Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:31:22PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Here's a generalized example: * Q-1 (or fewer) of the voters vote C as the only acceptable option: C = 1 D = 2 default A = 3 B = 3 * Slightly less than one-half of the remaining voters vote like you. * Slightly more

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-31 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anthony Towns said: excellent analysis snipped Fundamentally, what it requires is for very few people to express full preferences. There're only two reasons for this: one is that most people don't understand the issue, which isn't what happens in Debian; Or at least if people don't understand the

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-31 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:31:22PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: * Q-1 (or fewer) of the voters vote C as the only acceptable option: [see below] * Slightly less than one-half of the remaining voters vote [ A=1, B=4, C= 2, D=2] * Slightly more than one-half of the remaining voters

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-30 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Anthony Towns said: excellent analysis snipped Fundamentally, what it requires is for very few people to express full preferences. There're only two reasons for this: one is that most people don't understand the issue, which isn't what happens in Debian; Or at least if people don't understand

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-30 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:31:22PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: * Q-1 (or fewer) of the voters vote C as the only acceptable option: [see below] * Slightly less than one-half of the remaining voters vote [ A=1, B=4, C= 2, D=2] * Slightly more than one-half of the remaining voters

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:31:22PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Do all these perverse cases also require less than 2Q votes to be cast? Sadly, no. They do require less than Q votes to be cast with A above the default, and nearly all of the other votes to be cast with A equal to

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-28 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:31:22PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Do all these perverse cases also require less than 2Q votes to be cast? Sadly, no. They do require less than Q votes to be cast with A above the default, and nearly all of the other votes to be cast with A equal to

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 27 May 2003 14:02:19 -0400, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I've been trying to construct an example of perverse results of the sort I want (where A beats D, B beats D, A beats B, and B wins because of quorum). All the correct examples (which I can find, anyway) depend on

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-27 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Manoj said: On Tue, 27 May 2003 14:02:19 -0400, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I've been trying to construct an example of perverse results of the sort I want (where A beats D, B beats D, A beats B, and B wins because of quorum). All the correct examples (which I can find, anyway)

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-27 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Tue, 27 May 2003 14:02:19 -0400, Nathanael Nerode [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I've been trying to construct an example of perverse results of the sort I want (where A beats D, B beats D, A beats B, and B wins because of quorum). All the correct examples (which I can find, anyway) depend on

Re: Don't allow ranking of options equal to default?

2003-05-27 Thread Raul Miller
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 06:31:22PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Here's a generalized example: * Q-1 (or fewer) of the voters vote C as the only acceptable option: C = 1 D = 2 default A = 3 B = 3 * Slightly less than one-half of the remaining voters vote like you. * Slightly