On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 08:01:54AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I don't think that the TC is a stress-full role. Obviously the recent past
proved how the role can be incredibly stressful at times. But there has
also been long periods without much activity, [...]
FWIW, I agree with Steve
On 20/11/14 at 08:21 +, Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 08:01:54AM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I don't think that the TC is a stress-full role. Obviously the recent
past
proved how the role can be incredibly stressful at times. But there has
also been long
Watching other volunteer organizations, I've found that having turnover
somewhere between 3-5 years tends to work fairly well.
I've seen this in student organizations where the turnover tends to be
somewhat encouraged by graduation although in the cases I'm thinking of
that did not force the
Hi folks.
A few weeks ago I indicated strong interest in helping drive the term
limits proposal.
I no longer feel comfortable doing that, and also have found something
else that is taking up my Debian energy.
As a result of that message and some other discussions I gained a much
better
Lucas == Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
Lucas (Elaborating on the context a bit given the discussion spread
Lucas over some time -- two options have been proposed: - expire
Lucas the 2 most senior members - expire the 2-R most senior
Lucas members, with R the number of
On Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:33:28 PM Sam Hartman wrote:
Lucas == Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
Lucas (Elaborating on the context a bit given the discussion spread
Lucas over some time -- two options have been proposed: - expire
Lucas the 2 most senior members -
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:33:28PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
While I do think that 4-5 years is a good term length, I do think a
lot of churn can be bad, and 2-r makes a lot of sense to me for the
reason you give above.
Not sure if you've read it Sam, but just in case: I find Phil's example
in
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 08:20:44AM -0500, Scott Kitterman wrote:
Given that we've just had significant turnover in th TC, might it not make
sense to have the first term expirations set for a year or two from now?
That
would keep this discussion well separated from any current turmoil and I
On 2014-11-20, Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote:
I'm also considering whether I want to throw my name in the hat to be
considered as a TC member.
I'd love to throw your name in that hat.
/Sune
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On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 17:59:31 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org said:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:33:28PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
While I do think that 4-5 years is a good term length, I do think a
lot of churn can be bad, and 2-r makes a lot of sense to me for the
reason you give
Hi Phil,
On 19/11/14 at 16:44 +, Philip Hands wrote:
Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
...
The '2-R' schema could even result in an internal TC discussion: OK,
the Project wants us to change two members. Are there people that feel
like resigning now? Or should we just
On 20/11/14 at 13:04 -0500, Hubert Chathi wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 17:59:31 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org said:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:33:28PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
While I do think that 4-5 years is a good term length, I do think a
lot of churn can be bad, and 2-r
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
-5. If the Technical Committee and the Project Leader agree they may
+5. A Developer is not eligible to be (re)appointed to the Technical
+ Committee if they have been a member within the previous 12 months.
+6. If the Technical Committee and the
[private reply on purpose, since I'm not a DD]
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 11:25:10, Josh Triplett wrote:
No Developer may serve on the Technical Committee for more than 4 years
out of any 6 year period. A Developer's term on the Technical Committee
expires if they would exceed this limit.
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 21:43:03, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
[private reply on purpose, since I'm not a DD]
Which I did not, sorry...
Kind regards,
Andrei
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On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:25:10AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
That also eliminates any issues of relative seniority, since we
evaluate each member's term limit in isolation. It also eliminates
any transitional issues, both because we don't link the expiry to any
particular calendar date, and
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
On 20/11/14 at 13:04 -0500, Hubert Chathi wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 17:59:31 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org
said:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:33:28PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
While I do think that 4-5 years is a good term length, I do
Stefano == Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org writes:
Stefano On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 12:33:28PM +, Sam Hartman wrote:
While I do think that 4-5 years is a good term length, I do think
a lot of churn can be bad, and 2-r makes a lot of sense to me for
the reason you give
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:45:11 +0200, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com
said:
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 21:43:03, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
[private reply on purpose, since I'm not a DD]
Which I did not, sorry...
I think you'll find that constructive messages (as yours was) are
generally welcome on
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 05:56:47PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
[ As a more general status update: as it seems that both the 2 and
2-R model has significant support, I'm working on integrating 2-R
in my Git repo as a separate proposal, so that we can easily vote on
both if they both
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:25:10AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
This approach seems like it focuses too much on aggregate committee
turnover, rather than just setting a term limit.
Term limits rather than turnover was what I proposed originally; the
response to that was that people were
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:46:06 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org said:
+++ constitution.2-R.txt 2014-11-20 21:37:17.030425658 +0100
...
+or 0 (if R = 2). R is the number of former members of the
+Technical Committee who have resigned, or been removed or
+
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 07:51:16PM +, Philip Hands wrote:
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
- only resignations from people who would have been expired count in S
FWIW I think either of those deals with the concerns I raised, as it's
going to be way too much effort to game that, and
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
[private reply on purpose, since I'm not a DD]
[Neither am I; replying publically since your reply was actually public.]
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 11:25:10, Josh Triplett wrote:
No Developer may serve on the Technical Committee for more than 4 years
out of any 6 year
Anthony Towns wrote:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 11:25:10AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote:
This approach seems like it focuses too much on aggregate committee
turnover, rather than just setting a term limit.
Term limits rather than turnover was what I proposed originally; the
response to that
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:17:11 +, Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au said:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 07:51:16PM +, Philip Hands wrote:
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes: - only resignations from
people who would have been expired count in S FWIW I think either of
those deals with the
* Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au, 2014-11-20, 21:17:
On Jan 1st of each year the term of any Committee member who has served
more than 42 months (3.5 years) and who is one of the two most senior
members is set to expire on Dec 31st of that year.
would work as a description of that
Anthony Towns a...@erisian.com.au writes:
On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 07:51:16PM +, Philip Hands wrote:
Lucas Nussbaum lu...@debian.org writes:
- only resignations from people who would have been expired count in S
FWIW I think either of those deals with the concerns I raised, as it's
going
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 13:23:04, Josh Triplett wrote:
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
[private reply on purpose, since I'm not a DD]
[Neither am I; replying publically since your reply was actually public.]
Oh, always had the impression you are a DD :)
-8-
The Constitution is amended as
Hi,
On Thu, 20 Nov 2014, Josh Triplett wrote:
I would suggest introducing a transitional clause that would state
something like:
As a transitional measure, the terms of all current members that
exceed 4 years will only expire every 6 months, in order of
seniority.
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