Hello everybody,
thank you for preparing this!
Quick comments form somebody who does not have the time to follow
debian-vote:
"make the best system we can": Maybe this is a good opportunity to point
at our social contract, to show to the readers who have no idea what
Debian is how important
accepted.
In brief, everything good (and everything bad) that "more turnover" is
expected to bring in most of social structures where we evolve outside
Debian.
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a nice day,
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On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 03:34:09PM -0700, Sam Hartman wrote:
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> My take is there's not currently enough support on debian-vote to bring
> it to a vote.
> I'd want to see several additional people express support on debian-vote
> before I'd feel comfortable proposing a GR.
Hi Sam,
thank you
bates on debian-vote, and with too many options, possibly all written
in different styles, there is an increased risk of voting for the
contrary of what we want.
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sense to limit the total number of sponsors, and
to only allow developers to sponsor one option ?
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I agree for the GR vote to be secret. I understand others came to a
different conclusion. I trust Kurt for making the right decision. I
will not complain about it.
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for being simplistic. This said, I think
it is time to vote anonymously.
I am looking forward reading your anwers !
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ty" at the URL above. Is there an
explanation somehere why the supermajority is needed for this GR ? Or is that
a cut-paste-accident while also working on the constitutional change ?
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anything. But if the DPL could
put a little bit of formal involvement into helping the TC to have women
members, I think that it would be a great signal.
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the current proposal to ensure more rotations by
pairs).
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some of the procedural burden to the people proposing and
amending general resolutions.
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I understand that changing the Consitituion is hard, but since there are other
general changes under discussion, maybe there is an opportunity to bundle the
most consensual ones...
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Le Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 05:22:39PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum a écrit :
Charles, Luca, can you confirm that you are also fine with shortening
the discussion period to one week?
I am fine with shortening it.
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can not beleive I spent an hour writing this short text; I hope it is my last
email related to this GR.]
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the consequence of the vote will
strongly depend on how the text is interpreted is anti-democratic in Debian).
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not have a clear and realistic action plan (that is, no
wishful thinking) to stop complaining.
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Le Sat, Oct 18, 2014 at 05:31:28PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs a écrit :
Charles Plessy:
This is why I am proposing this amendement, to say: “this GR was a bad idea,
please do not do it again”.
I would not regard it as an amendment, but as a separate alternative option
on the ballot. If I
Le Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 12:37:19PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs a écrit :
Charles Plessy:
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The Debian project asks its members to be more considerate when proposing
General Resolutions, and in particular to take care
the outcome of the vote.
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of the Debian distribution. In any case,
a quick inspection of the Debian copyright files in the “packages-metadata”
repository show that the field is also being used for other purposes.
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be a good thing.
Hi Lucas and Neil,
without DPL, there would be no DPL delegations. I have a question for you
related to delegations.
When a delegate is completely inactive as a delegate, do you think that his
delegation should be renewed ?
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Hello everybody,
since it does not seem like we are going to vote, could you find
another place for that discussion ?
(Of course, please avoid debian-devel and debian-project; thanks in advance)
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Le Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 08:39:52PM +0100, Guillem Jover a écrit :
This is the revised draft GR proposal (please see below); I'm looking
for sponsors now.
Hi Guillem,
if the result of the current TC vote is « further discussion », then I will
second your GR. In the meantime, it is probably
Le Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 04:14:41AM +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 09:58:14AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
In that case, I think that the project should decide via using this or that
system (“vote with the feet”). For the packages where init scripts
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Le Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 04:26:16PM -0800, Steve Langasek a écrit :
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 08:58:08AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
We have a default init system that has the Essential flag, and it is
impossible to switch to alternatives without going through a very strong
warning
remember to never talk about a lot of
things that should never have been private in the first place.
If this has not changed, is that something that the DPL candidates would
like to tackle ? (Bonus question to the DPL candidates: are you subscribed
to debian-private ?)
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2104. All of this without reducing my contribution
in terms of patches, but only rotating who is responsible for committing them.
So can you clarify how proactive you intend to be in terms of promoting rotation
for the existing delegations ?
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Le Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 10:15:32AM +0100, Gergely Nagy a écrit :
Do you see a particular problem, or shortcoming, perhaps, that you'd
like to see solved?
Hi all,
the problem I was trying to solve was to find more differences between the
candidates :) For instance, one of you might have
Hi all,
I propose that either the discussion is reshaped to be more interactive with
the candidates, or it is moved to another channel where a broader participation
is expected.
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nobody claims responsibility for what is written in).
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Le Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 08:07:40PM +0300, Moray Allan a écrit :
Nevertheless, I think it would be useful for us to have some wider
kind of internship scheme, for the huge proportion of Debian
activity that definitely will not fit under the current GSoC rules.
Hi Moray,
I have a question:
statements about issues of the day means, and what is the
consequence of having issues of the day limiting position statements.
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that all the software we distribute can be used for profit.
I would like to know your position or vision on our trademarks and logos, and,
if you indend to work on that question as a DPL, what would be the key points
of your action.
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Dear Stefano,
I read in your platform that you would like to have core teams of “at least
three members plus assistants”. However this does not take activity into
account. How will you manage with inactive core team members ?
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a wording that would make it difficult to change our
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Le Tue, Sep 14, 2010 mat 06:29:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org writes:
after seeing the torrent of seconds, I am still puzzled if this GR is a
progress or a regression: is the take home message that Debian should be
more open, or that some members must
more neutral, focusing it on
acceptance of new members, without suggesting restriction and therefore
difference of status.
Would such a change be a happy end for everybody ?
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Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:01:47PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:16:00PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
It seems to me that, if “albeit without upload access to the Debian
archive” were removed, it would not close the possibility for the
people in charge
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:02:34PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit :
On 09/15/2010 02:16 PM, Charles Plessy wrote:
Le Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 09:00:32PM +0900, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
The Debian project therefore invites the Debian Account Managers to:
* Endorse the idea
as DDs, even if they to not maintain packages? Would an
amendement be welcome?
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Le Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 02:09:31AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :
The unofficial results are at:
http://master.debian.org/~secretary/leader2010/
The winner is Stefano Zacchiroli.
Dear all,
I would like of course to congratulate Stefano, and wish him a lot of fun.
Stefano has obviously a lot
Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 11:53:47AM -0400, Mike O'Connor a écrit :
It doesn't take long processing NEW to realize that many DDs cannot be
trusted to make sure that all of the code they are uploading is legally
redistributable.
I also think that we need to review the NEW uploads. But this is
Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 09:57:38AM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT a écrit :
Debian project raise it's expectation every year: higher quality, more
package, more architectures, more Desktops, etc... (cool).
How do we face the challenge to do more every year?
What would you do about it, as a DPL?
Hi
Le Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 05:38:09PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
I don't like the underlying intuition that this entails, namely that the
GR proposer is somehow different from the other people which
contribute to the ballot preparation (e.g. seconders and proposers of
the initial and
that would be good every year. But I think that
for next year, action about membership and delegations, and strategical
discussions about how we distribute our work would be very useful. I invite you
to vote for me if you share this feeling.
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Le Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:32:22PM -0600, Gunnar Wolf a écrit :
What would be different if there was no leader? Where would the
project lose more? Would it gain in some aspect?
Hello Gunnar,
Biology shows that complex systems often evolved “leaders”, even when they are
selected or take
Le Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:49:53PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
As a developer, how do you embody the spirit and culture that has made
Debian a great operating system?
If elected DPL, how will you inspire the same in others?
Hi Steve,
we have to inspire each other and the DPL does not
Le Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 06:27:00PM -0500, Kumar Appaiah a écrit :
My question to you is, do you envision a role for the DPL in fixing
such inadequate maintenance of important packages.
Hello Kumar,
for the moment, you have taken the way of the Technical Comitee, and this does
not require the
Le Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:00:05PM -0400, Mike O'Connor a écrit :
You do get to choose the priority and section which your packages belong
to, though the ftp team can override your choice. When we do override
your choice, you get an email inviting discussion about it. I can't
think of any
Le Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:24:50PM -0400, Mike O'Connor a écrit :
The issue I was talking about had nothing to do with software crossing
state lines. It had to do with violating license agreements. I'm not
familiar with any procedures we must do before exporting software that
you are
Le Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 06:47:53AM +0200, Frans Pop a écrit :
Also, it has been claimed we cannot provide any information because
discussions are in private [1]. Do candidates agree to that, or do they
think that a DPL should make clear to parties in advance that the project
will be kept
Hi all,
the question of the core infrastructures is difficult and very important.
Le Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:30:39AM +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
Do you see the diminishing care for our Core infrastructure as a
problem? Do you have any idea how do sensibilize our new blood for the
fact that
Le Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 09:09:43AM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl a écrit :
Suppose that you would not run for DPL: Who would you vote and why?
Hi Alexander,
I would vote for Stefano, because the impressive determination he puts in his
RC-bug of the day marathon suggest that he would do a
Le Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 11:03:00AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit :
I find that attitude problematic. When electing a DPL we get a package
deal. Some of each candidates ideas are liked by some/many, others
disliked by some/many. It would be a shame to throw out good ideas
with bad ones.
Le Mon,
Le Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 01:15:47PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
I don't understand what cloud computing has to do with your idea of
using package priorities to release differently different sub-systems
within Debian. I'm well aware that we are currently lagging behind in
the race for
Hello Bernhard and everybody,
I think that the ‘RPM hell’ that you used to comment my propositions is more
related to a situation when independant distributions are using the same
package format, than when a distribution offers multiple repositories that obey
to a policy that keeps the whole
Le Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 04:13:11PM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit :
Does popcon not already provide a way to order packages based on
importance? rc-alert has both options for sorting bugs by both local
global popcon score.
Hi Paul,
Popcon is definitely a potent indicator, but has its flaws as
Le Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 05:42:24PM -0300, Margarita Manterola a écrit :
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote:
* Do you need to come up with a GR to change membership procedures, or is
there
a different way?
I will cast a GR if I think it is needed
Le Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 02:06:44PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit :
Charles Plessy wrote:
If I am elected DPL, I will re-open the discussion and lead them in a way
that
maximises everybody's contribution, for instance by making pauses if
necessary,
and by posting neutral summaries
* Did you or do you plan to talk to DAM/Frontdesk about membership changes?
Discussion must be public from the start. DAM/Frontdesk is contribution
essential. Your position will be first in the discussion's summary.
* Do you need to come up with a GR to change membership procedures, or is
of core tools like apt and
dpkg by a DPL delegation. But this particular point is not listed in my
platform, and I would not make it a priority. Of course, if maintainers
sponaneously request to become delegates, I will consider their proposition
very seriously :)
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Dear Anthony,
sorry for not keeping up with the answers, this campaign is very intensive !
It is interesting that your question was a kind of mini-experiment. As a
molecular biologist, I like experiments a lot. Below is the draft that I never
sent because I did not find time to add some flesh to
Dear all,
just for the record, I will not answer to insulting or accusatory emails. Some
of them may contain interesting questions or comments, though. Please feel free
to repeat them in a separate message if you also found them interesting.
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Le Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 08:30:03AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs a écrit :
Hi!
I have a question to the candidates: History has shown that DPLs more
or less disappear not too long after their period or at least reduce
their visible efforts immensly. I wonder where you see the reasons for
Le Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:46:22AM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl a écrit :
That opens up for an interesting question: What ways to settle a
conflict with fellow Debian Developers seem proper to you? Do we have
to expect further unspecified ignores from your side should you be
Le Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 08:12:17PM +, Neil McGovern a écrit :
The position of DPL attracts rather a lot of press attention. This at
times will be accusatory, inflamatory and downright rude. Welcome to the
world of journalism.
Do you intend to ignore these, or just ones from developers?
Dear all,
Following the ‘Membership procedures’ GR, discussion on membership were started
after the Lenny release, but eventually stopped. In this thread it was proposed
to trust DDs to nominate other members and I found the idea very interesting.
In order to make it more consensual, there is
for
membership are changed, the concept could be kept as a mentoring system like
the one you propose.
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Le Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 01:01:40PM -0700, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
If we want to change our foundation documents, and remove the
awoval to the concept of being 100% free, or to say that Debian, and
thus the parts of Debian covered by the DFSG, are just the binary bits,
then we
can't we trust ?
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supermajority issues in my platform, since I
think that the main points I propose would keep me busy enough if I am elected.
I would be pleased however if somebody would self-appoint and lead this debate,
if there is the impression that it is needed.
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Le Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 06:49:51PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
Charles:
In your platform, in the Program section, you mention four ideas that
could reasonable be described as being about the things that,
respectively, the DAM and NM frontdesk, the ftp-masters, and the Release
Le Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 01:49:28PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit :
Charles Plessy wrote:
2) I think that the Debian operating system is defined by the interaction
of
its binary version and the source files necessary to use, study,
modifiy and
redistribute it. Non-DFSG-free
?
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. I do not think that it is a bad thing that the comittee is not
elected. Its role is not to proportionaly represent currents of opinion within
Debian, but in contrary to make decisions that reflect the Project's consensus.
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Le Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 07:45:30PM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit :
Hi all,
with 20100124144741.gd13...@kunpuu.plessy.org Charles Plessy came up with a
draft GR Simplification of license and copyright requirements for the Debian
packages..
I'd like to know from Charles Plessy if the draft
will not propose to the chairman of the technical comittee to rotate a member
who has answered to the ping.
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Pop wrote an insightful email on how
the release is also a lot of communication work. If I am elected DPL, I will
emphasise this role in the delegation given to the release managers.
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a completely useless and
aggressive message.
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to do, and that we should trust their judgement
by changing our release strategy instead of maintaining an institution that
opposes people.
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newcomers that when we do not know personnaly the recipient of our messages,
there is a high risk that anything too causal will be misinterpreted.
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and membership process
through my constitutional roles: leadership in discussions, GRs, and
delegations. I expect as a result that the release work will become much more
social than technical, with all participants doing their part of the
housekeeping work.
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think that everybody loses control sometimes in their life, and we should
welcome sincere excuses.
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ends of the
software chain they use, that they chose it because the software is free,
because they trust our Project, and because we provided easy ways to set up
application servers in local communities.
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inertia, and I am not sure that a
team will be more efficient in this than a single person: if we stimulate
Debian in many different directions, the opposite effect can be reached!
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Le Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 02:08:29PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG a écrit :
On Mon, 2010-02-08 at 00:35 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
3) Is there a benefit of allowing non-free files to be distributed together
with the source of the Debian system ?
Have you considered the harm? It means
suffix of the Debian upstream version.
Here is a revised version of the GR proposal (still unsigned to underline that
it is still a draft), that I hope clarifies point 2)
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General resolution: Simplification of license and copyright
is needed.
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General resolution: Simplification of license and copyright requirements for
the Debian packages.
Motion A:
The Debian binary packages contain an exhaustive summary of the licenses of the
files it contains. This summary also
Le Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:42:07AM +, MJ Ray a écrit :
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