Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
Oh Gergely! Please run, please!
http://wiki.debian.net/?DraftGergely
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Wouldn't it be better for people interested in opening the -private
archives to try a pure opt-in approach first? (Which wouldn't require
any change to current policies.)
I can see an argument in favour of publishing a redacted version of the
whole archive (with e.g. phone numbers and addresses
Le dimanche 23 mars 2008 à 23:15 +, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
One thing I will commit to (right now) is to encourage people to
ignore (or even better, castigate) nay-sayers who have nothing more to
contribute to Debian than poisonous tabloid-style rhetoric and
negativity.
Can you tell us
I nominate myself as a prospective DPL for the 2013 election.
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On 2013-03-10 15:40, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
Why do you think you are a good candidate for the next DPL term?
Thanks for your question. I hope that my platform sheds some light on
this:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2013/platforms/moray
I would see these as some of the key points:
- I have
On 2013-03-10 18:34, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
I'd like to have each DPL candidate briefly discuss the challenges of
getting new people to Debian.
I certainly don't think I have all the answers myself, but this is an
area I am very keen to see more discussion of, so I must apologise in
On 2013-03-11 07:32, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
Riding on Timo Juhani's question (and not yet having read the two
answers that it has already): There was an interesting discussion
(sadly, in a private forum I cannot quote here, but the fact of
having
I believe you're referring to the discussion I
On 2013-03-11 00:56, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
I'd ask the DPL candidates to speak a bit about how they intend to
represent Debian externally
A few points:
I see the DPL as a kind of chair position rather than a do
everything one. For some aspects of external relations it may be
useful to
On 2013-03-11 18:42, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
In your platform, you give that specific idea:
I am not sure how it would differ from GSoC? What different problem
will
this solve?
Apart from the obvious differences of control etc., GSoC is
fundamentally about writing a significant piece of
On 2013-03-11 18:42, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Also, we often have problems finding ideas for GSoC.
Oh, and I forgot to say here:
This year's deadline for GSoC project ideas is only a week away, on
Monday 18 March.
I very much encourage everyone reading to think hard about ideas and
add new
On 2013-03-11 19:44, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
I see. Interesting. But in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-science/2013/03/msg00012.html, the
no
packaging work rule seems to come from the Debian GSoC team, and at
least Sylvestre seems open to modifying it.
It comes from from how they have
On 2013-03-11 01:35, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
In your opinion, what are the fundamental reasons the release freeze
is so
long, and so painful, and what do you propose to do, as DPL, to fix
them?
On one level I'm cautious about answering this. I don't think that a
DPL should try to impose
On 2013-03-11 22:14, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
We can try to second-guess Google's motivations for excluding
documentation to determine if it also applies to packaging, or we can
just ask, which I have done:
On 2013-03-11 23:26, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Note that I did not comment (or ignored, as you put it) on some
points
in your reply only because I agreed with them.
(Thank you for clarifying; I didn't detect agreement from your reply.)
Still, given that GSoC exists, I find it useful to explore
On 2013-03-11 11:30, Sune Vuorela wrote:
Focussing on not failing is helping ensuring to stay mediocre. And
not
doing awesome.
So, how can we make debian do awesome stuff?
I think we have many people around in Debian who think they have
awesome ideas and don't mind if they fail, but as a
On 2013-03-12 09:45, Charles Plessy wrote:
I have a question: could you comment on the differences,
complementarity, or
overlap between such an internship and the NM process, which already
has
extensive questions about packaging. My personal experience is that
when I
went through the NM
On 2013-03-11 23:56, Ana Guerrero wrote:
The question I would love to see answered by you both is:
What new schemes of mentoring/integrating new contributors do you
envisage we could try in Debian?
I'm sure there are more possibilities that I haven't thought of yet,
but I can see space for
On 2013-03-12 12:43, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Moray Allan wrote:
If there was general support then we could look at organising a
funded program, but I would need a lot of persuasion before wanting
to get into the question of Debian picking specific individuals to
pay
On 2013-03-12 02:47, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
@all: do you think it is worth spending large amount of money donated
to
Debian to keep our core hardware infrastructure on its current level?
For people who don't know what the hardware replacement plan is about,
see e.g.
On 2013-03-12 07:17, Paul Wise wrote:
Removing packages in the freeze is way too late, they should be
removed from testing in an (semi-)automated fashion during the whole
release cycle. IIRC the release team are planning on doing this and
have done it manually in the past.
Indeed -- I should
On 2013-03-12 01:03, Russ Allbery wrote:
On the general topic of mentoring, though, I think one of the hardest
parts of helping new people join the project is that people need to
start
with relatively easy tasks so that they can get their feet wet.
Yes. Even where there is an existing list
On 2013-03-11 16:35, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
But then, one wonders, what are the main challenges that free
software
at large faces today? [...]
What do candidates think of this? Is free software going well? Is
it
going to go better or worse in forthcoming years? Why?
For me the biggest
On 2013-03-12 02:54, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
What do you think about this idea? Would it be worth in long term to
establish such a leader board (and therefore a change to our current
constitution) for the Debian Project, or do you think the DPL should
stay a single person?
Before answering,
On 2013-03-12 13:19, Moray Allan wrote:
Before thinking about any further examples
In fact I fear that it's logically impossible for me to give examples
to demonstrate my point. My claim is that I would be open to new ideas
from others about spending money, and actively look for suggestions
On 2013-03-12 20:35, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
In the past, when I was a new DD, there was this strange
and sad tendency that after finishing their DPL term, DPLs tended to
leave the project (or strongly reduce their involvement) — I *think*
there is some correlation with the DPL task pickup burnout
On 2013-03-13 09:15, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
What kind of restrictions are you referring to?
[...] because
SPI cannot use its funds for any activity related to flying people to
Cuba or transferring that money directly to Cuba.
I am unaware of other such restrictions, but: Whatever is forbidden
for
Stefano asked:
The ground shaking question to all candidates is then: what do you
think
of providing a DPL salary using Debian funds?
Here are some comments on a few of the aspects that worry me about this
idea. Some could be addressed by making other changes, but some seem
more
On 2013-03-14 13:10, Enrico Zini wrote:
We've definitely come to expect too much from a DPL, and we need to
break that up. [...]
Thanks. Your message explains better what I've mentioned, that (even
ignoring the associated problems) I don't see it as healthy for us to
push for a DPL with
On 2013-03-12 14:06, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
The Debian ecosystem includes many economical actors, be it companies
or individuals, but we tend to hide those aspects as if they didn't
exist.
I don't think that's quite the case. Perhaps Debian's commercial
partnership/sponsorship/supporter
On 2013-03-12 20:31, Arno Töll wrote:
Moray mostly answered my question already, but if he wants to extend
he's surely invited to elaborate. [...]
So I wonder, will you step back from
maintainer/team activities during your term?
For anyone reading who didn't yet memorise my platform, I wrote
On 2013-03-14 17:10, MJ Ray wrote:
How much time do you think voters should spend reading these
discussions?
I really don't think that voters should feel obliged to read them at
all.
With the benefit of some hindsight, do you feel that you are being
concise enough to achieve that time?
On 2013-03-12 23:06, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
On 03/12/2013 06:37 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
That said, it's not clear to me how you plan to achieve them. Being
the DPL doesn't grant you more time to implement them yourself and
your influence as DPL is limited.
[...]
How do you expect to push your
On 2013-03-13 02:57, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Since both of you want examples of possible uses of money, here you
have
some that I quickly came up with:
1/ Grant some amount of money to the release team to offer as
bounties on
release blocker issues that are not going forward.
I wouldn't be
On 2013-03-15 11:21, Thomas Goirand wrote:
Being the DPS is for sure a very demanding job. So I would like to
know
what your current activity is (what is your paid job). Please also
explain how much your activity may (or may not) allow you to have
time
for the DPL activity.
Quoting my
On 2013-03-15 12:32, Neil McGovern wrote:
My view as one of the press officers is that I'll issue press
releases
for newsworthy[0] items that the *project* has done, and DPN should
have
news items that are informative to people interested in the project.
Yes -- now that you've said it, this
=Moray+Allan
I am sure that Debian teams could provide a better web UI without
requiring its use, but I know that it is not a priority for most of us.
It might make sense for the relevant teams to recruit some new
volunteers interested in working in this area.
Part of the reason for the lack
On 2013-03-14 19:21, Paul Tagliamonte wrote:
What work will you be doing to continue Zach's efforts to negotiate
with
the FSF over Debian's status as a Free Software Distribution?
Will you treat this issue as a priority? Can we expect continued open
dialogue with the FSF on this issue? Would
On 2013-03-14 19:55, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
This inertia folklore is surely supported by past history of the
time
it took us to deploy specific changes in large sets of packages. But
on
the other hand, in the last 5 to 10 years we have massively improved
our
ability to decide and deploy
On 2013-03-14 23:34, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
I never use my @freexian.com email even when my contributions are the
result of work for my customers. We have many DD working at Credativ,
I have never seen Credativ being credited anywhere. HP is recognized
for
their hardware donations, but I don't
On 2013-03-16 12:13, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
The current NMU guidelines[1] discourage fixing cosmetic issues or
changing the packaging style in an NMU. The reason for that is that
such changes are often a matter of taste (though there are
exceptions,
such as the standardization of
On 2013-03-15 02:39, Toni Mueller wrote:
My personal favourite would be more, and likely more geographically
diverse, Mini-Debconfs (Bar Camp style?). I found the one in Berlin
very inspiring, and I was so far, unfortunately, unable to make it to
a real DebConf.
Yes. While I think it is
On 2013-03-16 17:47, Gergely Nagy wrote:
...and this highlights another issue I have with our infrastructure:
wnpp can be quite an intimidating mess, with over a thousand packages
in
ITP and RFP state. That's a lot. I get scared just by looking at the
number, and I'd like to think I'm not the
On 2013-03-13 14:13, Neil McGovern wrote:
Could you provide a couple of sentences (no more) for the below?
Here are some answers, intended to be appropriate for a press release,
as requested.
* How do you feel about having won the election?
Following Stefano as Debian Project Leader
On 2013-03-17 00:13, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
while reviewing the vote that introduced the Debian Maintainer status
in 2007 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003_tally.txt) I
noticed
that Lucas voted in favor and that Moray voted against it.
Moray, why did you vote against?
I'll follow up
On 2013-03-17 07:00, Paul Wise wrote:
Would becoming DPL increase the chance that you would work on any of
these ideas?
Would not becoming DPL increase the chance that you would work on any
of
these ideas?
Becoming DPL would certainly make work on this myself:
better communication on
On 2013-03-17 16:27, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Actually, I disagree that we should not focus more effort on
increasing
the existing convergence.
I was replying as part of a discussion of using NMUs to increase
convergence, not on whether convergence is good in general.
So despite your I
On 2013-03-17 07:19, Paul Wise wrote:
What do you plan to work on if you are not elected?
If I am not elected, then by default almost all my Debian time would
continue to be taken up by DebConf work.
However, after setting out my my ideas about Debian teams more clearly
for my platform, I
On 2013-03-17 14:50, Moray Allan wrote:
On 2013-03-17 00:13, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
while reviewing the vote that introduced the Debian Maintainer
status
in 2007 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003_tally.txt) I
noticed
that Lucas voted in favor and that Moray voted against it.
Moray
On 2013-03-17 14:50, Moray Allan wrote:
On 2013-03-17 00:13, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
while reviewing the vote that introduced the Debian Maintainer
status
in 2007 (http://www.debian.org/vote/2007/vote_003_tally.txt) I
noticed
that Lucas voted in favor and that Moray voted against it.
Moray
On 2013-03-18 12:45, Charles Plessy wrote:
Perhaps the candidates can comment on the fact that this already been
raised
last year
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/07/msg00716.html
I didn't see this subthread at the time.
From reading it, I can't understand why no one who took
On 2013-03-18 13:23, Mònica Ramírez Arceda wrote:
I would like to know your opinion about this graph (thanks
Francesca!):
http://blog.zouish.org/posts/dw/
It's disappointing for me that the numbers compared to men are still so
low, and things are even worse if you look only at active project
On 2013-03-18 14:37, Mario Lang wrote:
While discussing this topic on IRC with other Debian people I was
kind
of shocked to read that basically every feature can be dropped
anytime,
and since accessibility is for a very small user group, that user
group
suffering from big rewrites is normal
On 2013-03-19 22:34, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
if you are ellected as DPL, will you stay Debconf chair, which is a
delegation you got from the current DPL? How can you tell the project
which decission you do as DPL and which as Debconf chair?
In your platform you only say you might to less for
On 2013-03-18 15:55, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
How do we make an inherently archive-wide technical decision when
multiple, possibly equally valid solutions do exist?
(I think the latter part, the existence of alternatives, is
particularly
important here, as we have well-established approaches
On 2013-03-19 03:26, anarcat wrote:
You all have an impressive technical curriculum. Your deeds in Debian
speak for themselves. However, the role of a project leader is
unusually
non-technical.
Well, sure I could sell myself technically as
- studied informatics at Edinburgh University
- phd
On 2013-03-20 05:22, Charles Plessy wrote:
In Debian, we stay member until we die or quit (or very
exceptionally, are
expelled). The consequence is that it is hard to evaluate how much
active
members we have. It may also create more crispations about giving
membership.
As other replies
On 2013-03-23 05:54, Paul Wise wrote:
There are definitely people in that position (I can think of at least
one), it would be interesting to quantify how many Debian members
make
no visible contributions, if for no other reason than making their
contributions (if any) visible.
Yes. But I
On 2013-03-22 23:23, Moray Allan wrote:
As other replies have said, this seems to be much less of a solved
problem in recent years
Since someone asked: yes, this is an accidental blend from editing
seems to be a solved problem insufficiently towards seems to be much
less of a problem. I'll
On 2013-03-23 19:16, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
On 23/03/13 at 12:46 +0300, Moray Allan wrote:
Yes. But I would suggest that we should aim to build a really good
contributor-tracking system
Or improve the existing ones, such as the 'echelon' field in ldap (=
last mailing list post), the mia db
On 2013-03-19 16:39, Jérémy Bobbio wrote:
Dear candidates, do you think that libechonest [3] should be called
free
software? As it requires software outside of the distribution to
function, do you think it should be moved to contrib? What about
s3cmd [4] then?
I don't think that having the
On 2013-03-19 17:00, Serafeim Zanikolas wrote:
Our usual approach of darwinism (whereby a single hacker's solution
gets
gradually adopted) does not work here because any attempted solution
(social,
technical or both) requires some kind of upfront policy change (and,
for
technical measures,
On 2013-03-19 16:52, Jérémy Bobbio wrote:
Even if a dedicated team is supposed to care about security in
testing [1], the dedicated mailing-list [2] has not seen an
announcement
since February 2011.
Debian Security Advisories don't only comment on the stable for stable
-- looking through
On 2013-03-24 12:47, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
There are third party vendors (read: propietary) that support the
installation
of their software in Debian, but mostly because selfish reasons: they
need to
be present everywhere for their business model to work. A clear
example of
On 2013-03-25 09:55, Thomas Goirand wrote:
One of the key role of the DPL is to delegate.
What are your intention in this regard? Do you think that the current
teams and roles are well filled? Or would you like to change some of
the
people currently holding a position? Why (not) changing
On 2013-03-25 10:24, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
In his platform, Moray writes:
| I would also like us to take a more pre-emptive approach to such
issues
| by encouraging more turnover of members between different teams
I think that most teams require quite specific skills, and most team
members
On 2013-03-25 10:22, Steve McIntyre wrote:
Are we strict enough with our existing contributors? When we're
trying
to work together as best we can to make the Universal Operating
System
happen, what could/should we do with contributors who hinder our
work?
Sometimes that hindrance is
On 2013-03-26 14:58, gregor herrmann wrote:
Thanks for this question, which I would like to extend a bit.
Im my understanding you are pointing to unconstructive behaviour
related to technical work. What we also see (and discuss) every now
and then is behaviour that is socially questionable or
On 2013-03-28 21:54, Charles Plessy wrote:
what you wrote here presents the end of a delegation as a final
point.
However, I was very interested by your use of rotation, which I was
understanding as a faster turnover where the responsibility of the
delegation
is passed through developers
I thought I'd answered everything again, but then I made the mistake of
mentioning Charles's post to Gunnar
Which reminds me: please tell me if I've missed a question on this list
during the campaign period that you were hoping for me to answer.
On 2013-03-28 22:36, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
On 2013-03-28 16:35, Don Armstrong wrote:
ow...@bugs.debian.org is an appropriate place to report abusive
behavior by anyone (maintainers, users, etc) on the BTS.
But how broad a definition of abusive behaviour are you taking here?
I would have thought of contacting ow...@bugs.debian.org in
On 2013-03-29 19:34, Charles Plessy wrote:
How is the state of -private those days ? When I unsubscribed, it
was still
mixing informations that are really private, like Alice takes
holidays in
Honolulu, some that may be private by accident, like Bob wants to
package
libfoo-perl, and some
On 2013-04-03 09:38, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
What are the candidates opinion on the current release process?
Can it be improved? What role should the DPL play in such work?
Thanks - with apologies for raising this at a release-sensitive
time, but obviously it has to be at a vote-appropriate
On 2013-04-13 19:00, devo...@vote.debian.org wrote:
The winners are:
Option 3 Lucas Nussbaum
I'd like to congratulate Lucas on his election, and to thank Gergely
for running -- as well as everyone who encouraged me to run and who gave
me suggestions during the campaign period. It's
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