RE: Existing books on debugging ?

[Oliver Schnarchendorf]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 15:30:28 +0200, Richard Foley wrote:
> The Perl Debugger Pocket Reference: 
>   http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perldebugpr/index.html
Perl Debugged


/oliver/

RE: Existing books on debugging ?

[Richard Foley]

The Perl Debugger Pocket Reference:

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perldebugpr/index.html

Ciao
Richard Foley
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RE: Existing books on debugging ?

[richard.foley]

>It caused me some consternation when "Debugging Perl" came out 
>while I was
I agree, and think there's much room for this kind of book, but it appears unpopular 
with publishers.  Maybe they know something we don't, or maybe it's just one of those 
things like a skeleton in the cupboard.  Everyone knows it's there, but no-one wants 
to talk about it!

?

>in copyediting, and I initiated discussions with my editor 
>over possible
>problems with name similarity.  He decided that it was of no 
>consequence.
>I always thought that the "Debugged" moniker could be used as 
>a brand, like
>"for Dummies", and that there would be "C++ Debugged", "Java 
>Debugged", etc,
>and told the publishers so, but no sign of anyone jumping on 
>that bandwagon.
>
>-- 
>Peter Scott
>http://www.perldebugged.com
>

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Re: Existing books on debugging ?

[Gabor Szabo]

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003, Peter Scott wrote:

> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adrian Howard) writes:
> >On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:59  am, Gabor Szabo wrote:

> >
> >I'd say that there is more to debugging than using a debugger.
>
> I agree.  I never thought of "Perl Debugged" as being mainly about using
> the debugger.  I thought of that as one of several aspects of the process
> of debugging, and presented those, along with techniques for avoiding
> inserting bugs in the first place.

It is a question of definition of what is debugging. If it includes the
prevention thing then "Perl Debugged" is an excellent book. It covers
a lot of aspects of "making your code bug free".

On the other hand if we define "debugging" as the thing you do *after* you
wrote the code then ..

... the book of Richard Foley will be a good book to look for.

... this is what I am looking for. Techniques to find bugs once we know
there *is* a bug because e.g. a test fails.


Gabor

Re: Existing books on debugging ?

[Peter Scott]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adrian Howard) writes:
>On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:59  am, Gabor Szabo wrote:
>[snip]
>> Of course we can all point at "Perl Debugged" but I don't know
>> any other book talking about debugging.
>
>I'm not aware of any other Perl debugging books. One I would *not*  
>recommend is "Debugging Perl" - which really isn't very good at all.
>
>I've come across people getting it mixed up with Perl Debugged (which  
>is quite nice) so I thought it worth mentioning.
>
>> What books out there are of use for those wanting to learn debugging?
>> They don't necessarily have to be specificly about *Perl*.
>> Is there a way to learn debugging other than learning the capabilities
>> of a debugger ?
>
>I'd say that there is more to debugging than using a debugger. 

I agree.  I never thought of "Perl Debugged" as being mainly about using
the debugger.  I thought of that as one of several aspects of the process
of debugging, and presented those, along with techniques for avoiding
inserting bugs in the first place.  People tend to focus on the parts about
the debugger as though that's all the book is about.  Granted, it spends
more time on the debugger than any other book... but that was just because
I've taught use of the debugger from the get-go in my intermediate classes.

It caused me some consternation when "Debugging Perl" came out while I was
in copyediting, and I initiated discussions with my editor over possible
problems with name similarity.  He decided that it was of no consequence.
I always thought that the "Debugged" moniker could be used as a brand, like
"for Dummies", and that there would be "C++ Debugged", "Java Debugged", etc,
and told the publishers so, but no sign of anyone jumping on that bandwagon.

-- 
Peter Scott
http://www.perldebugged.com

RE: Existing books on debugging ?

[richard.foley]

>Of course we can all point at "Perl Debugged" but I don't know
>any other book talking about debugging.
>
Well, there will be my (small) effort, out in November, if O'Reilly ever get around to 
printing the blessed thing :-]

>What books out there are of use for those wanting to learn debugging?
>They don't necessarily have to be specificly about *Perl*.
>Is there a way to learn debugging other than learning the capabilities
>of a debugger ?
>
I had some links to debugging references for C and the like (hard to find good ones 
though).  Next time I'm home, I'll see if I can find them, and mail them in here 
(and/or put them in the book ;)

Plug ends...

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Re: Existing books on debugging ?

[Adrian Howard]

On Monday, August 18, 2003, at 08:59  am, Gabor Szabo wrote:
[snip]
Of course we can all point at "Perl Debugged" but I don't know
any other book talking about debugging.
I'm not aware of any other Perl debugging books. One I would *not*  
recommend is "Debugging Perl" - which really isn't very good at all.

I've come across people getting it mixed up with Perl Debugged (which  
is quite nice) so I thought it worth mentioning.

What books out there are of use for those wanting to learn debugging?
They don't necessarily have to be specificly about *Perl*.
Is there a way to learn debugging other than learning the capabilities
of a debugger ?
I'd say that there is more to debugging than using a debugger. The  
majority of my debugging techniques are now oriented around tests so I  
would recommend the test books listed on perl-qa :-) They're mostly on  
the Wiki now too at  
.

Adrian