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Great, thank you Anthony. Distributing non-free is not good for Debian
nor for Debian users. Debian can become the first free distribution in
the world!
I am not sure that you completely understand
? And the real answer should come from the users.
Shouldn't the real question be Is distributing non-free compatible with
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Debian does, please tell me, what exactly do you mean. But if you
really agree that things which you are doing hurt your honor, I will
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if you
really agree that things which you are doing hurt your honor, I will
immideately stop saying this.
I think that acting non-ethical sometimes does not make anybody
non-ethical. To accuse someone, that he is non-ethical one should
summarize ethical and non
part, is acting non-ethically.
Yes I say (not because I wanted to hurt you) that Debian acts
non-ethically and I provided an example, how and in which case this
happens. Is it incorrect?
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Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
Sven Luther wrote:
I am saying that you are diffaming me, and thus hurting my honor, by
I did not find the word diffamate or diffamation in dictionary. Probably
it is something like lie?
saying that because of the work i do on non-free package, i personnally
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Producing and distributing non-free is ethical. If I produce a package
with closed source and distribute it, it is ethical, since it help
people to solve their tasks. It compels
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be such a packages. I do not
propose to forget about it, but just to delay its discussion, till we
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concerned with the universality of our decisions than the result of
those decisions.
I am concerned with the result of Debian decisions as well as with how
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I failed to prove that *just* refraining from distributing non-free
software would be *more* ethical. So I do not think doing only this is
enough. On the other side distributing non-free does not serves human
ethics
Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
And if some of our user found helpful to have
a non-free repository, and we could give it to them, we should.
Debian developers should not do this if they are very busy with the free
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to be useful
for becomes a much larger problem with your proposed solution.
I will be pleased if you will explain, how this can happen, if Debian
will act in proposed way: working on free instead of non-free. How
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Remi Vanicat wrote:
Debian developers should have the choose to do what they want.
They already don't have the choice when someone asks them to help to
fix the bug in the source of the program with the described non-free
license
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 06:47:42PM +0100, Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
I will be pleased if you will explain, how this can happen, if Debian
will act in proposed way: working on free instead of non-free. How
working on free can produce more problem than working on non-free?
I
. We can count case #2, but case #1 will stay
uncounted. The fact that it is difficult to count doesn't mean we should
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just want to know, what is wrong in your opinion with associated
actions regarding non-free programs? Are there some bad consequences, if
any, which result from non-free distribution? Please name them, if you
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Damn, I thought I already replied to this. Apparently not.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 10:50:47AM +0100, Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
If there were one human ethic that was universally agreed upon, this
might be worth talking about; but there isn't.
There are some basic things
with an approach you try to advocate
is that Debian currently loses support of those who do not want to
support and distribute non-free.
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distribution.
Non-free program can be less useful in some cases.
#1 is simply wrong and can be easely argued.
#2 can be argued, with some efforts.
#3 is so basic and fundamental, that I have no idea where to start with.
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support of free hardware. This will
encourage hardware producers to be more opened. Supporting non-free
hardware gives carte blanche to the hardware produces, it is like, hey,
produce non-free, we will be happy to support it!
1. Interesting, that Symbian SDK toolchain uses gcc.
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Branden Robinson wrote:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2004 at 12:51:20PM +0100, Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
Great, thank you Anthony. Distributing non-free is not good for Debian
nor for Debian users. Debian can become the first free distribution in
the world!
I am not sure that you completely understand
? And the real answer should come from the users.
Shouldn't the real question be Is distributing non-free compatible with
Debian developer ethics?
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. I hope you do not think, that non-free software is a healing water.
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actions Debian is not
able to go to his goal that effective that he can. By choosing to
distribute free-only software Debian will act on the very high level,
directly going to his goal, helping people.
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will be not that effective, in
comparision if I produce free. It is not a right way to realize my aim.
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what Debian does, please tell me, what exactly do you mean. But if you
really agree that things which you are doing hurt your honor, I will
immideately stop saying this.
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Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
if you
really agree that things which you are doing hurt your honor, I will
immideately stop saying this.
I think that acting non-ethical sometimes does not make anybody
non-ethical. To accuse someone, that he is non-ethical one should
summarize ethical and non
of which i am part, is acting non-ethically.
Yes I say (not because I wanted to hurt you) that Debian acts
non-ethically and I provided an example, how and in which case this
happens. Is it incorrect?
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Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
Sven Luther wrote:
I am saying that you are diffaming me, and thus hurting my honor, by
I did not find the word diffamate or diffamation in dictionary. Probably
it is something like lie?
saying that because of the work i do on non-free package, i personnally
Daniel Burrows wrote:
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 12:43:22PM +0100, Sergey Spiridonov [EMAIL PROTECTED]
was heard to say:
Producing and distributing non-free is ethical. If I produce a package
with closed source and distribute it, it is ethical, since it help
people to solve their tasks
no other solution.
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concerned with the universality of our decisions than the result of
those decisions.
I am concerned with the result of Debian decisions as well as with how
they will be realized.
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will suffer
because of the fact that I am in a such a situation.
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Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
And if some of our user found helpful to have
a non-free repository, and we could give it to them, we should.
Debian developers should not do this if they are very busy with the free
software, shouldn't they?
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to
agree with some non-free license before.
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regards, Sergey Spiridonov
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Sergey Spiridonov [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Remi Vanicat wrote:
Debian developers should have the choose to do what they want.
They already don't have the choice when someone asks them to help to
fix the bug in the source of the program with the described non-free
Raul Miller wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 06:47:42PM +0100, Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
I will be pleased if you will explain, how this can happen, if Debian
will act in proposed way: working on free instead of non-free. How
working on free can produce more problem than working on non-free?
I
period of time. We can count case #2, but case #1 will stay
uncounted. The fact that it is difficult to count doesn't mean we should
ignore it.
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not
to distribute.
O.K., I just want to know, what is wrong in your opinion with associated
actions regarding non-free programs? Are there some bad consequences, if
any, which result from non-free distribution? Please name them, if you
think there are some.
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wondered,
why some developers are talking about this all the time :)
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Anthony Towns wrote:
Damn, I thought I already replied to this. Apparently not.
On Thu, Jan 22, 2004 at 10:50:47AM +0100, Sergey Spiridonov wrote:
If there were one human ethic that was universally agreed upon, this
might be worth talking about; but there isn't.
There are some basic things
the software completely free.
Doesn't We promise to prefer free software to non-free. address it
good enough? Since Debian prefers free, it should be clear that the free
software will be kept free.
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. The problem with an approach you try to advocate
is that Debian currently loses support of those who do not want to
support and distribute non-free.
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