial adapter, and by the time I had killed the
> noise, the log was still being spammed about 30 lines per keystroke and
> the system uptime was in hours. And the reboot was locked up by not finding
> brltty, so that was about the first 25 re-installs. It was the only way
> to reboot.
>

Early on in your 25 reinstalls, I and others suggested you unplug the serial
leads and try again. Once you were able to do that, you got a more usual
install where that option is skipped.

> And I'm catching hell because I didn't trace down my USB tree and unplug
> everything during the install.
> 

As above: you were advised to do this - when you finally did, it worked as
expected.

> I squawk about the d-i and the reaction here was if I had gored and
> killed the last ox on the planet.
> 

It's not d-i's fault in that sense - it's an interaction between serial
device detection and the need for a braille TTY - but that's tickles a 
fairly small subset of installs at best. You happened to fall foul of it
and a simple solution that you could carry out - because you are sighted -
resolved it for you.

> I never went any where near that line in the installers menu on any of
> those installs. I have met, on a different mailing list, the person that
> was done for, and have not mentioned the frustration this has caused me
> to him. He has enough chutzpah for 10 folks, trying to run OpenSCAD by
> listening to orca in German which I assume it speaks better than the
> broken English it used for me. I can do nothing but admire him for trying...
> 
> He, I'm sure, did not ask to be blinded. I, likewise, did not ask to be
> frustrated. This last install I chose not to install kde, intending to
> install tde, but it will not install on bullseye. Broken dependencies.
> 

Take that up with the TDE folks - we can't help you, though if you were better
able to show us exactly what you mean, one of us might try. 

You did write earlier that you'd managed to install GNOME as well as xfce

> That was install #31,
> 
> So I chose xfce4 for #32 because it runs fine on 5 other machines here.
> And digikam, if I boot from the other drive, also with 11-3 on it, but
> running kde, works flawlessly there. But despite pulling in 261 other
> bit and pieces of kde on this drive when it was told to install digikam,
> apt did not pull in enough dependencies to make importing from a camera
> work. I had to pull the battery, then the card and plug it into a reader,
> find it in gimp, load and save the picture I wanted someplace else. So
> I got the pix I wanted.
> 
> I built this machine to use, not fight with a broken installer and now
> the package manager. Is there some option I can set in synaptic to make
> it fully resolve the missing dependencies?

The installer isn't broken - without sight of the dependencies we can't
help, I think. I understand the frustration - I really do - but the 
rest of us following on the list need information that isn't forthcoming
in order to be more helpful. Sometimes you might have to resort to
a command line apt/apt-get or aptitude to resolve whether or not synaptic
is at fault in the information it's showing you.

> 
> That's today's first question as I strive to make this machine usable.
> Again.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.
> -- 

Cheers - and with every good wish,

Andy Cater

> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> 



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Jun 2022 at 13:57:00 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 12:53:02PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 17 Jun 2022 at 06:59:11 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 08:39:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > Is this the first time you have tried this?
> > > > 
> > > > Go for another 32 times and you could get success :).
> > > > 
> > > > Just a suggestion, in the light of your recent experiences.
> > > 
> > > This is unnecessarily rude. If you can't cope with how some
> > > folks ask for help here (shit happens! -- it happens to me
> > > too), it'd be better to shut up instead of pouring snark on
> > > others. That'd make this a better place.
> > 
> > I thought the smiley wouls have taken the edge off the remark.
> 
> Perhaps I was over-sensitive. My apologies in that case.

I do not think apologies are necessary. The reminder to attempt
really helpful and tolerant responses is well taken.

-- 
Brian.



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread gene heskett

On 6/17/22 01:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 08:39:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:

[...]


Is this the first time you have tried this?

Go for another 32 times and you could get success :).

Just a suggestion, in the light of your recent experiences.

This is unnecessarily rude. If you can't cope with how some
folks ask for help here (shit happens! -- it happens to me
too), it'd be better to shut up instead of pouring snark on
others. That'd make this a better place.

Cheers

I agree 100%. This whole nightmare was started by the installer silently
installing brltty and orca, assuming I was blind just because it found a
plugged in fdti usb<->serial adapter, and by the time I had killed the
noise, the log was still being spammed about 30 lines per keystroke and
the system uptime was in hours. And the reboot was locked up by not finding
brltty, so that was about the first 25 re-installs. It was the only way
to reboot.

And I'm catching hell because I didn't trace down my USB tree and unplug
everything during the install.

I squawk about the d-i and the reaction here was if I had gored and
killed the last ox on the planet.

I never went any where near that line in the installers menu on any of
those installs. I have met, on a different mailing list, the person that
was done for, and have not mentioned the frustration this has caused me
to him. He has enough chutzpah for 10 folks, trying to run OpenSCAD by
listening to orca in German which I assume it speaks better than the
broken English it used for me. I can do nothing but admire him for trying...

He, I'm sure, did not ask to be blinded. I, likewise, did not ask to be
frustrated. This last install I chose not to install kde, intending to
install tde, but it will not install on bullseye. Broken dependencies.

That was install #31,

So I chose xfce4 for #32 because it runs fine on 5 other machines here.
And digikam, if I boot from the other drive, also with 11-3 on it, but
running kde, works flawlessly there. But despite pulling in 261 other
bit and pieces of kde on this drive when it was told to install digikam,
apt did not pull in enough dependencies to make importing from a camera
work. I had to pull the battery, then the card and plug it into a reader,
find it in gimp, load and save the picture I wanted someplace else. So
I got the pix I wanted.

I built this machine to use, not fight with a broken installer and now
the package manager. Is there some option I can set in synaptic to make
it fully resolve the missing dependencies?

That's today's first question as I strive to make this machine usable.
Again.

Thank you.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 12:53:02PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 17 Jun 2022 at 06:59:11 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 08:39:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> > 
> > > Is this the first time you have tried this?
> > > 
> > > Go for another 32 times and you could get success :).
> > > 
> > > Just a suggestion, in the light of your recent experiences.
> > 
> > This is unnecessarily rude. If you can't cope with how some
> > folks ask for help here (shit happens! -- it happens to me
> > too), it'd be better to shut up instead of pouring snark on
> > others. That'd make this a better place.
> 
> I thought the smiley wouls have taken the edge off the remark.

Perhaps I was over-sensitive. My apologies in that case.

Cheers
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Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-17 Thread Brian
On Fri 17 Jun 2022 at 06:59:11 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 08:39:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Is this the first time you have tried this?
> > 
> > Go for another 32 times and you could get success :).
> > 
> > Just a suggestion, in the light of your recent experiences.
> 
> This is unnecessarily rude. If you can't cope with how some
> folks ask for help here (shit happens! -- it happens to me
> too), it'd be better to shut up instead of pouring snark on
> others. That'd make this a better place.

I thought the smiley wouls have taken the edge off the remark.

-- 
Brian.



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 08:39:19PM +0100, Brian wrote:

[...]

> Is this the first time you have tried this?
> 
> Go for another 32 times and you could get success :).
> 
> Just a suggestion, in the light of your recent experiences.

This is unnecessarily rude. If you can't cope with how some
folks ask for help here (shit happens! -- it happens to me
too), it'd be better to shut up instead of pouring snark on
others. That'd make this a better place.

Cheers
-- 
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Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 03:19:38PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I just took a pix of one of my projects to send to a friend, but
> when I had installed digikam to download the pix from my camera,
> going thru the usual steps to access the camera, which it did as
> usual, but when I had selected the pix, and tried o dl it, the album
> selector window was blanked, empty and even when I typed in the
> full path to the desired directory, which has around 20G of pix
> already in /home/gene/Pictures, there was no response to the
> return key aother than the search bar being blacked, the album
> window remains blanked and the ok on the lower right of that
> album window remains ghosted.
> 
> IOW, I cannot download from the camera. How do I go about
> troubleshooting this?

I can't help with Digikam. Usually I just mount the camera
(most of them can pose as USB mass storage these days).

> The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of
> missing this and that despite the installation of digikam
> pulling in:
>  0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 273 MB of archives.
> After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used.
> 
> Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines
> spit out in the shell I launched it from.

Perhaps you might get more help if you could specify some of those
"missing that" a bit more closely. I don't know. WRT to digikam,
most probably not from me, because I keep desktop environments at
a safe distance.

> Its obvious to me there are
> more kde dependencies missing, that just the 261 listed.

If you want some kind of help on that, you'd have to put some
effort into making this "obvious" to us. Why is that obvious
to you?

The package manager seems happy, and these days it tends to
get dependencies right most of the time.

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Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread gene heskett

On 6/16/22 21:23, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote:

On Thursday 16 June 2022 03:19:38 pm gene heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

I just took a pix of one of my projects to send to a friend, but
when I had installed digikam to download the pix from my camera,
going thru the usual steps to access the camera, which it did as
usual, but when I had selected the pix, and tried o dl it, the album
selector window was blanked, empty and even when I typed in the
full path to the desired directory, which has around 20G of pix
already in /home/gene/Pictures, there was no response to the
return key aother than the search bar being blacked, the album
window remains blanked and the ok on the lower right of that
album window remains ghosted.

IOW, I cannot download from the camera. How do I go about
troubleshooting this?

The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of
missing this and that despite the installation of digikam
pulling in:
   0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 273 MB of archives.
After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used.

Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines
spit out in the shell I launched it from.  Its obvious to me there are
more kde dependencies missing, that just the 261 listed. I've tried to
install some of them by the names reported, but that universally does
not exit. And I'd druther not install the rest of kde, its not stable
for me.

Thanks all.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.

I must be missing something here...

When I plug in my camera to a US port,  it shows up on the desktop,  at which 
point I can mount it.  Then I can access it and copy/move stuff to wherever,  
using mc or whatever utility you like.  Why is some special program needed for 
this?

Probably the desktop Roy, I'm using xfce4.


Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Thursday 16 June 2022 03:19:38 pm gene heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> I just took a pix of one of my projects to send to a friend, but
> when I had installed digikam to download the pix from my camera,
> going thru the usual steps to access the camera, which it did as
> usual, but when I had selected the pix, and tried o dl it, the album
> selector window was blanked, empty and even when I typed in the
> full path to the desired directory, which has around 20G of pix
> already in /home/gene/Pictures, there was no response to the
> return key aother than the search bar being blacked, the album
> window remains blanked and the ok on the lower right of that
> album window remains ghosted.
> 
> IOW, I cannot download from the camera. How do I go about
> troubleshooting this?
> 
> The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of
> missing this and that despite the installation of digikam
> pulling in:
>   0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 273 MB of archives.
> After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used.
> 
> Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines
> spit out in the shell I launched it from.  Its obvious to me there are
> more kde dependencies missing, that just the 261 listed. I've tried to
> install some of them by the names reported, but that universally does
> not exit. And I'd druther not install the rest of kde, its not stable
> for me.
> 
> Thanks all.
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett.

I must be missing something here...

When I plug in my camera to a US port,  it shows up on the desktop,  at which 
point I can mount it.  Then I can access it and copy/move stuff to wherever,  
using mc or whatever utility you like.  Why is some special program needed for 
this?

-- 
Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest, most unrelenting -- and
ablest -- form of life in this section of space,  a critter that can
be killed but can't be tamed.  --Robert A. Heinlein, "The Puppet Masters"
-
Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James 
M Dakin



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread gene heskett

On 6/16/22 20:49, Fred wrote:

Hi,
I use this in a script called get_photo for downloading:

#!/bin/sh
gphoto2 --auto-detect --skip-existing -P

Best regards,
Fred 

If that worked it would dl 20 gigs of stuff I've already
dl'd and sorted & renamed. I'd be another week sorting it..
I just needed the last pix. And got it off the card with gimp.

Thanks Fred, take care & stay well.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread Fred

On 6/16/22 13:23, gene heskett wrote:

On 6/16/22 15:42, mick crane wrote:

On 2022-06-16 20:19, gene heskett wrote:


The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of
missing this and that despite the installation of digikam
pulling in:
 0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 273 MB of archives.
After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used.

Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines
spit out in the shell I launched it from.


try gphoto2 ?
if camera is on list
http://gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php
should you not be able to mount it as a filesystem ?
I like geeqie for viewing images.

mick


I installed it, but:
gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt install gphoto2
[sudo] password for gene:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
   libcdk5nc6
Suggested packages:
   gthumb
The following NEW packages will be installed:
   gphoto2 libcdk5nc6
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 320 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,341 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 libcdk5nc6 amd64 
5.0.20180306-3 [129 kB]
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 gphoto2 amd64 
2.5.27-1 [191 kB]

Fetched 320 kB in 0s (858 kB/s)
Selecting previously unselected package libcdk5nc6:amd64.
(Reading database ... 136011 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../libcdk5nc6_5.0.20180306-3_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libcdk5nc6:amd64 (5.0.20180306-3) ...
Selecting previously unselected package gphoto2.
Preparing to unpack .../gphoto2_2.5.27-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking gphoto2 (2.5.27-1) ...
Setting up libcdk5nc6:amd64 (5.0.20180306-3) ...
Setting up gphoto2 (2.5.27-1) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.4-2) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.31-13+deb11u3) ...
-.-.-.
gene@coyote:~$ gphoto2
Usage: gphoto2 [-?qvalLnPTDR] [-?|--help] [--usage] [--debug]
     [--debug-loglevel=STRING] [--debug-logfile=FILENAME] [-q|--quiet]
     [--hook-script=FILENAME] [--stdout] [--stdout-size] 
[--auto-detect]
     [--show-exif=STRING] [--show-info=STRING] [--summary] 
[--manual] [--about]
     [--storage-info] [--shell] [-v|--version] [--list-cameras] 
[--list-ports]
     [-a|--abilities] [--port=FILENAME] [--speed=SPEED] 
[--camera=MODEL]

     [--usbid=USBIDs] [--config] [--list-config] [--list-all-config]
     [--get-config=STRING] [--set-config=STRING] 
[--set-config-index=STRING]
     [--set-config-value=STRING] [--reset] [--keep] [--keep-raw] 
[--no-keep]

     [--wait-event=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or MATCHSTRING]
     [--wait-event-and-download=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or 
MATCHSTRING]
     [--capture-preview] [--show-preview] [-B|--bulb=SECONDS] 
[-F|--frames=COUNT]

     [-I|--interval=SECONDS] [--reset-interval] [--capture-image]
     [--trigger-capture] [--capture-image-and-download]
     [--capture-movie=COUNT or SECONDS] [--capture-sound]
     [--capture-tethered=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or MATCHSTRING]
     [-l|--list-folders] [-L|--list-files] [-m|--mkdir=DIRNAME]
     [-r|--rmdir=DIRNAME] [-n|--num-files] [-p|--get-file=RANGE]
     [-P|--get-all-files] [-t|--get-thumbnail=RANGE] 
[-T|--get-all-thumbnails]
     [--get-metadata=RANGE] [--get-all-metadata] 
[--upload-metadata=STRING]
     [--get-raw-data=RANGE] [--get-all-raw-data] 
[--get-audio-data=RANGE]
     [--get-all-audio-data] [-d|--delete-file=RANGE] 
[-D|--delete-all-files]
     [-u|--upload-file=FILENAME] [--filename=FILENAME_PATTERN] 
[-f|--folder=FOLDER]
     [-R|--recurse] [--no-recurse] [--new] [--force-overwrite] 
[--skip-existing]

gene@coyote:~$


IOW, that didn't work either if its supposed to be gnomes answer to 
digikam.


Next?
Thanks Mick. Take care and stay well.

.



Cheers, Gene Heskett.

Hi,
I use this in a script called get_photo for downloading:

#!/bin/sh
gphoto2 --auto-detect --skip-existing -P

Best regards,
Fred




Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread Frank

On 2022-06-16 16:23, gene heskett wrote:

On 6/16/22 15:42, mick crane wrote:

On 2022-06-16 20:19, gene heskett wrote:


The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of
missing this and that despite the installation of digikam
pulling in:
 0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 273 MB of archives.
After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used.

Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines
spit out in the shell I launched it from.


try gphoto2 ?
if camera is on list
http://gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php
should you not be able to mount it as a filesystem ?
I like geeqie for viewing images.

mick


I installed it, but:
gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt install gphoto2
[sudo] password for gene:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libcdk5nc6
Suggested packages:
  gthumb
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gphoto2 libcdk5nc6
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 320 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,341 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 libcdk5nc6 
amd64 5.0.20180306-3 [129 kB]
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 gphoto2 amd64 
2.5.27-1 [191 kB]

Fetched 320 kB in 0s (858 kB/s)
Selecting previously unselected package libcdk5nc6:amd64.
(Reading database ... 136011 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../libcdk5nc6_5.0.20180306-3_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libcdk5nc6:amd64 (5.0.20180306-3) ...
Selecting previously unselected package gphoto2.
Preparing to unpack .../gphoto2_2.5.27-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking gphoto2 (2.5.27-1) ...
Setting up libcdk5nc6:amd64 (5.0.20180306-3) ...
Setting up gphoto2 (2.5.27-1) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.4-2) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.31-13+deb11u3) ...
-.-.-.
gene@coyote:~$ gphoto2
Usage: gphoto2 [-?qvalLnPTDR] [-?|--help] [--usage] [--debug]
    [--debug-loglevel=STRING] [--debug-logfile=FILENAME] [-q|--quiet]
    [--hook-script=FILENAME] [--stdout] [--stdout-size] 
[--auto-detect]
    [--show-exif=STRING] [--show-info=STRING] [--summary] 
[--manual] [--about]
    [--storage-info] [--shell] [-v|--version] [--list-cameras] 
[--list-ports]
    [-a|--abilities] [--port=FILENAME] [--speed=SPEED] 
[--camera=MODEL]

    [--usbid=USBIDs] [--config] [--list-config] [--list-all-config]
    [--get-config=STRING] [--set-config=STRING] 
[--set-config-index=STRING]
    [--set-config-value=STRING] [--reset] [--keep] [--keep-raw] 
[--no-keep]

    [--wait-event=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or MATCHSTRING]
    [--wait-event-and-download=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or 
MATCHSTRING]
    [--capture-preview] [--show-preview] [-B|--bulb=SECONDS] 
[-F|--frames=COUNT]

    [-I|--interval=SECONDS] [--reset-interval] [--capture-image]
    [--trigger-capture] [--capture-image-and-download]
    [--capture-movie=COUNT or SECONDS] [--capture-sound]
    [--capture-tethered=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or MATCHSTRING]
    [-l|--list-folders] [-L|--list-files] [-m|--mkdir=DIRNAME]
    [-r|--rmdir=DIRNAME] [-n|--num-files] [-p|--get-file=RANGE]
    [-P|--get-all-files] [-t|--get-thumbnail=RANGE] 
[-T|--get-all-thumbnails]
    [--get-metadata=RANGE] [--get-all-metadata] 
[--upload-metadata=STRING]
    [--get-raw-data=RANGE] [--get-all-raw-data] 
[--get-audio-data=RANGE]
    [--get-all-audio-data] [-d|--delete-file=RANGE] 
[-D|--delete-all-files]
    [-u|--upload-file=FILENAME] [--filename=FILENAME_PATTERN] 
[-f|--folder=FOLDER]
    [-R|--recurse] [--no-recurse] [--new] [--force-overwrite] 
[--skip-existing]

gene@coyote:~$





You've obviously got GThumb installed - it **usually** comes with the 
Gthumb photo import

tool which I suspect uses the GPhoto2 library(s).

Check with apt whether it's a separate download. I use it all the time
except when I am in Mate when the Caja file manager loads up my camera
automatically. Do you have any desktop  like Gnome or Mate ?




Re: digikam import fails [solved workaround]

2022-06-16 Thread gene heskett

On 6/16/22 16:40, mick crane wrote:

On 2022-06-16 21:23, gene heskett wrote:
[...]

Thanks Mick. Take care and stay well.


It's ages since I did anything with cameras.
In the past I've taken the card out and put it in a reader
does "gphoto2 --auto-detect" do anything ?

--list-cameras does not list my Canon SK 420, which is a
pretty decent camera, but under 2 years old.

So I took out the battery and put it in the charger then pulled
the card, found it in gimp, read it in, and smunched most of
the quality away getting it under half a meg in jpeg.  I'd post
it here, but the server would puke all over itself rejecting it.
So until we figure out what digikam is missing this problem
is solved.


mick


it detect a default camera that is gone when I turn it off,
but does not identify it as the Cannon SK420 it is.
whats next then? If it can do a dir, I need the newest pix in it.
But see above, I pulled the card and read it in gimp.

Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread mick crane

On 2022-06-16 21:23, gene heskett wrote:


gene@coyote:~$ gphoto2
Usage: gphoto2 [-?qvalLnPTDR] [-?|--help] [--usage] [--debug]
    [--debug-loglevel=STRING] [--debug-logfile=FILENAME] 
[-q|--quiet]
    [--hook-script=FILENAME] [--stdout] [--stdout-size] 
[--auto-detect]

    [--show-exif=STRING] [--show-info=STRING] [--summary]
[--manual] [--about]
    [--storage-info] [--shell] [-v|--version] [--list-cameras]
[--list-ports]
    [-a|--abilities] [--port=FILENAME] [--speed=SPEED] 
[--camera=MODEL]

    [--usbid=USBIDs] [--config] [--list-config] [--list-all-config]
    [--get-config=STRING] [--set-config=STRING] 
[--set-config-index=STRING]
    [--set-config-value=STRING] [--reset] [--keep] [--keep-raw] 
[--no-keep]

    [--wait-event=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or MATCHSTRING]
    [--wait-event-and-download=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or 
MATCHSTRING]

    [--capture-preview] [--show-preview] [-B|--bulb=SECONDS]
[-F|--frames=COUNT]
    [-I|--interval=SECONDS] [--reset-interval] [--capture-image]
    [--trigger-capture] [--capture-image-and-download]
    [--capture-movie=COUNT or SECONDS] [--capture-sound]
    [--capture-tethered=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or 
MATCHSTRING]

    [-l|--list-folders] [-L|--list-files] [-m|--mkdir=DIRNAME]
    [-r|--rmdir=DIRNAME] [-n|--num-files] [-p|--get-file=RANGE]
    [-P|--get-all-files] [-t|--get-thumbnail=RANGE]
[-T|--get-all-thumbnails]
    [--get-metadata=RANGE] [--get-all-metadata] 
[--upload-metadata=STRING]
    [--get-raw-data=RANGE] [--get-all-raw-data] 
[--get-audio-data=RANGE]
    [--get-all-audio-data] [-d|--delete-file=RANGE] 
[-D|--delete-all-files]

    [-u|--upload-file=FILENAME] [--filename=FILENAME_PATTERN]
[-f|--folder=FOLDER]
    [-R|--recurse] [--no-recurse] [--new] [--force-overwrite]
[--skip-existing]
gene@coyote:~$


IOW, that didn't work either if its supposed to be gnomes answer to 
digikam.


Next?
Thanks Mick. Take care and stay well.


It's ages since I did anything with cameras.
In the past I've taken the card out and put it in a reader
does "gphoto2 --auto-detect" do anything ?

mick



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread gene heskett

On 6/16/22 15:42, mick crane wrote:

On 2022-06-16 20:19, gene heskett wrote:


The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of
missing this and that despite the installation of digikam
pulling in:
 0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 273 MB of archives.
After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used.

Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines
spit out in the shell I launched it from.


try gphoto2 ?
if camera is on list
http://gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php
should you not be able to mount it as a filesystem ?
I like geeqie for viewing images.

mick


I installed it, but:
gene@coyote:~$ sudo apt install gphoto2
[sudo] password for gene:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libcdk5nc6
Suggested packages:
  gthumb
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  gphoto2 libcdk5nc6
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 320 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1,341 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 libcdk5nc6 amd64 
5.0.20180306-3 [129 kB]
Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 gphoto2 amd64 
2.5.27-1 [191 kB]

Fetched 320 kB in 0s (858 kB/s)
Selecting previously unselected package libcdk5nc6:amd64.
(Reading database ... 136011 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../libcdk5nc6_5.0.20180306-3_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking libcdk5nc6:amd64 (5.0.20180306-3) ...
Selecting previously unselected package gphoto2.
Preparing to unpack .../gphoto2_2.5.27-1_amd64.deb ...
Unpacking gphoto2 (2.5.27-1) ...
Setting up libcdk5nc6:amd64 (5.0.20180306-3) ...
Setting up gphoto2 (2.5.27-1) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.9.4-2) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.31-13+deb11u3) ...
-.-.-.
gene@coyote:~$ gphoto2
Usage: gphoto2 [-?qvalLnPTDR] [-?|--help] [--usage] [--debug]
    [--debug-loglevel=STRING] [--debug-logfile=FILENAME] [-q|--quiet]
    [--hook-script=FILENAME] [--stdout] [--stdout-size] [--auto-detect]
    [--show-exif=STRING] [--show-info=STRING] [--summary] 
[--manual] [--about]
    [--storage-info] [--shell] [-v|--version] [--list-cameras] 
[--list-ports]

    [-a|--abilities] [--port=FILENAME] [--speed=SPEED] [--camera=MODEL]
    [--usbid=USBIDs] [--config] [--list-config] [--list-all-config]
    [--get-config=STRING] [--set-config=STRING] 
[--set-config-index=STRING]
    [--set-config-value=STRING] [--reset] [--keep] [--keep-raw] 
[--no-keep]

    [--wait-event=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or MATCHSTRING]
    [--wait-event-and-download=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or 
MATCHSTRING]
    [--capture-preview] [--show-preview] [-B|--bulb=SECONDS] 
[-F|--frames=COUNT]

    [-I|--interval=SECONDS] [--reset-interval] [--capture-image]
    [--trigger-capture] [--capture-image-and-download]
    [--capture-movie=COUNT or SECONDS] [--capture-sound]
    [--capture-tethered=COUNT, SECONDS, MILLISECONDS or MATCHSTRING]
    [-l|--list-folders] [-L|--list-files] [-m|--mkdir=DIRNAME]
    [-r|--rmdir=DIRNAME] [-n|--num-files] [-p|--get-file=RANGE]
    [-P|--get-all-files] [-t|--get-thumbnail=RANGE] 
[-T|--get-all-thumbnails]
    [--get-metadata=RANGE] [--get-all-metadata] 
[--upload-metadata=STRING]
    [--get-raw-data=RANGE] [--get-all-raw-data] 
[--get-audio-data=RANGE]
    [--get-all-audio-data] [-d|--delete-file=RANGE] 
[-D|--delete-all-files]
    [-u|--upload-file=FILENAME] [--filename=FILENAME_PATTERN] 
[-f|--folder=FOLDER]
    [-R|--recurse] [--no-recurse] [--new] [--force-overwrite] 
[--skip-existing]

gene@coyote:~$


IOW, that didn't work either if its supposed to be gnomes answer to digikam.

Next?
Thanks Mick. Take care and stay well.

.



Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Jun 2022 at 20:39:55 +0100, mick crane wrote:

> On 2022-06-16 20:19, gene heskett wrote:
> 
> > The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of
> > missing this and that despite the installation of digikam
> > pulling in:
> >  0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> > Need to get 273 MB of archives.
> > After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used.
> > 
> > Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines
> > spit out in the shell I launched it from.
> 
> try gphoto2 ?

The OP wants to use digikam. You have no advice on that?

> if camera is on list
> http://gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php
> should you not be able to mount it as a filesystem ?

> I like geeqie for viewing images.

That really nice to know. It sorts out the digikam issue?

-- 
Brian.



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread mick crane

On 2022-06-16 20:19, gene heskett wrote:


The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of
missing this and that despite the installation of digikam
pulling in:
 0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 273 MB of archives.
After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used.

Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines
spit out in the shell I launched it from.


try gphoto2 ?
if camera is on list
http://gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php
should you not be able to mount it as a filesystem ?
I like geeqie for viewing images.

mick



Re: digikam import fails

2022-06-16 Thread Brian
On Thu 16 Jun 2022 at 15:19:38 -0400, gene heskett wrote:

> Greetings all;
> 
> I just took a pix of one of my projects to send to a friend, but
> when I had installed digikam to download the pix from my camera,
> going thru the usual steps to access the camera, which it did as
> usual, but when I had selected the pix, and tried o dl it, the album
> selector window was blanked, empty and even when I typed in the
> full path to the desired directory, which has around 20G of pix
> already in /home/gene/Pictures, there was no response to the
> return key aother than the search bar being blacked, the album
> window remains blanked and the ok on the lower right of that
> album window remains ghosted.
> 
> IOW, I cannot download from the camera. How do I go about
> troubleshooting this?
> 
> The shell I ran digikam from is reporting screens full of
> missing this and that despite the installation of digikam
> pulling in:
>  0 upgraded, 261 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 273 MB of archives.
> After this operation, 726 MB of additional disk space will be used.
> 
> Then when I run it, there are hundred of missing that and than lines
> spit out in the shell I launched it from.  Its obvious to me there are
> more kde dependencies missing, that just the 261 listed. I've tried to
> install some of them by the names reported, but that universally does
> not exit. And I'd druther not install the rest of kde, its not stable
> for me.

Is this the first time you have tried this?

Go for another 32 times and you could get success :).

Just a suggestion, in the light of your recent experiences.

-- 
Brian.