Re: Bikeshedding

2019-04-01 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 19-04-01 18 h 18, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > On Mon 2019-04-01 15:17:27 -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: >> On 19-03-31 03 h 39, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >>> >>> Statement: every Debian package must be maintained in Git on salsa and >>> every Debian Developer with upload rights to the

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-04-01 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On Mon 2019-04-01 15:17:27 -0400, Louis-Philippe Véronneau wrote: > On 19-03-31 03 h 39, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >> >> Statement: every Debian package must be maintained in Git on salsa and >> every Debian Developer with upload rights to the archive should have >> commit/push right to every

Re: Are Martin and Sam's platforms equivalent?

2019-04-01 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Sun 31 Mar 2019 at 09:46PM +02, Jonathan Carter wrote: > Well, maybe you and I just fundamentally disagree on this one then. My > point was that if only 10 more DD's each took care of one more > sponsorship request of the last month, we'd now basically efficiently > have no backlog. As

Re: Q to all candidates: should we have more ports?

2019-04-01 Thread Jonathan Carter
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2019/04/01 22:53, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I'm surprised that most candidates gave it real consideration. I'm > sure they were simply trying their best to remain polite in the > face of someone asking something stupid :-) If you read my response

Re: Q: Do you believe in Supercow?

2019-04-01 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/04/01 22:02, David Kalnischkies wrote: > Hello DPL Candidates and fellow party-people, Greeting to you, too. > Debian's favorite package manager little sweet APT turned 21 today[0] > and while looking into collecting stats for the 2019 update of the "APT > for DPL Candidates"[1] article

Re: Q to all candidates: should we have more ports?

2019-04-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
So, now that all candidates have answered... On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 01:55:37PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > Specifically today, These two words were meant to be a reference to today's date. > should we try to make Debian usable on any of the operating system kernels > that I quoted above?

Re: Q to all candidates: mutual communcation and decision-making tools

2019-04-01 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hey Jonas (sorry for breaking threading, I somehow didn't get the original so had to paste from list archives) > Do you have concrete plans to improve the mutual/two-way communication > between the DPL and the rest of the project? Monthly bits from the DPL > are already helpful, but they're

Q: Do you believe in Supercow?

2019-04-01 Thread David Kalnischkies
Hello DPL Candidates and fellow party-people, Debian's favorite package manager little sweet APT turned 21 today[0] and while looking into collecting stats for the 2019 update of the "APT for DPL Candidates"[1] article as stats about the prospective DPLs seem to be in demand[2] I had to wonder

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-04-01 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Jelmer On 2019/04/01 11:00, Jelmer Vernooij wrote: >> In general, I think so. I'm unsure about the first "must" though, I tend >> to like that we're not so rigid and inflexible in our policies that we >> can't cater for a few exceptions. For example, I could understand that >> packagers of a

Re: Debian presence on newer platforms

2019-04-01 Thread Jonas Meurer
Hi Alex, Alexander Wirt: >>> And I tested hyperkitty some time ago with our archive and it was >>> unusable slow. >> >> Interesting. I wonder how Fedora deals with this. I haven't used their >> archives extensively, but from quick tests it appeared to be quite >> responsive. > > One question that

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-04-01 Thread Louis-Philippe Véronneau
On 19-03-31 03 h 39, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > Statement: every Debian package must be maintained in Git on salsa and > every Debian Developer with upload rights to the archive should have > commit/push right to every packaging repository on salsa. I'm curious to how this would be

Re: Q to all candidates: mutual communcation and decision-making tools

2019-04-01 Thread Sam Hartman
I think I've covered my approaches to communication fairly well in my platform and in previous messages already. I agree with you that fixer teams/delegations--targeted agreements between the project and a group of people working on a task--can be valuable tools. I also agree that the Bits from

Q to all candidates: mutual communcation and decision-making tools

2019-04-01 Thread Jonas Meurer
Hey all, Do you have concrete plans to improve the mutual/two-way communication between the DPL and the rest of the project? Monthly bits from the DPL are already helpful, but they're mostly a one-way communication so far. I don't mean private communication between the DPL and particular

Re: Q to all candidates: should we have more ports?

2019-04-01 Thread Jonathan Carter
Hi Wouter On 2019/04/01 13:55, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > One thing that Debian has historically been good at, is to produce ports > for various architectures. However, we're not the most widely ported; > Gentoo, for instance, has been ported to Interix and macOS[1]. NetBSD > has a few ports that

Re: Q: top three things you would like to change if that was easy?

2019-04-01 Thread Jonathan Carter
On 2019/04/01 18:42, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Which brings me to a question to the DPL candidates: > > We all know that discussions about changing practices or procedures > inside Debian are long and difficult: there are many very opinionated > DDs, it's difficult to measure consensus, etc. > >

Re: Q to all candidates: increase diversity with DDs outside Europe and USA

2019-04-01 Thread Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana
Hi, On 4/1/19 9:35 AM, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > > There are a number of reasons why many FOSS contributors are from > "developed"/"Western" nations, e.g. time, access to computers, > Internet, language, etc. There are also cultural reasons, e.g. in > particular in some Asian countries it's

Q: top three things you would like to change if that was easy?

2019-04-01 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 31/03/19 at 09:39 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 11:38:43PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > And less "I'm the package maintainer, this is my castle, go away" and > > more "This is how the majority does it, you follow, the benefit of it > > being one way, not a dozen

Re: Q to all candidates: increase diversity with DDs outside Europe and USA

2019-04-01 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 07:35:56PM +0700, Martin Michlmayr wrote: >... > The DPL can encourage an inclusive community and cultural > understanding. Just creating more awareness about stumbling blocks > that people face helps because it many cases people simply have no > idea (e.g. the visa issue

Re: Q to all candidates: should we have more ports?

2019-04-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15359 March 1977, Wouter Verhelst wrote: Should we try to catch up with these other systems in terms of ports? Specifically today, should we try to make Debian usable on any of the operating system kernels that I quoted above? While it is nice to have many ports, "We have the most" is not

Re: Q to all candidates: should we have more ports?

2019-04-01 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Wouter" == Wouter Verhelst writes: Wouter> Hi all, One thing that Debian has historically been good at, Wouter> is to produce ports for various architectures. However, Wouter> we're not the most widely ported; Gentoo, for instance, has Wouter> been ported to Interix and

Re: Q to all candidates: increase diversity with DDs outside Europe and USA

2019-04-01 Thread Martin Michlmayr
(I'll turn your questions around) * Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana [2019-03-30 13:51]: > It's important increase diversity in Debian with DD especially from > southern hemisphere, right? I believe it's important, yes. I actually had a phone call about this topic last week with a researcher

Re: Q to all candidates: should we have more ports?

2019-04-01 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Wouter Verhelst [2019-04-01 13:55]: > One thing that Debian has historically been good at, is to produce ports > for various architectures. However, we're not the most widely ported; ... > macOS, HPUX, IRIX, AIX, QNX, and Solaris[2]. > > Should we try to catch up with these other systems in

Q to all candidates: should we have more ports?

2019-04-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi all, One thing that Debian has historically been good at, is to produce ports for various architectures. However, we're not the most widely ported; Gentoo, for instance, has been ported to Interix and macOS[1]. NetBSD has a few ports that we do not have, and its pkgsrc is available for a

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-04-01 Thread Jelmer Vernooij
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 10:42:10AM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2019/03/31 09:39, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 11:38:43PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> And less "I'm the package maintainer, this is my castle, go away" and > >> more "This is how the majority does

Re: Bikeshedding

2019-04-01 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 15359 March 1977, Russ Allbery wrote: I agree with what you are saying here. However, I am concerned that the "push == automatic package upload" idea may be a step too far in some cases. I assume this would only happen if you push a signed tag. I wouldn't want every random commit I push