RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question...

2002-07-15 Thread Mark Smith

Strange.
This isn't working.

Anyway to debug?

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 So the syntax is:
 
 SNIFFER ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 That is correct.
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question...

2002-07-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


  SNIFFER ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Strange.
This isn't working.

Anyway to debug?

Question #1:  Are you running the latest beta version?  If not, it won't work.

Question #2:  What isn't working?  Are the E-mails being delivered exactly 
as before (IE the ROUTETO action isn't being used), or is something else 
happening (indicating that it is being used, but it isn't working properly)?
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question...

2002-07-15 Thread Mark Smith

   SNIFFER ROUTETO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Strange.
 This isn't working.
 
 Anyway to debug?
 
 Question #1:  Are you running the latest beta version?  If 
 not, it won't work.

Installed.bin says 1.56 (I'm pretty sure it's the I version)

 Question #2:  What isn't working?  Are the E-mails being 
 delivered exactly 
 as before (IE the ROUTETO action isn't being used), or is 
 something else 
 happening (indicating that it is being used, but it isn't 
 working properly)?

I have SNIFFER set to use the ROUTETO action.
I guess it depends on the priority of the ROUTETO action. 

What is the current priority order?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question...

2002-07-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


  Question #1:  Are you running the latest beta version?  If
  not, it won't work.

Installed.bin says 1.56 (I'm pretty sure it's the I version)

The installed.bin file may or may not contain useful information in it -- 
you should type \IMail\Declude -diag to determine the version you are 
running.

I have SNIFFER set to use the ROUTETO action.
I guess it depends on the priority of the ROUTETO action.

What is the current priority order?

ROUTETO is just below HOLD, BOUNCE, and DELETE, so those three would take 
priority over it.
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[Declude.JunkMail] weight of 63 passed ??

2002-07-15 Thread Eje Gustafsson

Strangeness. I'm curious how this message manage to get through and be
delivered. I have weight20 set to hold and weight30 to delete. This
message made weight63. The address it was delievered to is granted
located on a unix box but the messages get relayed through imail and
obviously declude processed and tagged this message but it got
delivered anyways. (below the message is excerp from my declude log)

Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from imail.fament.com (imail.fament.com [208.189.26.51])
by unicorn.fament.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g6FDFf125937
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:15:42 -0500
Received: from SPHINX.ftf.sn [213.154.76.114] by imail.fament.com with ESMTP
  (SMTPD32-7.07) id ABA29C500FE; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 08:18:26 -0500
Received: from smtp0210.mail.yahoo.com ([213.96.125.231]) by SPHINX.ftf.sn with
Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966);
 Mon, 15 Jul 2002 11:58:12 +
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 07:54:45 -0400
From: Virginia Doub[EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Priority: 3
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Free Online Payment Account - Plus a $5.00 Sign Up Bonus
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 11:58:22.0356 (UTC) FILETIME=[EAF35540:01C22BF6]
X-RBL-Warning: OSRELAY: This entry was last confirmed open on 4/19/2002
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMCOP: Blocked - see http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?213.96.125.231
X-RBL-Warning: NOABUSE: Not supporting abuse@domain
X-RBL-Warning: NOPOSTMASTER: Not supporting postmaster@domain
X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a mail server 213.154.76.114 with no
reverse DNS entry.
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam [4000100f].
X-RBL-Warning: WEIGHT10: Weight of 63 reaches or exceeds the limit of 10.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [213.154.76.114]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam.
Status:



07/15/2002 08:19:29 Qcba209c500fe07cb Msg failed OSRELAY (This entry was last 
confirmed open on 4/19/2002).
07/15/2002 08:19:29 Qcba209c500fe07cb Msg failed SPAMCOP (Blocked - see 
http://spamcop.net/bl.shtml?213.96.125.231).
07/15/2002 08:19:29 Qcba209c500fe07cb Msg failed NOABUSE (Not supporting abuse@domain).
07/15/2002 08:19:29 Qcba209c500fe07cb Msg failed NOPOSTMASTER (Not supporting 
postmaster@domain).
07/15/2002 08:19:29 Qcba209c500fe07cb Msg failed REVDNS (This E-mail was sent from a 
mail server 213.154.76.114 with no reverse DNS entry.).
07/15/2002 08:19:29 Qcba209c500fe07cb Msg failed SPAMHEADERS (This E-mail has headers 
consistent with spam [4000100f].).
07/15/2002 08:19:29 Qcba209c500fe07cb Msg failed WEIGHT10 (Weight of 63 reaches or 
exceeds the limit of 10.).

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] weight of 63 passed ??

2002-07-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


Strangeness. I'm curious how this message manage to get through and be
delivered.

My first question:  Do you have a WHITELIST entry that could have let it 
through?

  I have weight20 set to hold and weight30 to delete. This
message made weight63. The address it was delievered to is granted
located on a unix box ...

And I should mention here that if the E-mail is being sent to another 
server (unix box), IMail considers it outgoing mail, so the settings in the 
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg file.  To get around this, you can use per-domain 
settings for that domain.
  -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Word Filter?

2002-07-15 Thread Kami Razvan
Title: Message



Hi;

In the Word Filter 
we can use a line as such:

REVDNS -5 
CONTAINS yahoo.com

The domain name listed here refers to Yahoo.com specifically 
or like the BlackList or WhiteListrefers to anything that ends with 
Yahoo.com?

For example does 
the above also assigns a -5 to SpamYahoo.com?

ThanksKami


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Word Filter?

2002-07-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


In the Word Filter we can use a line as such:

REVDNS   -5   CONTAINS   yahoo.com

The domain name listed here refers to Yahoo.com specifically or like the 
BlackList or WhiteList refers to anything that ends with Yahoo.com?

The CONTAINS in this case will match any reverse DNS entry that contains 
yahoo.com in it (mail.yahoo.com, notyahoo.com, 
yahoo.com.spammer.com, etc.).

For example does the above also assigns a -5 to SpamYahoo.com?

Yes, it does.  You could instead use:

 REVDNS  -5  CONTAINS.yahoo.com

since no Yahoo.com mailserver reverse DNS entry should be just yahoo.com.

We may later add an ENDSWITH that could be used here, to prevent 
yahoo.com.spammer.com from matching (but on the other hand, if they did 
that, they could just as easily use mail.yahoo.com as the reverse DNS entry).
 -Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] Watching CC's?

2002-07-15 Thread Kami Razvan

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Hi;
Any thoughts on this?

At times I notice that I personally receive SPAM where the CC field
contains my userid at every single domain out there in the world.

For example the one I just received contained Kami@ With a ton of
other domains.

So a thought that perhaps could limit such ways of SPAMing could be to
check the CC  TO field and parse the e-Mails (if any) for duplicate
userID's with different domains.  Naturally I can't imagine why someone
would send someone an e-mail to 5 different identical userID's at
different domains?

Is this part of any tests? If not, could it be considered as a valid
test?

Regards,
Kami

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Watching CC's?

2002-07-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


At times I notice that I personally receive SPAM where the CC field
contains my userid at every single domain out there in the world.

For example the one I just received contained Kami@ With a ton of
other domains.

So a thought that perhaps could limit such ways of SPAMing could be to
check the CC  TO field and parse the e-Mails (if any) for duplicate
userID's with different domains.  Naturally I can't imagine why someone
would send someone an e-mail to 5 different identical userID's at
different domains?

Is this part of any tests? If not, could it be considered as a valid
test?

The problem is that a lot of spammers will do something very similar to 
this, where the usernames are similar, but not always the same.  So it 
might be [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...

While it might not be difficult to detect the identical usernames, it would 
be difficult to detect the similar ones.

Also, it's common to receive E-mail sent to multiple postmaster@ or abuse@ 
accounts.
-Scott

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DORKZTL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Watching CC's?

2002-07-15 Thread Jay A. Caplan

I second this. I cannot think of any circumstance where I would receive a
legitimate email addressed to my username at more than 2 or 3 domains. This
would be a good test to have at our disposal.

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The problem is that a lot of spammers will do something very similar to

this, where the usernames are similar, but not always the same.  So it
might be [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], ...

While it might not be difficult to detect the identical usernames, it
would
be difficult to detect the similar ones.

Also, it's common to receive E-mail sent to multiple postmaster@ or
abuse@
accounts.

While this is all true, I still agree that the test would be beneficial
as something that could add weight.

Jerod M. Bennett
Director of Media Production
Pixelpushers, Inc.


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[Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:DORKZTL

2002-07-15 Thread Jim Rooth

The DORKZTL is coming from my attbi.com line I use.  My servers are not
listed (at this time!)


Jim Rooth
Klotron, Inc.


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:DORKZTL

2002-07-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


The DORKZTL is coming from my attbi.com line I use.  My servers are not
listed (at this time!)

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=204.127.202.62 shows that it is 
listed.
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Newbie here

2002-07-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


New to the Junk Mail side.  I have several files in the hold pattern
that need to be released.  How does one go about that?

You need to copy both files (the D*.SMD file with the E-mail body, and the 
associated Q*.SMD file with the IMail recipient information) from the 
\IMail\spool\spam directory back to the \IMail\spool directory, and IMail 
will send it out on the next queue run.
  -Scott

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Strange

2002-07-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


I have another issue that may or may not be germane here.  I have a
small server running W2K as the OS with Apache and PHP running a
webpage.  The webpage has an entry to an email user on my Imail server.
This morning I noticed my log file hit over 14 Mb in size.

How high is it normally?  If it is normally 10-12 MB, there may be no 
problem.  If is is normally 1-2 MB, you may have a compromised server that 
a spammer is using to send out spam.

I cleared out over 14,000 bad emails and email in the queue at about
10:00 am today.  Ten minutes ago I cleaned out another 15,000 emails
from the queue.  I also stopped the SMTP service on the server.  Does
anyone have any idea how or what I need to do to stop this monster?

The first step is to identify the monster.

To do that, I would open some of those 10,000's of E-mails, and see who 
they are from/to.  If they are all from/to the same user, there may be a 
mail loop.  More likely, a spammer has found a way to send spam through 
your mailserver.
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Newbie here

2002-07-15 Thread John Tolmachoff

New to the Junk Mail side.  I have several files in the hold pattern
that need to be released.  How does one go about that?

Please check this:

X-RBL-Warning: POSTFIXGATE: Blackholed by PostfixGate - see
http://www.postfixgate.com or do a lookup at
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=204.127.202.62
X-RBL-Warning: XBL: 243.68.238.12.xbl.selwerd.cx.

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:DORKZTL

2002-07-15 Thread Jim Rooth

Yes sir it sure does and a reverse lookup will tell you that it is not a
server used by Klotron but one of ATT.  I sent them a nasty note as I
cannot send purchase orders to a couple of vendors because of them being
listed on four or five lists.  They said they really were not concerned
at this point in time.

I'll go you one better...I get a 'page not found now when I go to
DNSstuff.com!  I swear it is a communist plot...


Jim Rooth
Klotron, Inc.

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:DORKZTL


The DORKZTL is coming from my attbi.com line I use.  My servers are not
listed (at this time!)

http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=204.127.202.62 shows that it is

listed.
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Strange

2002-07-15 Thread Jim Rooth

Normal size is around 1 Mb.  Just a small server with around 5K emails a
day.  All of the emails seem to be coming from the same sender.  The
weird thing is it is not on my email server...it is on a web server that
is not published but used strictly for in house use by a client.  I have
killed the SMTP service on it in hopes of stopping it for the time
being.  All the Bad emails and queued emails were on the web server and
not the email server.  There is no reference of an email on the web
server other than a form that sends it through my email server (one
form.)  I guess that is how it is getting to the email server.

Jim Rooth
Klotron, Inc.

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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Strange


I have another issue that may or may not be germane here.  I have a
small server running W2K as the OS with Apache and PHP running a
webpage.  The webpage has an entry to an email user on my Imail server.
This morning I noticed my log file hit over 14 Mb in size.

How high is it normally?  If it is normally 10-12 MB, there may be no 
problem.  If is is normally 1-2 MB, you may have a compromised server
that 
a spammer is using to send out spam.

I cleared out over 14,000 bad emails and email in the queue at about
10:00 am today.  Ten minutes ago I cleaned out another 15,000 emails
from the queue.  I also stopped the SMTP service on the server.  Does
anyone have any idea how or what I need to do to stop this monster?

The first step is to identify the monster.

To do that, I would open some of those 10,000's of E-mails, and see who 
they are from/to.  If they are all from/to the same user, there may be a

mail loop.  More likely, a spammer has found a way to send spam through 
your mailserver.
 -Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Watching CC's?

2002-07-15 Thread Kami Razvan

Just to show an example: The header follows-

Yes- there are other tests that catch it.  But from what I have seen so
far, the tests that have caught this e-Mail are not known to be 100%
proof of SPAM.  I have seen these tests fail in some legitimate e-Mail.

The multiple UserID address test could have been a definite nail on this
item because other than [EMAIL PROTECTED] none of those are me!


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SPAM]EXPERT Consultants Available 2510
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 11:35:31 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Priority: 3
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-RBL-Warning: BADHEADERS: This E-mail was sent from a broken mail
client [c004400e].
X-RBL-Warning: SPAMHEADERS: This E-mail has headers consistent with spam
[c004400e].
X-RBL-Warning: HEUR10: Heuristic spam detection level 10 [1.00]
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [207.115.63.103]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D544802ed01b8bc24.SMD
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude (www.declude.com) for spam 
virus.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: BADHEADERS, SPAMHEADERS, WEIGHT15, HEUR10
x-Weight: 19
X-Note: This E-mail was sent from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net.
([207.115.63.103]).
X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Status: U
X-UIDL: 326073932


Hope the header helps.

Kami


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Watching CC's?



While this is all true, I still agree that the test would be beneficial

as something that could add weight.

Checking 10 of the E-mails at our spamtrap, several had multiple 
Cc:'s.  There was one that had 4 usernames that were the same, with
about 6 
others that were similar.  That E-mail also failed 16 spam tests, so
adding 
a multiple usernames test wouldn't have really helped with any of
those 
10 E-mails.

Are people here seeing lots of spam being sent this way -- the exact
same 
username appearing multiple times in a Cc: header -- that isn't getting 
caught otherwise?
-Scott

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Strange

2002-07-15 Thread Jim Rooth

I can't tell you as I apparently don't have it configured properly yet.
The DECCON log told me at 0930 that I had 1536 emails, with 873 Spam.  I
clicked it close when doing something and it didn't come back on.  I
started it again an hour ago and I just now checked it and it said
0,0,0,0  so I have another issue as well.  Oh, I forgot the one about
the boss yelling about how he spent $700 to get an email this morning
about an adult porn site!  I told him he should invest some time in it
and leave me alone so I could figure out how to help his spam situation.


Jim Rooth
Klotron, Inc.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Strange

If you have Declude Hijack loaded and configured, what does the Deccon
log say?

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com

I have another issue that may or may not be germane here.  I have a
small server running W2K as the OS with Apache and PHP running a
webpage.  The webpage has an entry to an email user on my Imail server.
This morning I noticed my log file hit over 14 Mb in size.  I just
loaded Declude Hijack and Declude Junk Mail on the server Saturday.  I
have been running Declude Virus for quite some time.



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Strange

2002-07-15 Thread R. Scott Perry


Normal size is around 1 Mb.  Just a small server with around 5K emails a
day.  All of the emails seem to be coming from the same sender.  The
weird thing is it is not on my email server...it is on a web server that
is not published but used strictly for in house use by a client.  I have
killed the SMTP service on it in hopes of stopping it for the time
being.

Note that the spammers that break into webservers will run their own 
software on there, not using the Microsoft SMTP service.

All the Bad emails and queued emails were on the web server and
not the email server.  There is no reference of an email on the web
server other than a form that sends it through my email server (one
form.)  I guess that is how it is getting to the email server.

Usually the spammers access their spamware through a web form, so that it 
probably the problem.
-Scott

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[Declude.JunkMail] DNSstuff.com WAS: DORKZTL:DORKZTL

2002-07-15 Thread John Tolmachoff

I'll go you one better...I get a 'page not found now when I go to
DNSstuff.com!  I swear it is a communist plot...

It was apparently down for about 15 minutes.

Works fine now.

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Strange

2002-07-15 Thread John Tolmachoff

Did the Console screen on the server show any mails being held? (It
would list by IP address.)

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jim Rooth
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 11:28 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Strange

I can't tell you as I apparently don't have it configured properly yet.
The DECCON log told me at 0930 that I had 1536 emails, with 873 Spam.  I
clicked it close when doing something and it didn't come back on.  I
started it again an hour ago and I just now checked it and it said
0,0,0,0  so I have another issue as well.  Oh, I forgot the one about
the boss yelling about how he spent $700 to get an email this morning
about an adult porn site!  I told him he should invest some time in it
and leave me alone so I could figure out how to help his spam situation.


Jim Rooth
Klotron, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] DORKZTL:Strange

If you have Declude Hijack loaded and configured, what does the Deccon
log say?

John Tolmachoff
IT Manager, Network Engineer
RelianceSoft, Inc.
Fullerton, CA  92835
www.reliancesoft.com

I have another issue that may or may not be germane here.  I have a
small server running W2K as the OS with Apache and PHP running a
webpage.  The webpage has an entry to an email user on my Imail server.
This morning I noticed my log file hit over 14 Mb in size.  I just
loaded Declude Hijack and Declude Junk Mail on the server Saturday.  I
have been running Declude Virus for quite some time.



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