[Declude.JunkMail] Per-Domain Virus.CFG?

2004-04-29 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, Was wondering if there was a way to have a per-domain virus.cfg. The reason I ask is that I have BANEXT lnk in the virus.cfg (which I recently added). Today a client responded saying he distributes McAfee Enterprise anti-virus updates via email using a shortcut (*.lnk) as the

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Per-Domain Virus.CFG?

2004-04-29 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Maze - Hostmaster Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 7:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Per-Domain Virus.CFG? Hello, Was wondering if there was a way to have a per-domain virus.cfg. The reason I ask is that I have

[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist.txt file

2004-04-28 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, Can IP addresses in conjunction with e-mail addresses (or domain names) be added to a Whitelists.txt file within a per-domain configuration? Thanks.. -Jeff --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist.txt file

2004-04-28 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Ok thanks.. And to just re-verify something, if the whitelist.txt file is in the domain folder (per-domain config), the GLOBAL.CFG is skipped and the whitelist.txt file is used instead for whitelisting e-mail addresses. Or are they used in conjunction with each other? -Original Message-

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelist.txt file

2004-04-28 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Ooops.. Sorry about that.. I meant to say $default$.junkmail file.. Just trying to get a domain configured correct in a per-domain config with the whitelist.txt file (having problems and hearing about it from the client). So, if there is a whiltelistip entry in the $default$.junkmail file and

[Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS Failure

2004-04-28 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, Had a client forward me an e-mail that failed the SPAMDOMAIN test (along with a couple others). Below are the internet headers of the SPAMDOMAINs failure (I can post the full inet headers if desired): X-RBL-Warning: SPAMDOMAINS: Spamdomain 'att.net' found: Address of [EMAIL

[Declude.JunkMail] WHITELISTFILE for per-domain

2004-04-23 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, Just a quick question about this option. In the domain that has a separate configuration file, I would edit the $default$.junkmail file and add the following line, correct? WHITELISTFILE c:\imail\declude\domain.com\whitelist.txt And then put in the e-mail addresses or

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] WHITELISTFILE for per-domain

2004-04-23 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Thanks.. That works.. One quick question.. If that entry is in for the per-domain $default$.junkmail file, I assume it will not use the main $default$.junkmail file within the main declude sub-folder for whitelists, correct? Or do they work in tandum. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

[Declude.JunkMail] This too got through.. No spamdomains?

2004-04-22 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I got this message in one of my main accounts. It first came through our sec mail server, but then nothing appears to have been flagged by Declude. Weird thing is, I'm running SPAMDOMAINS. So shouldn't this message have failed at least SPAMDOMAINS? I have IPBYPASS

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] This too got through.. No spamdomains?

2004-04-22 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Ok.. Thanks.. I'll have to look into this more.. Sorry to be a pain, but most of the messages that got through (14 of them between 12am and 5am) last night were caused by this problem. Thanks again.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Comcast.net Spam

2004-04-22 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, Yeah, I too have notice A LOT of spam originating from ComCast networks lately. You could implement SPAMDOMAINS that would check the from and where the message came from to add weight to the message. Seems to work well when you don't get DNS timeouts (which I have been

[Declude.JunkMail] CMDSPACE Test

2004-04-22 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I was wondering what exactly the CMDSPACE test is. I wasn't able to find anything about it in the Junkmail manual.. Thanks.. -Jeff --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] US Treasury cannot do it right?

2004-04-21 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Yeah, I got sick of modifying my setups for others mistakes.. I've just ended up forwarding them the message with the internet headers telling them what the problem is, how to fix it, and that messages from them will be blocked/reviewed until the problems are fixed.. Haven't gotten any

[Declude.JunkMail] This got through.. -Question-

2004-04-21 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Just a question.. The message below (internet headers listed only) got through and only failed on the CMDSPACE test.. But one of the X-Notes states the there was a timeout looking up the IP address (it's 24-51-32-177.kntnny.adelphia.net).. Anyway, I was wondering if there was a test could be

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
. I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow. Todd Hunter Smart Mail - Original Message - From: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file Anyone? -Original Message

[Declude.JunkMail] Global.CFG file for separate domains

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I was wondering if it's possible with the standard version to create a Global.cfg file or that type of file (whitelist and other configs) for separate domains (like the $default$.junkmail file).. Thanks.. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Spamdomains and there are not a lot of FPs. I will send you a spamdomains file tomorrow. Todd Hunter Smart Mail - Original Message - From: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: RE

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Here's the spamdomains.txt file I received off-list (for our setup, I left out the outblaze domains).. Don't forget to add the needed entries to the Global.cfg file and the $default$.junkmail files (see below).. Global.cfg _ SPAMDOMAINS

[Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I got a message that was from [EMAIL PROTECTED] but came from RoadRunners networks. There isn't a netscape entry in my SPAMDOMAINS.TXT file. I was just wondering what I would enter to make it so. I did a NSLOOKUP on netscape.com and the MX record points to

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com

2004-04-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
domain for netscape.com separate from the customer business as netscape.net ... Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] SPAMDOMAINS - Netscape.com Hello

[Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-16 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I think I'm going to implement the spam domains tests. Anyone have a file they would like to share that works well for them? --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file

2004-04-16 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Anyone? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Maze - Hostmaster Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 8:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Spamdomains.txt file Hello, I think I'm going to implement the spam domains

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Ipfile.txt

2004-04-16 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
One other thing.. If there are changes made to the ipfile.txt file, does the SMTP server need to be restarted for Declude to see and use these changes? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 1:22 PM

[Declude.JunkMail] all_list.date

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, Was just wondering what this file was? I missed a few days and didn't see anything in the archives.. Thanks.. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send

[Declude.JunkMail] Updating Global.CFG

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I'm also updating my Global.CFG file and noticed something new. What is WHITELIST AUTH? I checked the online manual, but there's nothing listed for it. There's an entry for WHITELIST HABEAS, but not AUTH. Thanks.. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus

[Declude.JunkMail] Ipfile.txt

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I accidentally overwrote my ipfile.txt test when I upgraded my Declude config files (global.cfg $default$.junkmail). Just wanted to make sure I get this right (would like to add this as well even though the latest-greatest global.cfg file is catching A LOT of spam). In the

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Updating Global.CFG

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
of the server when sending an email (so you can relay while off the local network) - since you're an authenticated user, you can choose to whitelist any emails from that particular session. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Maze

[Declude.JunkMail] Test

2004-04-11 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Haven't received messages from here nor Declude.Virus since Friday.. Just doing a test.. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED],

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Line FIlter

2004-03-24 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
And this only works in the Pro version, correct? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Line FIlter Scott... Am I correct that

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How do they do it?

2004-02-06 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
One problem we've recently had is that a mail server we were trying to send messages to would die intermittently.. Came to discover there were filters on their router that when a certain incident happened, it blocked everything from that computer IP for 4 hours.. Maybe this is something you'd

[Declude.JunkMail] [OT] A lot of messages from in queue

2003-12-16 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, Anyone know what lately (the last week or so) we've been getting a lot of message building up in queue with as the from address (according to the queue) and a to address listed as domains and other listings different that what we host. Any clues or iMail configuration

[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted

2003-11-18 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, One of our clients has been forwarding e-mails that have made it through the cracks and found something interesting. I have our network whitelisted, and have the secdns entry so that it checks the ip of the originating server when it comes through the sec mail server. But

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Spammer wanting servers?

2003-11-13 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Yeah, really.. 2,000 IP's, dedicated network for one $2,000 a month.. Uh, yeah right.. And the providers profit on that? hahahaha -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[Declude.JunkMail] Outbound failing IPNOTINMX

2003-10-23 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I have a client that is concerned because every message he sends out, Deculde states that it's failing the IPNOTINMX test. He's used dnsreport on his domain and replied to me with this line: Messages I send out are failing IPNOTINMX spam test. This is report from DNSreport.com you

[Declude.JunkMail] [OT] WEIRD Problem!

2003-10-21 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I've recently discovered something interesting happening with my laptop. Just a little FYI about it. I have all spam messages that fail the Declude Tests forwarded to a [EMAIL PROTECTED] account, which I download and review on my computer. I have NIS 2004 running on my laptop as

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] [OT] WEIRD Problem!

2003-10-21 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
I have outlook setup so that any messages received from the separate e-mail accounts (6 work e-mail accounts I look into), get automatically moved to folders other than my Inbox. So the host master account gets forwarded to the host master folder, spam to the spam folder, etc. Also, I have two

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] [OT] WEIRD Problem!

2003-10-21 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
password in your outlook. Have it prompt you. Much easier to stop these things when they cannot authenticate. Stan Lyzak, BSEE, CISSP, MCSE², CCNA, Security+, A+ Network Security Engineer ASysTech, Inc. -Original Message- From: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail/Web mail

2003-10-16 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Where do you get Kill Web Mail? Does it come with iMail 8? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frederick Samarelli Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Imail/Web mail I use Killer

[Declude.JunkMail] [OT] Signed Spam..

2003-10-13 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5089977.html?tag=nefd_top --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe

[Declude.JunkMail] [OT] iMail 6.06 behind firewall

2003-10-06 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
I know this is off-topic, but I've attempted numerous times to put our server behind a firewall, but upon doing so, the queue grows to an enormous proportion and the only way to clear it is to remove it from behind the firewall. Besides the normal ports 25, 110 and 80 (for web mail), do I also

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Backup MX / Spam

2003-10-02 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Use the IPBYPASS %sec mx ip% feature within the GLOBAL.CFG file. It will skip the ip address of your secondary mx record and run the check on the ip address of the originating server. IPBYPASSxxx.xxx.xxx.xxx -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How do I get removed

2003-09-10 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Yeah, I ran the test and we're also on the BLARSBL. Looked up the secondary mail server and that too is on the list. Looks like he just blocked our whole IP range. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Wednesday, September

[Declude.JunkMail] [OT] - Subject: URGENT URGENT URGENT

2003-09-10 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Title: Message Anyone else getting messages such as this? I'm getting them delivered into a number or different e-mail accounts. Could this be the next thing thanks to SoBig? -Original Message-From: Aron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:45 AMSubject:

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Using Declude to block Sobig Virus

2003-09-04 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Title: Message The one thing I've been doing since the "invasion" began was use our secondary mail server to block the IP's of infected machines. Most of the infected messages seem to come through this machine first. We're running Sendmail (with webmin interface; a lot easier to admin a

[Declude.JunkMail] [OT] Weird e-mails..

2003-09-03 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Anyone else seeing e-mails such as these:I've received a number of these and they're being caught by Declude as spam.. They also appear to be coming from more than one place, including rr.com.. __ Subject: How you been? Why hello ;) Whats been happening

[Declude.JunkMail] OSRELAY Replacement..

2003-08-28 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
So what are y'all beginning to use instead of the OSRELAY tests? I was using this and one of the other OS tests. Even though I still had 350 messages in my spam account this morning, I would like another test to replace these. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] FW: Attention mail server administrators

2003-08-28 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Yeah, I've had a number of people calling saying they can receive messages from our server, but get server time-outs when trying to send messages. Trying to talk to these non-IT type people is a pain. Trying to explain to them that it's not our server, but their internet provider and to call them

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Increased SPAM not being blocked.

2003-08-18 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Maybe start using the BLACKLIST option. I've been doing that for a little while, and it seems to cut back on a lot of spam. I have them setup with a 20 weight and a ROUTETO my spam account so I can review and see if they're legit or not.. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude

[Declude.JunkMail] A good SD.TXT File?

2003-07-22 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Anyone have one handy that might assist me? Hahaha Thanks.. Jeff --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] IP Blacklists

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Add the following line to your global.cfg file: BLACKLISTIP ipfile x:\IMail\Declude\ipfile.txt x 20 (edit the x:\IMail\Declude to the location of your IMail directory location) And then put the attached file into your Declude directory.. I've built this list over the

[Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update it was that caused the display of the IMail manager to be shifted and un-readable. Dang new people installed it and now I can't edit any of the entries, etc. Thanks.. Jeff --- [This E-mail was scanned for

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Maze - Hostmaster Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update Hello, Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update it was that caused the display of the IMail manager to be shifted

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Maze - Hostmaster Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update Hello, Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Maze - Hostmaster Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update Hello, Was wondering if anyone knew what the Microsoft update

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: Imail v6 and Windows Update

2003-07-17 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Title: Message Thanks Denny.. Removal went well and everything is back to normal.. Good to know that at least someone had gone through the same thing.. hahaha -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denny JodeitSent: Thursday, July

[Declude.JunkMail] OT: Hackers try to get points this weekend..

2003-07-03 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
http://www.driverheaven.net/index.php?action=views=6f6fd9a1c35681a95272ecec 6235161darticleid=3793 Copy and paste into web browser to read article.. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list.

[Declude.JunkMail] Subject Contains test

2003-07-01 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I was wondering if there was a subject contains type of test. E.g. A message subject line contains Viagra, kinky, xxx, sex, etc. it will fail the tests. Is there something like this already? Thanks.. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Contains test

2003-07-01 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Ahh, ok.. Thanks.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smart Business Lists Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2003 8:29 AM To: Jeff Maze - Hostmaster Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Subject Contains test Jeff, Tuesday, July 1, 2003 you wrote: JMH I

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Unknown Folder

2003-06-28 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
I hope it's because of F-Prot! I noticed these too, but we have maybe 10 or so right now. If anyone knows what they're for or if they can be deleted, I'd be interested.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Saturday, June

RE: Spam Alert: [Declude.JunkMail] For real?

2003-06-06 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
I'm sure there are a couple friends that you could contact on IRC and just see how HACKER-PROOF their system truly are. hahaha -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sean Fahey Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 9:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:

[Declude.JunkMail] Global.Cfg - IPBYPASS

2003-03-18 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I put something on this mailing list earlier about spam messages being forwarded automatically from our secondary mail server because the local subnet is white listed. You said to add the IPBYPASS line with the IP address of the secondary mail server, and Declude would then run the

[Declude.JunkMail] ipfiles.txt - Blacklisted IP's

2003-03-14 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello, I created this file and put a new test line in the global.cfg, but have a question. There was a whole class-c bank of porn ad spam mailers that I wish to block. Instead of putting in every IP address, can I just put this entry in the IPFILE.TXT file? xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/24

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] High Resource Usage

2003-02-19 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Wow.. It maybe time to upgrade the server to dual Xeon 3Ghz 533's.. Moving iMail from one machine to another really isn't that hard.. I had to upgrade our server.. The directions Ipswitch provides on their knowledge base is very helpful.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]