Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted address getting trapped anyway

2006-03-21 Thread David Franco-Rocha [ Declude ]



The WHITELIST FROM directive uses the sender of the 
message as specified in the message envelope (MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]), which may or may 
not correspond to the From: line in the headers of the message itself. In this 
case, it did not.

The filters operate on the message file, not on the 
envelope. That is why you can have different results like in this case. The 
X-Declude-Sender: x-header is the sender as specified in the 
envelope.

David Franco-Rocha
Declude Technical / Engineering


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Scott 
  Fisher 
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 12:00 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 
  Whitelisted address getting trapped anyway
  
  You might need WHITELIST from .xx.com 
  (the smtp sender address looks to be in the fromat [EMAIL PROTECTED])
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Harry 
Vanderzand 
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com 

Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:17 
AM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted 
address getting trapped anyway

have an addres that I have 
whitelisted

WHITELIST FROM @.com in 
global.cfg

Yet somehow it got marked as spam

There was a matchin a filter file

How is this possible?

Should whitelisting not take 
precedence?

See headers below

Received: from mailface.roving.com 
[63.251.135.75] by intown.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id A17A068C; 
Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:43:54 -0500Received: from ws06 (unknown 
[10.200.200.61])by mailface.roving.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 
8224448C003for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 17 
Mar 2006 14:42:37 -0500 (EST)Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:43:53 -0500 (EST)From: Ken Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: We 
Need Your InputMIME-Version: 1.0Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="=_Part_13064663_1921543487.1142624633764"X-Roving-Queued: 
20060317 02:43:53.764X-Mailer: Roving Constant Contact 0 (http://www.constantcontact.com)X-Return-Path-Hint: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Roving-ID: 
1101247029557X-Lumos-SenderID: 1011230829116X-Roving-CampaignId: 
1101247029557X-Roving-StreamId: 0X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[63.251.135.75]X-Declude-Spoolname: D11790199df6a.smdX-Note: 
Total spam weight of this E-mail is 22.X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: 
FIVETEN-BULK [3], MYFILTER [19], WEIGHT10 [10], WEIGHT11 [11], WEIGHT12 
[12], WEIGHT15 [15], WEIGHT19 [19]X-Note: REMOTEIP: 
63.251.135.75X-Note: REVDNS: mailface.roving.comX-Note: FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Note: 
TO: X-Spam-Tests-Failed: FIVETEN-BULK, MYFILTER, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT11, 
WEIGHT12, WEIGHT15, WEIGHT19 [22]X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Status: 
UX-UIDL: 428964605X-IMail-ThreadID: 11790199df6a



Harry Vanderzand inTown Internet  
Computer Services 11 Belmont Ave. W., Kitchener, ON,N2M 
1L2519-741-1222




RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted address getting trapped anyway

2006-03-18 Thread Panda Consulting S.A. Luis Alberto Arango



check your declude logs.. post them here, they would be 
able to give us more info

Luis Arango


  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry 
  VanderzandSent: Sábado, 18 de Marzo de 2006 11:18 
  a.m.To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: 
  [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted address getting trapped 
  anyway
  
  have an addres that I have 
  whitelisted
  
  WHITELIST FROM @.com in 
  global.cfg
  
  Yet somehow it got marked as spam
  
  There was a matchin a filter file
  
  How is this possible?
  
  Should whitelisting not take 
  precedence?
  
  See headers below
  
  Received: from mailface.roving.com 
  [63.251.135.75] by intown.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id A17A068C; 
  Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:43:54 -0500Received: from ws06 (unknown 
  [10.200.200.61])by mailface.roving.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 
  8224448C003for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 17 Mar 
  2006 14:42:37 -0500 (EST)Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
  Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:43:53 -0500 (EST)From: Ken Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: We 
  Need Your InputMIME-Version: 1.0Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
  boundary="=_Part_13064663_1921543487.1142624633764"X-Roving-Queued: 
  20060317 02:43:53.764X-Mailer: Roving Constant Contact 0 (http://www.constantcontact.com)X-Return-Path-Hint: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Roving-ID: 
  1101247029557X-Lumos-SenderID: 1011230829116X-Roving-CampaignId: 
  1101247029557X-Roving-StreamId: 0X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [63.251.135.75]X-Declude-Spoolname: D11790199df6a.smdX-Note: Total 
  spam weight of this E-mail is 22.X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: FIVETEN-BULK 
  [3], MYFILTER [19], WEIGHT10 [10], WEIGHT11 [11], WEIGHT12 [12], WEIGHT15 
  [15], WEIGHT19 [19]X-Note: REMOTEIP: 63.251.135.75X-Note: REVDNS: 
  mailface.roving.comX-Note: FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Note: 
  TO: X-Spam-Tests-Failed: FIVETEN-BULK, MYFILTER, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT11, 
  WEIGHT12, WEIGHT15, WEIGHT19 [22]X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Status: 
  UX-UIDL: 428964605X-IMail-ThreadID: 11790199df6a
  
  
  
  Harry Vanderzand inTown Internet  
  Computer Services 11 Belmont Ave. W., Kitchener, ON,N2M 
  1L2519-741-1222
  
  


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted address getting trapped anyway

2006-03-18 Thread David Barker
Harry,
 
This is the actual sender of the email
 
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  [63.251.135.75]
 
Not

From: Ken Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]

David B
www.declude.com




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Vanderzand
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 11:18 AM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted address getting trapped anyway


have an addres that I have whitelisted
 
WHITELIST FROM @.com in global.cfg
 
Yet somehow it got marked as spam
 
There was a match in a filter file
 
How is this possible?
 
Should whitelisting not take precedence?
 
See headers below
 
Received: from mailface.roving.com [63.251.135.75] by intown.net with ESMTP
  (SMTPD-8.22) id A17A068C; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:43:54 -0500
Received: from ws06 (unknown [10.200.200.61])
 by mailface.roving.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8224448C003
 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:42:37 -0500 (EST)
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:43:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Ken Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: We Need Your Input
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
 boundary==_Part_13064663_1921543487.1142624633764
X-Roving-Queued: 20060317 02:43:53.764
X-Mailer: Roving Constant Contact 0 (http://www.constantcontact.com)
X-Return-Path-Hint: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Roving-ID: 1101247029557
X-Lumos-SenderID: 1011230829116
X-Roving-CampaignId: 1101247029557
X-Roving-StreamId: 0
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[63.251.135.75]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D11790199df6a.smd
X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 22.
X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: FIVETEN-BULK [3], MYFILTER [19], WEIGHT10 [10],
WEIGHT11 [11], WEIGHT12 [12], WEIGHT15 [15], WEIGHT19 [19]
X-Note: REMOTEIP: 63.251.135.75
X-Note: REVDNS: mailface.roving.com
X-Note: FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Note: TO: 
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: FIVETEN-BULK, MYFILTER, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT11, WEIGHT12,
WEIGHT15, WEIGHT19 [22]
X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Status: U
X-UIDL: 428964605
X-IMail-ThreadID: 11790199df6a
 
 
 
Harry Vanderzand 
inTown Internet  Computer Services 
11 Belmont Ave. W., Kitchener, ON,N2M 1L2
519-741-1222
 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted address getting trapped anyway

2006-03-18 Thread Scott Fisher



You might need WHITELIST from .xx.com 
(the smtp sender address looks to be in the fromat [EMAIL PROTECTED])

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Harry Vanderzand 
  
  To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com 
  
  Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:17 
  AM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted 
  address getting trapped anyway
  
  have an addres that I have 
  whitelisted
  
  WHITELIST FROM @.com in 
  global.cfg
  
  Yet somehow it got marked as spam
  
  There was a matchin a filter file
  
  How is this possible?
  
  Should whitelisting not take 
  precedence?
  
  See headers below
  
  Received: from mailface.roving.com 
  [63.251.135.75] by intown.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id A17A068C; 
  Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:43:54 -0500Received: from ws06 (unknown 
  [10.200.200.61])by mailface.roving.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 
  8224448C003for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Fri, 17 Mar 
  2006 14:42:37 -0500 (EST)Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
  Fri, 17 Mar 2006 14:43:53 -0500 (EST)From: Ken Weinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: We 
  Need Your InputMIME-Version: 1.0Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
  boundary="=_Part_13064663_1921543487.1142624633764"X-Roving-Queued: 
  20060317 02:43:53.764X-Mailer: Roving Constant Contact 0 (http://www.constantcontact.com)X-Return-Path-Hint: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Roving-ID: 
  1101247029557X-Lumos-SenderID: 1011230829116X-Roving-CampaignId: 
  1101247029557X-Roving-StreamId: 0X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [63.251.135.75]X-Declude-Spoolname: D11790199df6a.smdX-Note: Total 
  spam weight of this E-mail is 22.X-Note: Spam Tests Failed: FIVETEN-BULK 
  [3], MYFILTER [19], WEIGHT10 [10], WEIGHT11 [11], WEIGHT12 [12], WEIGHT15 
  [15], WEIGHT19 [19]X-Note: REMOTEIP: 63.251.135.75X-Note: REVDNS: 
  mailface.roving.comX-Note: FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Note: 
  TO: X-Spam-Tests-Failed: FIVETEN-BULK, MYFILTER, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT11, 
  WEIGHT12, WEIGHT15, WEIGHT19 [22]X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Status: 
  UX-UIDL: 428964605X-IMail-ThreadID: 11790199df6a
  
  
  
  Harry Vanderzand inTown Internet  
  Computer Services 11 Belmont Ave. W., Kitchener, ON,N2M 
  1L2519-741-1222
  
  


[Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted but not

2005-06-06 Thread Susan Duncan








Here are the headers from a message that
was forwarded to my spam email account.  It shows that its whitelisted
but it was still caught.



X-Declude-Sender:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [127.0.0.1]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D5E8705DC5A1F.GSC
X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 2.0.6 (http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm)
for spam.
X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 21:19:04 on 01 Jun 2005
X-Declude-Tests: Whitelisted
X-Country-Chain: 
X-RBL-Warning: MXRATE-BLOCK: http://www.mxrate.com/lookup/refused.asp?ipaddress=32.97.166.48
X-RBL-Warning: MAILFROM: Domain ute-sei.org has no MX or A records [0001].
X-RBL-Warning: SUBJECTCHARS: Subject with at least 50 characters found.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [32.97.166.48]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D5EF114F40118D5BC.SMD
X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 2.0.6 (http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm)
for spam.
X-Declude-Scan: Score [18] at 21:20:52 on 01 Jun 2005
X-Declude-Tests: MXRATE-BLOCK, MAILFROM, SUBJECTCHARS, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT14
X-Country-Chain: CANADA-UNITED STATES-destination





Susan Duncan 
Web/Communications Officer / Agent des Communications/web
Union of Taxation Employees / Syndicat des employées de l'Impôt
Tel: 613-235-6704 ext 240
Fax: 613-234-7290
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ute-sei.org/












RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted but not

2005-06-06 Thread Dan Horne



um, there are 2 X-Declude-Tests lines. One of them is 
proably added by the sender (likely the whitelisted line). Note that there 
are also 2 X-Declude-Spoolname lines with different 
spoolnames.

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan 
  DuncanSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:57 PMTo: 
  Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted 
  but not
  
  
  Here are the headers 
  from a message that was forwarded to my spam email account. It shows 
  that it’s whitelisted but it was still caught.
  
  X-Declude-Sender: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [127.0.0.1]X-Declude-Spoolname: 
  D5E8705DC5A1F.GSCX-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 2.0.6 (http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm) 
  for spam.X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 21:19:04 on 01 Jun 
  2005X-Declude-Tests: WhitelistedX-Country-Chain: X-RBL-Warning: 
  MXRATE-BLOCK: "http://www.mxrate.com/lookup/refused.asp?ipaddress=32.97.166.48"X-RBL-Warning: 
  MAILFROM: Domain ute-sei.org has no MX or A records [0001].X-RBL-Warning: 
  SUBJECTCHARS: Subject with at least 50 characters found.X-Declude-Sender: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [32.97.166.48]X-Declude-Spoolname: 
  D5EF114F40118D5BC.SMDX-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 2.0.6 (http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm) 
  for spam.X-Declude-Scan: Score [18] at 21:20:52 on 01 Jun 
  2005X-Declude-Tests: MXRATE-BLOCK, MAILFROM, SUBJECTCHARS, WEIGHT10, 
  WEIGHT14X-Country-Chain: CANADA-UNITED 
  STATES-destination
  
  
  Susan Duncan Web/Communications 
  Officer / Agent des Communications/webUnion of Taxation Employees / 
  Syndicat des employées de l'ImpôtTel: 613-235-6704 ext 240Fax: 
  613-234-7290e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.ute-sei.org/
  


RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted but not

2005-06-06 Thread Susan Duncan









Yes, I notice that afterwards.  Im
not sure why there are two spoolname lines or two test lines.  Looking up info
in the logfile got very confusing.  





Susan Duncan 
Web/Communications Officer / Agent des Communications/web
Union of Taxation Employees / Syndicat des employées de l'Impôt
Tel: 613-235-6704 ext 240
Fax: 613-234-7290
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ute-sei.org/



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dan Horne
Sent: June 6, 2005 2:44 PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail]
whitelisted but not



um, there are 2
X-Declude-Tests lines. One of them is proably added by the sender (likely
the whitelisted line). Note that there are also 2 X-Declude-Spoolname
lines with different spoolnames.











From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Susan Duncan
Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:57
PM
To: Declude.JunkMail@declude.com
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail]
whitelisted but not

Here are the headers from
a message that was forwarded to my spam email account. It shows that
its whitelisted but it was still caught.



X-Declude-Sender:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [127.0.0.1]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D5E8705DC5A1F.GSC
X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 2.0.6 (http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm)
for spam.
X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 21:19:04 on 01 Jun 2005
X-Declude-Tests: Whitelisted
X-Country-Chain: 
X-RBL-Warning: MXRATE-BLOCK: http://www.mxrate.com/lookup/refused.asp?ipaddress=32.97.166.48
X-RBL-Warning: MAILFROM: Domain ute-sei.org has no MX or A records [0001].
X-RBL-Warning: SUBJECTCHARS: Subject with at least 50 characters found.
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [32.97.166.48]
X-Declude-Spoolname: D5EF114F40118D5BC.SMD
X-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 2.0.6 (http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm)
for spam.
X-Declude-Scan: Score [18] at 21:20:52 on 01 Jun 2005
X-Declude-Tests: MXRATE-BLOCK, MAILFROM, SUBJECTCHARS, WEIGHT10, WEIGHT14
X-Country-Chain: CANADA-UNITED STATES-destination





Susan Duncan 
Web/Communications Officer / Agent des Communications/web
Union of Taxation Employees / Syndicat des employées de l'Impôt
Tel: 613-235-6704 ext 240
Fax: 613-234-7290
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.ute-sei.org/














RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted but not

2005-06-06 Thread Dan Horne



It likely means that the sender also uses Declude and scans 
outgoing email.

  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan 
  DuncanSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:05 PMTo: 
  Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 
  whitelisted but not
  
  
  Yes, I notice that 
  afterwards. I’m not sure why there are two spoolname lines or two test 
  lines. Looking up info in the logfile got very confusing. 
  
  
  
  Susan Duncan Web/Communications 
  Officer / Agent des Communications/webUnion of Taxation Employees / 
  Syndicat des employées de l'ImpôtTel: 613-235-6704 ext 240Fax: 
  613-234-7290e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.ute-sei.org/
  -Original 
  Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Dan 
  HorneSent: June 6, 2005 2:44 
  PMTo: 
  Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 
  whitelisted but not
  
  um, 
  there are 2 X-Declude-Tests lines. One of them is proably added by the 
  sender (likely the whitelisted line). Note that there are also 2 
  X-Declude-Spoolname lines with different spoolnames.
  




From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan DuncanSent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:57 
PMTo: 
Declude.JunkMail@declude.comSubject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted 
but not
Here 
are the headers from a message that was forwarded to my spam email 
account. It shows that it’s whitelisted but it was still 
caught.

X-Declude-Sender: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [127.0.0.1]X-Declude-Spoolname: 
D5E8705DC5A1F.GSCX-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 2.0.6 (http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm) 
for spam.X-Declude-Scan: Score [0] at 21:19:04 on 01 Jun 
2005X-Declude-Tests: WhitelistedX-Country-Chain: X-RBL-Warning: 
MXRATE-BLOCK: "http://www.mxrate.com/lookup/refused.asp?ipaddress=32.97.166.48"X-RBL-Warning: 
MAILFROM: Domain ute-sei.org has no MX or A records 
[0001].X-RBL-Warning: SUBJECTCHARS: Subject with at least 50 characters 
found.X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[32.97.166.48]X-Declude-Spoolname: 
D5EF114F40118D5BC.SMDX-Declude-Note: Scanned by Declude 2.0.6 (http://www.declude.com/x-note.htm) 
for spam.X-Declude-Scan: Score [18] at 21:20:52 on 01 Jun 
2005X-Declude-Tests: MXRATE-BLOCK, MAILFROM, SUBJECTCHARS, WEIGHT10, 
WEIGHT14X-Country-Chain: CANADA-UNITED 
STATES-destination


Susan Duncan 
Web/Communications Officer / Agent des Communications/webUnion of 
Taxation Employees / Syndicat des employées de l'ImpôtTel: 613-235-6704 
ext 240Fax: 613-234-7290e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.ute-sei.org/



[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted[0]

2004-07-20 Thread Jay Calvert



Hi all,

We tag email with the subject tag "SPAM*-" when 
email gets a score of higher than 10.

What happened here. It says that it was 
whitelisted but it still tagged with "SPAM*-"


Message Headers.


Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: "Eddie 
Jacob" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
RE: *SPAM -FW: National Flame ScheduleDate: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 13:23:43 
-0500Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]MIME-Version: 
1.0Content-Type: 
text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 
quoted-printableX-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 
10.0.2627Thread-Index: AcRuhvuoW48llqwwRhSwNFVG4SVYDA==X-MimeOLE: 
Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Declude-Sender:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[208.57.78.89]X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for 
spam.X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0]X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-UIDL: 
356763148




Jay Calvert


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted[0]

2004-07-20 Thread R. Scott Perry

We tag email with the subject tag SPAM*- when email gets a score of 
higher than 10.

What happened here.  It says that it was whitelisted but it still tagged 
with SPAM*-
What happened here is that someone got an E-mail with *SPAM in the 
subject, and replied to it:

Subject: RE: *SPAM -FW: National Flame Schedule
Declude JunkMail only adds to the beginning of the subject, but this one 
starts with RE:.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted[0]

2004-07-20 Thread Jay Calvert



Nevermind!
Is it Friday yet?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jay 
  Calvert 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:17 
PM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] 
  Whitelisted[0]
  
  Hi all,
  
  We tag email with the subject tag "SPAM*-" when 
  email gets a score of higher than 10.
  
  What happened here. It says that it was 
  whitelisted but it still tagged with "SPAM*-"
  
  
  Message Headers.
  
  
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru

2004-05-21 Thread Richard Farris
Does it matter that I don't have postmaster whitelisted...is this test still
valid?

Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
1.270.247. Office
1.800.548.3877 Tech Support

- Original Message - 
From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru


 Andy,

 This works because the action on the Postmaster test is ROUTETO back to
the
 postmaster.

 How it works
 [1] Lowers the weight of the email by 100 so that the message will not be
held
 or deleted in our system
 [2] Re-routes the message back to the postmaster only if the postmaster
account
 was an actual recipient of that email.

 Our policy is that we want to accept any mail destined to the postmaster
or
 abuse account simply because if someone is being blocked by our spam
filtering
 we would like to give them the opportunity to contact us to resolve the
issue.

 However, with just whitelisting the postmaster account you open yourself
up to
 allowing spam to your users if the spammer adds the postmaster account to
the
 email.

 The solution above mitigates this, because it reroutes the message to the
 postmaster preventing it from going to the user.  The -100 just prevents
it
 from being deleted.

 So in the end
 [1] The postmaster gets the mail and the other recipients don't.

 Darrell

 Quoting Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Darrell:
 
  Your technique assigns a weight of -100 to the mail if it contains a
certain
  email address as the recipient?
 
  Once the mail has a weight of -100 (adjusted by any failed tests) - how
does
  that PREVENT the email from being delivered to all the OTHER recipients?
 
  I'm not clear how the effect is different from a whitelist?
 
  Best Regards
  Andy Schmidt
 
  HM Systems Software, Inc.
  600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
  Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846
 
  Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
  Fax:+1 201 934-9206
 
  http://www.HM-Software.com/
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:51 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
 
 
  Richard,
 
  This is a common problem especially when dealing with postmaster
account.
  Most people whitelist postmaster and because spammers know this they
often
  include a postmaster address because they know the message (even to the
  other recipients) will be delivered.
 
  I posted awhile back on what I do to get around it.  Check out
  http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg11041.html
 
  Hope this helps!
  Darrell
 
  -
  Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and
  Imail.
 
  Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I have
   several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed to them it
   sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or BCC...
  
   Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that
   person in the To: box?
  
   Richard Farris
   Ethixs Online
   1.270.247. Office
   1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
  
  
 
 
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru

2004-05-21 Thread Darrell \([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Richard,

In my experience it is not a good idea to whitelist the postmaster account for
the exact reasons you posted below.  If you have the postmaster account
whitelisted any incoming spam with multiple recipients listed will end up
having the mail delivered. 

However, the setup of tests below that I outlined [1] allows the mail to be
delivered to the postmaster, but [2] prevents it from being delivered to the
other recipients.

Hope that helps.

Darrell


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Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Does it matter that I don't have postmaster whitelisted...is this test still
 valid?
 
 Richard Farris
 Ethixs Online
 1.270.247. Office
 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:44 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
 
 
  Andy,
 
  This works because the action on the Postmaster test is ROUTETO back to
 the
  postmaster.
 
  How it works
  [1] Lowers the weight of the email by 100 so that the message will not be
 held
  or deleted in our system
  [2] Re-routes the message back to the postmaster only if the postmaster
 account
  was an actual recipient of that email.
 
  Our policy is that we want to accept any mail destined to the postmaster
 or
  abuse account simply because if someone is being blocked by our spam
 filtering
  we would like to give them the opportunity to contact us to resolve the
 issue.
 
  However, with just whitelisting the postmaster account you open yourself
 up to
  allowing spam to your users if the spammer adds the postmaster account to
 the
  email.
 
  The solution above mitigates this, because it reroutes the message to the
  postmaster preventing it from going to the user.  The -100 just prevents
 it
  from being deleted.
 
  So in the end
  [1] The postmaster gets the mail and the other recipients don't.
 
  Darrell
 
  Quoting Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Darrell:
  
   Your technique assigns a weight of -100 to the mail if it contains a
 certain
   email address as the recipient?
  
   Once the mail has a weight of -100 (adjusted by any failed tests) - how
 does
   that PREVENT the email from being delivered to all the OTHER recipients?
  
   I'm not clear how the effect is different from a whitelist?
  
   Best Regards
   Andy Schmidt
  
   HM Systems Software, Inc.
   600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
   Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846
  
   Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
   Fax:+1 201 934-9206
  
   http://www.HM-Software.com/
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
   ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:51 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
  
  
   Richard,
  
   This is a common problem especially when dealing with postmaster
 account.
   Most people whitelist postmaster and because spammers know this they
 often
   include a postmaster address because they know the message (even to the
   other recipients) will be delivered.
  
   I posted awhile back on what I do to get around it.  Check out
   http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg11041.html
  
   Hope this helps!
   Darrell
  
   -
   Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and
   Imail.
  
   Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I have
several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed to them it
sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or BCC...
   
Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that
person in the To: box?
   
Richard Farris
Ethixs Online
1.270.247. Office
1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
   
   
  
  
  
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru

2004-05-21 Thread Andy Schmidt
Actually - I used combinations of BypassWhitelisting with both the total
weight and number of recipients.

Someone who has a high weight and sends to the postmaster only, can get
through.

Someone who sends to a few people plus the postmaster, can only have a
medium weight.

Someone who sends to a whole bunch of people plus the postmaster, better
have close to 0 weight.

This way, VALID messages to postmaster can get through.  The higher the
weight, the less tolerant my system is with allowing additional recipients.

Every day a TON of messages are NOT whitelisted - because the weight and/or
the number of other recipients was too high.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206 



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 08:40 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru


Richard,

In my experience it is not a good idea to whitelist the postmaster account
for the exact reasons you posted below.  If you have the postmaster account
whitelisted any incoming spam with multiple recipients listed will end up
having the mail delivered. 

However, the setup of tests below that I outlined [1] allows the mail to be
delivered to the postmaster, but [2] prevents it from being delivered to the
other recipients.

Hope that helps.

Darrell


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Imail.


Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Does it matter that I don't have postmaster whitelisted...is this test 
 still valid?
 
 Richard Farris
 Ethixs Online
 1.270.247. Office
 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:44 PM
 Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
 
 
  Andy,
 
  This works because the action on the Postmaster test is ROUTETO 
  back to
 the
  postmaster.
 
  How it works
  [1] Lowers the weight of the email by 100 so that the message will 
  not be
 held
  or deleted in our system
  [2] Re-routes the message back to the postmaster only if the 
  postmaster
 account
  was an actual recipient of that email.
 
  Our policy is that we want to accept any mail destined to the 
  postmaster
 or
  abuse account simply because if someone is being blocked by our spam
 filtering
  we would like to give them the opportunity to contact us to resolve 
  the
 issue.
 
  However, with just whitelisting the postmaster account you open 
  yourself
 up to
  allowing spam to your users if the spammer adds the postmaster 
  account to
 the
  email.
 
  The solution above mitigates this, because it reroutes the message 
  to the postmaster preventing it from going to the user.  The -100 
  just prevents
 it
  from being deleted.
 
  So in the end
  [1] The postmaster gets the mail and the other recipients don't.
 
  Darrell
 
  Quoting Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   Darrell:
  
   Your technique assigns a weight of -100 to the mail if it contains 
   a
 certain
   email address as the recipient?
  
   Once the mail has a weight of -100 (adjusted by any failed tests) 
   - how
 does
   that PREVENT the email from being delivered to all the OTHER 
   recipients?
  
   I'm not clear how the effect is different from a whitelist?
  
   Best Regards
   Andy Schmidt
  
   HM Systems Software, Inc.
   600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
   Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846
  
   Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
   Fax:+1 201 934-9206
  
   http://www.HM-Software.com/
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
   ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:51 PM
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
  
  
   Richard,
  
   This is a common problem especially when dealing with postmaster
 account.
   Most people whitelist postmaster and because spammers know this 
   they
 often
   include a postmaster address because they know the message (even 
   to the other recipients) will be delivered.
  
   I posted awhile back on what I do to get around it.  Check out 
   http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg11041.
   html
  
   Hope this helps!
   Darrell
  
   -
   Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for 
   Declude and Imail.
  
   Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  
I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I 
have several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed 
to them it sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the 
CC or BCC...
   
Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that 
person in the To: box

[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru

2004-05-19 Thread Richard Farris



I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru 
is because a I have several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed 
to them it sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or 
BCC...

Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is 
addressed to that person in the To: box?
Richard FarrisEthixs Online1.270.247. 
Office1.800.548.3877 Tech Support



Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru

2004-05-19 Thread Nick Hayer
On 19 May 2004 at 9:04, Richard Farris wrote:
Kinda - there is a test called 
BYPASSWHITELIST

http://www.mail-
archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg17561.html

Hope this helps!

-Nick Hayer
 
 I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I have
 several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed to them it
 sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or BCC...
 
 Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that
 person in the To: box?
 
 Richard Farris
 Ethixs Online
 1.270.247. Office
 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
 


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru

2004-05-19 Thread Andy Schmidt
Darrell:

Your technique assigns a weight of -100 to the mail if it contains a certain
email address as the recipient?

Once the mail has a weight of -100 (adjusted by any failed tests) - how does
that PREVENT the email from being delivered to all the OTHER recipients?

I'm not clear how the effect is different from a whitelist?

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:51 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru


Richard,

This is a common problem especially when dealing with postmaster account.
Most people whitelist postmaster and because spammers know this they often
include a postmaster address because they know the message (even to the
other recipients) will be delivered.

I posted awhile back on what I do to get around it.  Check out
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg11041.html

Hope this helps!
Darrell

-
Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and
Imail.

Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I have 
 several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed to them it 
 sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or BCC...
 
 Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that 
 person in the To: box?
 
 Richard Farris
 Ethixs Online
 1.270.247. Office
 1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
 
 



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru

2004-05-19 Thread Darrell \([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Andy,

This works because the action on the Postmaster test is ROUTETO back to the
postmaster.  

How it works
[1] Lowers the weight of the email by 100 so that the message will not be held
or deleted in our system
[2] Re-routes the message back to the postmaster only if the postmaster account
was an actual recipient of that email.

Our policy is that we want to accept any mail destined to the postmaster or
abuse account simply because if someone is being blocked by our spam filtering
we would like to give them the opportunity to contact us to resolve the issue.

However, with just whitelisting the postmaster account you open yourself up to
allowing spam to your users if the spammer adds the postmaster account to the
email.  

The solution above mitigates this, because it reroutes the message to the
postmaster preventing it from going to the user.  The -100 just prevents it
from being deleted.  

So in the end
[1] The postmaster gets the mail and the other recipients don't.  

Darrell

Quoting Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Darrell:
 
 Your technique assigns a weight of -100 to the mail if it contains a certain
 email address as the recipient?
 
 Once the mail has a weight of -100 (adjusted by any failed tests) - how does
 that PREVENT the email from being delivered to all the OTHER recipients?
 
 I'm not clear how the effect is different from a whitelist?
 
 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt
 
 HM Systems Software, Inc.
 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846
 
 Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
 Fax:+1 201 934-9206
 
 http://www.HM-Software.com/
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:51 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
 
 
 Richard,
 
 This is a common problem especially when dealing with postmaster account.
 Most people whitelist postmaster and because spammers know this they often
 include a postmaster address because they know the message (even to the
 other recipients) will be delivered.
 
 I posted awhile back on what I do to get around it.  Check out
 http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg11041.html
 
 Hope this helps!
 Darrell
 
 -
 Check out http://www.invariantsystems.com for utilities for Declude and
 Imail.
 
 Quoting Richard Farris [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
  I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I have 
  several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed to them it 
  sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or BCC...
  
  Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that 
  person in the To: box?
  
  Richard Farris
  Ethixs Online
  1.270.247. Office
  1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
  
  
 
 
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru

2004-05-19 Thread Andy Schmidt
Uh - INTERESTING.

I need to read up on ROUTETO.  I didn't realize it could be used to
eliminate extraneous CC/BCC users.

Best Regards
Andy Schmidt

HM Systems Software, Inc.
600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846

Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
Fax:+1 201 934-9206

http://www.HM-Software.com/


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 02:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru


Andy,

This works because the action on the Postmaster test is ROUTETO back to
the postmaster.  

How it works
[1] Lowers the weight of the email by 100 so that the message will not be
held or deleted in our system [2] Re-routes the message back to the
postmaster only if the postmaster account was an actual recipient of that
email.

Our policy is that we want to accept any mail destined to the postmaster or
abuse account simply because if someone is being blocked by our spam
filtering we would like to give them the opportunity to contact us to
resolve the issue.

However, with just whitelisting the postmaster account you open yourself up
to allowing spam to your users if the spammer adds the postmaster account to
the email.  

The solution above mitigates this, because it reroutes the message to the
postmaster preventing it from going to the user.  The -100 just prevents it
from being deleted.  

So in the end
[1] The postmaster gets the mail and the other recipients don't.  

Darrell

Quoting Andy Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Darrell:
 
 Your technique assigns a weight of -100 to the mail if it contains a 
 certain email address as the recipient?
 
 Once the mail has a weight of -100 (adjusted by any failed tests) - 
 how does that PREVENT the email from being delivered to all the OTHER 
 recipients?
 
 I'm not clear how the effect is different from a whitelist?
 
 Best Regards
 Andy Schmidt
 
 HM Systems Software, Inc.
 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203
 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846
 
 Phone:  +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business)
 Fax:+1 201 934-9206
 
 http://www.HM-Software.com/
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darrell
 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
 Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:51 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted- getting thru
 
 
 Richard,
 
 This is a common problem especially when dealing with postmaster 
 account. Most people whitelist postmaster and because spammers know 
 this they often include a postmaster address because they know the 
 message (even to the other recipients) will be delivered.
 
 I posted awhile back on what I do to get around it.  Check out 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg11041.html
 
 Hope this helps!
 Darrell
 
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  I have noticed that some of the spam getting thru is because a I 
  have
  several in my whitelist and even though it is not addressed to them it 
  sends it on because the whitelisted email is in the CC or BCC...
  
  Isn't there any way to whitelist only if it is addressed to that
  person in the To: box?
  
  Richard Farris
  Ethixs Online
  1.270.247. Office
  1.800.548.3877 Tech Support
  
  
 
 
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?

2004-01-18 Thread Todd


I have spam that is getting through. The headers show Whitelisted
(0) . 
From: Terrell Vann [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Reply-To: Terrell Vann [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: LOw Cost Som@, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], Valï(u)m, Viagr@ Di3t Pills Many M3ds
kyrqbxh 
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:26:02 +0500 
X-Mailer: PIPEX NetMail 2.2.0-pre13 
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [67.172.213.160] 
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail
(www.declude.com)
for spam. 
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0] 
X-Note: This E-mail was sent from c-67-172-213-160.client.comcast.net
([67.172.213.160]). 

I only have one Whitelist entry in by Declude config besides the
default and I generally do not use whitelists. Since I
dont use them I not up on what may be causing this. 
WHITELISTHABEAS
WHITELISTFROM
@i360.net
Can anyone shed some light?
Thanks,

Todd Hunter






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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?

2004-01-18 Thread Joshua Levitsky



That's one of those Habeas header emails. 
Whitelisting them lately has been a very bad idea. It's nice though that they 
always seem to mark their spam with a low priority. I just sort by priority and 
I can select all the offenders and forward them to spamcop. 
--Joshua Levitsky, MCSE, CISSPSystem EngineerTime Inc. 
Information Technology[5957 F27C 9C71 E9A7 274A 0447 C9B9 75A4 9B41 
D4D1]

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  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:33 
  PM
  Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] 
  Whitelisted?
  I have spam that is getting through. The headers show 
  Whitelisted (0) . From: "Terrell Vann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Reply-To: "Terrell Vann" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LOw Cost 
  Som@, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], Valï(u)m, Viagr@ Di3t Pills Many M3ds kyrqbxh Date: Sun, 18 
  Jan 2004 10:26:02 +0500 X-Mailer: PIPEX NetMail 2.2.0-pre13 
  X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [67.172.213.160] X-Note: This 
  E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. X-Spam-Tests-Failed: 
  Whitelisted [0] X-Note: This E-mail was sent from 
  c-67-172-213-160.client.comcast.net ([67.172.213.160]). I only 
  have one Whitelist entry in by Declude config besides the default 
  and I generally do not use whitelists. Since I dont use them I not up on 
  what may be causing this. WHITELISTHABEASWHITELISTFROM 
  @i360.netCan anyone shed some 
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[Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread andyb
HI,

I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS...  Here are
the headers.

These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been compromised?

Comments Please.

thanks, Andy

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Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
From: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GOT Valï(u)m, Viagr@, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], Som@ Di3t Pills Many M3ds Y5iov
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:49:04 -0100
X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.0-p1)/MIME
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary=--891940459175399
X-Priority: 5
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [62.78.191.7]
X-RBL-Warning: Total weight: 0
X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0.
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0]
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread R. Scott Perry

I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS...  Here are
the headers.
These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been compromised?
Yes; the pharmacourt.biz spammers have infringed on the Habeas intellectual 
property rights.  Habeas is going after them.  Until this dies down, you 
may want to temporarily comment out the WHITELIST HABEAS line in the 
\IMail\Declude\global.cfg file.  You should also report it to them (the 
spammer was nice enough to include the URL to report it at in the 
headers!).  Reporting is important because although Habeas knows that this 
has happened, they are collecting as much information as possible.

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Larry Craddock
 These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been compromised?

More like spammers are forging habeas headers and challenging habeus'
ability to prosecute.

Larry Craddock

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Rick Klinge
Fwiw.. I would never whitelist any email based solely because they warranted
it to be spam free... Email headers can and do get forged all the time.  I
have recently sent them a letter and a lot of porno and spam email for them
to review.. 

~Rick


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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andyb
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:13 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted
 
 
 HI,
 
 I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of 
 HABEAS...  Here are the headers.
 
 These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been 
 compromised?
 
 Comments Please.
 
 thanks, Andy
 
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 Received: from 240.80.76.18 by 81.218.114.4; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 
 03:42:04 -0200
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
 X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
 X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
 X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
 X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
 X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
 X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
 X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
 X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
 From: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: GOT Valï(u)m, Viagr@, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], Som@ Di3t Pills Many 
 M3ds Y5iov
 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:49:04 -0100
 X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.0-p1)/MIME
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;  boundary=--891940459175399
 X-Priority: 5
 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [62.78.191.7]
 X-RBL-Warning: Total weight: 0
 X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0.
 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail 
(www.declude.com) for spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0]
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Bill

I received 13 of these today in my personal e-mail.  I changed Habeas
from whitelist to weight -5 and it seems to have fixed the problem.
Don't know yet if non spam is getting blocked but I doubt it. 

Here is a log entry after change (weight was 36 even with the -5):

01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 HABEAS:-5 AHBL:6 CBL:4 DSBL:6
SORBS-SOCKS:5 SORBS-DUHL:4 SPAMCOP:7 SNIFFER2:9 .  Total weight = 36.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed HABEAS ().
Action=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed AHBL (Open Proxy -
http://www.ahbl.org/tools/lookup.php?ip=68.57.145.231;). Action=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed CBL (Blocked - see
http://cbl.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=68.57.145.231;). Action=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed DSBL
(http://dsbl.org/listing?ip=68.57.145.231;). Action=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed SORBS-SOCKS (Dynamic
IP Address See:
http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=68.57.145.231;).
Action=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed SORBS-DUHL (Dynamic IP
Address See:
http://www.dnsbl.sorbs.net/cgi-bin/lookup?IP=68.57.145.231;).
Action=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed SPAMCOP (Blocked - see
http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?68.57.145.231;). Action=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed WEIGHT10 (Weight of 36
reaches or exceeds the limit of 10.). Action=HOLD.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed WEIGHT15 (Weight of 36
reaches or exceeds the limit of 15.). 
ction=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed WEIGHT20 (Weight of 36
reaches or exceeds the limit of 20.). Action=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Msg failed SNIFFER2 (Message
failed SNIFFER2: 52.). Action=IGNORE.
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 Subject: Got Pills?Valï(u)m,
V|@gra, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], S0ma Di3t Pills Many M3ds brEWTRhNhf 
01/13/2004 11:09:12 Q26340f0201364351 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  IP: 68.57.145.231 ID: 


Here is the change in Global.cfg:

#WHITELIST  HABEAS
HABEAS  habeas  x   x   -5  0


Bill


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andyb
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:13 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted
 
 
 HI,
 
 I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of 
 HABEAS...  Here are the headers.
 
 These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been 
 compromised?
 
 Comments Please.
 
 thanks, Andy
 
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 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
 X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
 X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
 X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
 X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
 X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
 X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
 X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
 X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
 From: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: GOT Valï(u)m, Viagr@, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], Som@ Di3t Pills Many 
 M3ds Y5iov
 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:49:04 -0100
 X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.0-p1)/MIME
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;  boundary=--891940459175399
 X-Priority: 5
 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [62.78.191.7]
 X-RBL-Warning: Total weight: 0
 X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0.
 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail 
(www.declude.com) for spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0]
X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Frederick Samarelli
I got that this morning as well.

I commented out the HABEAS test.
- Original Message - 
From: andyb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted


 HI,

 I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS...  Here
are
 the headers.

 These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been compromised?

 Comments Please.

 thanks, Andy

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 Received: from 240.80.76.18 by 81.218.114.4; Tue, 13 Jan 2004
03:42:04 -0200
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
 X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
 X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
 X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
 X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
 X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
 X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
 X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
 X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
 From: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: GOT Valï(u)m, Viagr@, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], Som@ Di3t Pills Many M3ds Y5iov
 Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:49:04 -0100
 X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.0-p1)/MIME
 MIME-Version: 1.0
 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
  boundary=--891940459175399
 X-Priority: 5
 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [62.78.191.7]
 X-RBL-Warning: Total weight: 0
 X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0.
 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
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 X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0]
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Andy, Habeas has not been compromised.  Since Saturday, a spammer has been
using the Habeas warrant in the headers to get his junk past
configurations like yours.

This header text is easy to insert.  Note that the X-Mailer: header is also
being faked.  Each of the spams I've seen like this have come through a
zombie on a consumer broadband computer.  And is advertising one of three
domain names.

The general consensus is that you shouldn't WHITELIST on any easily forged
text, including the Habeas warrant.  Check the archive in the last few days
for this list for more discussion and sample configurations that have
shared.

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

Andrew 8)

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From: andyb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted


HI,

I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS...  Here are
the headers.

These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been compromised?

Comments Please.

thanks, Andy

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X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
From: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GOT Valï(u)m, Viagr@, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], Som@ Di3t Pills Many M3ds Y5iov
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:49:04 -0100
X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.0-p1)/MIME
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary=--891940459175399
X-Priority: 5
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [62.78.191.7]
X-RBL-Warning: Total weight: 0
X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0.
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread andyb
This was whitelisted as it is/was part of the default config file...

- Original Message -
From: Rick Klinge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted


Fwiw.. I would never whitelist any email based solely because they warranted
it to be spam free... Email headers can and do get forged all the time.  I
have recently sent them a letter and a lot of porno and spam email for them
to review..

~Rick


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andyb
 Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 12:13 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted


 HI,

 I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of
 HABEAS...  Here are the headers.

 These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been
 compromised?

 Comments Please.

 thanks, Andy

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 Received: from 240.80.76.18 by 81.218.114.4; Tue, 13 Jan 2004
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 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
 X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
 X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
 X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
 X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
 X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
 X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
 X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
 X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
 From: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;  boundary=--891940459175399
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread andyb
I have been reporting as they come up.

Thanks, Andy

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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted



 I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS...  Here
are
 the headers.
 
 These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been
compromised?

 Yes; the pharmacourt.biz spammers have infringed on the Habeas
intellectual
 property rights.  Habeas is going after them.  Until this dies down, you
 may want to temporarily comment out the WHITELIST HABEAS line in the
 \IMail\Declude\global.cfg file.  You should also report it to them (the
 spammer was nice enough to include the URL to report it at in the
 headers!).  Reporting is important because although Habeas knows that this
 has happened, they are collecting as much information as possible.

 -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread andyb
Hi,

If people can use Habeas headers to get their spam delivered, then Habeas
HAS been compromised.  To say otherwise is a symantic difference that I
don't care to debate.  Bottom line is that Habeus Warrant doesn't mean
anything right now.

As for a configuration like mine, as I said, this is included in the
default config files obtained directly from Declude.  Call me ignorant,
that's fine.  I have to trust the makers of the software to know what they
are doing until I find out/learn otherwise.

The purpose of the list is to share info.  I could have just  taken care of
this quietly but instead chose to share the issue on the list because if it
was happening to me, I'm sure it is happening to others.

I'm sorry if my tone sounds a little indignant.  I'm not a stupid person,
just a busy one with way too much information to process at times.

Thanks, Andy
- Original Message -
From: Colbeck, Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted


Andy, Habeas has not been compromised.  Since Saturday, a spammer has been
using the Habeas warrant in the headers to get his junk past
configurations like yours.

This header text is easy to insert.  Note that the X-Mailer: header is also
being faked.  Each of the spams I've seen like this have come through a
zombie on a consumer broadband computer.  And is advertising one of three
domain names.

The general consensus is that you shouldn't WHITELIST on any easily forged
text, including the Habeas warrant.  Check the archive in the last few days
for this list for more discussion and sample configurations that have
shared.

http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/

Andrew 8)

-Original Message-
From: andyb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 10:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted


HI,

I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS...  Here are
the headers.

These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been compromised?

Comments Please.

thanks, Andy

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X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
From: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GOT Valï(u)m, Viagr@, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], Som@ Di3t Pills Many M3ds Y5iov
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:49:04 -0100
X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.0-p1)/MIME
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary=--891940459175399
X-Priority: 5
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [62.78.191.7]
X-RBL-Warning: Total weight: 0
X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0.
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted

2004-01-13 Thread Joshua Levitsky
On their website you can report the spam and they will go after them... in 
theory... but for now because so many people are bundling the headers in 
spam you should probably not whitelist Habeas headers.

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System Engineer
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- Original Message - 
From: andyb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] whitelisted


HI,

I'm getting spam, and it is being whitelisted because of HABEAS...  Here 
are
the headers.

These emails are definately spam.  Looks like HABEAS has been compromised?

Comments Please.

thanks, Andy

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 (SMTPD32-6.06) id A0E113013E; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 12:54:41 -0500
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Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
From: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Blaine Shaffer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GOT Valï(u)m, Viagr@, X(a)[EMAIL PROTECTED], Som@ Di3t Pills Many M3ds Y5iov
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 04:49:04 -0100
X-Mailer: NetJunction (NetJunction 5.0-p1)/MIME
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=--891940459175399
X-Priority: 5
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [62.78.191.7]
X-RBL-Warning: Total weight: 0
X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0.
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?

2004-01-12 Thread Larry Craddock
Ok I admit I'm pretty weak in the area of tweaking declude but why was this
whitelisted? I have three whitelist lines in my global.cfg ... they are
WHITELIST HABEAS
and 2 WHITELIST[EMAIL PROTECTED]  lines ...

Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 04:44:57 +0400
X-Mailer: PIPEX NetMail 2.2.0-pre13
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary=--7204916354633796
X-Priority: 5
X-IMAIL-SPAM-VALFROM: (1580138816)
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [217.83.120.175]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0]
X-Note: This E-mail was sent from pD95378AF.dip.t-dialin.net
([217.83.120.175]).
X-RCPT-TO: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Status: U
X-UIDL: 319325114

thanks,

Larry Craddock

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?

2004-01-12 Thread R. Scott Perry

Ok I admit I'm pretty weak in the area of tweaking declude but why was this
whitelisted? I have three whitelist lines in my global.cfg ... they are
WHITELIST HABEAS
and 2 WHITELIST[EMAIL PROTECTED]  lines ...
What does the Declude JunkMail log file say?

Is one of those two WHITELIST lines WHITELIST FROM mail.com (which would 
whitelist this E-mail, since it came frmo [EMAIL PROTECTED])?

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?

2004-01-12 Thread Larry Craddock
Well I'm not sure how I missed this ... but here's the *rest* of the header
info:

Received: from pd95378af.dip.t-dialin.net [217.83.120.175] by netride.net
  (SMTPD32-8.05) id A80D5E2F0140; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 06:50:21 -0600
Received: from 0.139.81.238 by 217.83.120.175; Sun, 11 Jan 2004
21:40:57 -0300
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring
X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated
X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm)
X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this
X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas
X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant
X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.

Now what do I do?

Larry Craddock

- Original Message - 
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?



 Ok I admit I'm pretty weak in the area of tweaking declude but why was
this
 whitelisted? I have three whitelist lines in my global.cfg ... they are
 WHITELIST HABEAS
 and 2 WHITELIST[EMAIL PROTECTED]  lines ...

 What does the Declude JunkMail log file say?

 Is one of those two WHITELIST lines WHITELIST FROM mail.com (which would
 whitelist this E-mail, since it came frmo [EMAIL PROTECTED])?

 -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?

2004-01-12 Thread R. Scott Perry

Well I'm not sure how I missed this ... but here's the *rest* of the header
info:
...
X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
Now what do I do?
Have you reported it yet?

The Habeas headers are a legal means of whitelisting E-mail.  In this case, 
a spam illegally used the Habeas headers -- something that the people that 
are behind Habeas have been waiting years for.  Now is the true test of 
Habeas -- if they go after the spammer and successfully sue them, it will 
(hopefully) discourage other spammers from violating the legal rights of 
the Habeas headers.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?

2004-01-12 Thread Larry Craddock
Cool ... I'll report it right now.

- Original Message - 
From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 8:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?



 Well I'm not sure how I missed this ... but here's the *rest* of the
header
 info:

 ...
 X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this
 X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to http://www.habeas.com/report/.
 
 Now what do I do?

 Have you reported it yet?

 The Habeas headers are a legal means of whitelisting E-mail.  In this
case,
 a spam illegally used the Habeas headers -- something that the people that
 are behind Habeas have been waiting years for.  Now is the true test of
 Habeas -- if they go after the spammer and successfully sue them, it will
 (hopefully) discourage other spammers from violating the legal rights of
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted?

2004-01-12 Thread Orin Wells
At 06:04 AM 1/12/2004, R. Scott Perry wrote:
The Habeas headers are a legal means of whitelisting E-mail.  In this 
case, a spam illegally used the Habeas headers -- something that the 
people that are behind Habeas have been waiting years for.  Now is the 
true test of Habeas -- if they go after the spammer and successfully sue 
them, it will (hopefully) discourage other spammers from violating the 
legal rights of the Habeas headers.
Coincidentally, I received a similar spam yesterday.  The message 
originated in Queensland from what I can tell from the IP address, was sent 
through Amsterdam and the body has links to a volume mailer in Phoenix, 
AZ.  It  had the Habeas headers so I reported them. 

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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted

2003-11-18 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Hello,
One of our clients has been forwarding e-mails that have made it
through the cracks and found something interesting.
I have our network whitelisted, and have the secdns entry so that it
checks the ip of the originating server when it comes through the sec mail
server.  But today, I noticed something (I don't have the original message
or headers; but printed out the message).
The IP of our secondary mail server is 67.17.218.70.  I received a
message that had its IP put in as the hostname.  So Declude saw this IP and
whitelisted.  I'll type a couple lines of the headers:

Received: from secmail.crescentdigital.com [67.17.218.70] by
mail.crescentdigital.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id ADFD3B007E; Fri, 14
Nov 2003 08:51:57 -0500
Received: from 67.17.218.70 ([211.219.196.240])
 by secmail.crescentdigital.com (8.12.8/8.12.5) with SMTP id hAEEpdwo012904;

 Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:51:41 -0500
Received: from [135.4.188.96] by 67.17.218.70 SMTP id 1fYH8RwA83HJQ7; Wed,
19 Nov 2003 19:45:46 -0700
X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted

I have Declude Standard (one of the latest version, but not the
latest).  Is there anyway to fix this?  The 211.219 IP is a Korean IP and
the 135.4 is Lucent (?).
Thanks.. Jeff


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[Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted - why?

2002-07-23 Thread Andy Schmidt



Scott,

any chance that the "FROM hm-software.com" whitelist 
picked up on the 
Return-Path: 36-809-hm-software.com?[EMAIL PROTECTED] ?

Obviously, the intent is to ONLY whitelist things that 
END with "hm-software.com".

WHITELISTANYWHERE [EMAIL PROTECTED]WHITELISTIP63.107.174.WHITELISTIP65.86.89.162WHITELISTFROMhm-software.comWHITELISTFROMger-studioline.net#WHITELISTFROMt-online.deWHITELISTFROMnetworksolutions.comWHITELISTFROMverisign.net#WHITELISTIP128.192.1.101WHITELISTIP130.160.4.249WHITELISTIP199.232.158.102WHITELISTFROMnytimes.comWHITELISTIP148.100.1.2WHITELISTIP64.65.65.2WHITELISTFROMlists.cnn.comWHITELISTFROMtimeinc.comWHITELISTFROMdeepmetrix.comWHITELISTIP67.89.150.4WHITELISTFROMuni.deWHITELISTIP206.242.213.5WHITELISTIP206.64.5.31WHITELISTFROMstellenmarkt.deWHITELISTIP64.119.137.
WHITELISTFROMfx-solutions.com


07/23/2002 15:51:14 
Qb3ab045201d434d3 SPAMCOP:7 HEUR9:3 WEIGHTFILTER:8 . Total weight = 
1807/23/2002 15:51:14 Qb3ab045201d434d3 This E-mail was whitelisted - 
automatically passing all spam tests

-Original Message-
Received: from 
stdout-03.superstorespecials.com [198.64.151.132] by hm-software.com 
(SMTPD32-7.07) id A3AB45201D4; Tue, 23 Jul 2002 15:51:07 -0400From: 
ContentAudit [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
Advisory: Hidden file dangerTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Track: 
36;GSGOGEBHRLBVGVGNGKGHGEBEEQGNGKCKBVGLGGBEBBGSBCGRCOGVGLGKMIME-Version: 
1.0Content-Type: multipart/alternative; 
boundary="102745310521054"X-vmp-Text: yesDate: Tue, 23 Jul 
2002 15:51:07 ESTX-Mailer: 0.35 [Jul 4 2002, 21:14:52]Message-ID: 
809$[EMAIL PROTECTED]X-Declude: 
Version 1.56i; Db3ab045201d434d3.SMD from stdout-03.superstorespecials.com. 
[198.64.151.132]Return-Path: 36-809-hm-software.com?[EMAIL PROTECTED]X-RCPT-TO: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Status: 
UX-UIDL: 323387411
From: ContentAudit 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 
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Hidden file danger
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Whitelisted - why?

2002-07-23 Thread Sheldon Koehler

 WHITELIST FROM hm-software.com

Change it to:

WHITELIST FROM @hm-software.com

I believe this will do what you need. At least I hope so as this is what I
have been doing...


Sheldon


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