RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Title: Message Declude is not a simple thing to implement and configure. Those of us running it are more than capable of adding a line to our config files and deciding how to weight it/configure it/otherwise implement it. We don't NEED a "click OK to install" GUI that does something to our configurations that we're going to have to go change anyway. I have been quietly listening to this thread, before I threw in my 2 cents, but I have to agree here. The "old" system of just letting us manually add aline to our global config file worked great. A GUI is unnecessary andI, personally, do not like random dll'sinstalled on my server that I can't uninstall.Having a pre-set "weight"configured is insane, as it is unlikely that all admins will assign the same weight to each test. My vote goes back to the old way as I prefer to be in control of what gets added to my global.cfg. That way, I have only myself to blame when it's not right :) Sharyn
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Title: Message I agree withSharyn. Harlan YoungI Like It Like That, Inc.Pequot Lakes, MN 56472218-568-8332800-261-2116http://clarenproject.com/ - Original Message - From: Sharyn Schmidt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:10 AM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail Declude is not a simple thing to implement and configure. Those of us running it are more than capable of adding a line to our config files and deciding how to weight it/configure it/otherwise implement it. We don't NEED a "click OK to install" GUI that does something to our configurations that we're going to have to go change anyway. I have been quietly listening to this thread, before I threw in my 2 cents, but I have to agree here. The "old" system of just letting us manually add aline to our global config file worked great. A GUI is unnecessary andI, personally, do not like random dll'sinstalled on my server that I can't uninstall.Having a pre-set "weight"configured is insane, as it is unlikely that all admins will assign the same weight to each test. My vote goes back to the old way as I prefer to be in control of what gets added to my global.cfg. That way, I have only myself to blame when it's not right :) Sharyn
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Maybe, since this was such a different item than what we are used to, a small group of invited beta tests would have been prudent. There was a beta test -- just not quite as thorough as it might have been. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Let me clarify to fix the 3592 during install, I had to stop blocking the ICMP protocol on my router. After the install, I was able to resume blocking the ICMP protocol. It looks like the install program attempts to ping home to see if the admin server is available. Not as ideal as I would like either. Scott Fisher Director of IT Farm Progress Companies [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/09/04 11:47AM Allow ICMP packets fixed this for me. That's a pretty big issue, IMO. Lots of SOHO routers don't allow you to pick-and-choose different ICMP traffic types, so if you're blocking any, you end up blocking all. Why does this thing need ICMP? I don't know of other LiveReg-type stuff requiring access on a port other than the port on which the registration server _actually_ runs on. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange Addresses into IMail Aliases! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
We block all incoming and outgoing icmp traffic. A live reg should check at 80 or 443 because that typical allowable outbound traffic in my opinion. - Original Message - From: Sanford Whiteman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Scott Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail Allow ICMP packets fixed this for me. That's a pretty big issue, IMO. Lots of SOHO routers don't allow you to pick-and-choose different ICMP traffic types, so if you're blocking any, you end up blocking all. Why does this thing need ICMP? I don't know of other LiveReg-type stuff requiring access on a port other than the port on which the registration server _actually_ runs on. --Sandy Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist Broadleaf Systems, a division of Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SpamAssassin plugs into Declude! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/SPAMC32/download/release/ Defuse Dictionary Attacks: Turn Exchange Addresses into IMail Aliases! http://www.mailmage.com/products/software/freeutils/exchange2aliases/download/release/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. *Scanned for viruses by Declude Virus* *Scanned for viruses by Declude Virus* --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Hi Scott: Considering that most administrators will block ANY TCP/IP traffic from/to a server and only open exactly those 2 or 3 ports that are needed for its primary function, you can assume that trying to ping will not be permitted - thus preventing install. Whoever wrote this doesn't seem to be familiar with server operation/configuration. Best Regards Andy Schmidt HM Systems Software, Inc. 600 East Crescent Avenue, Suite 203 Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458-1846 Phone: +1 201 934-3414 x20 (Business) Fax:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
I recommend in the future to just tell us what line to add. A 5mb download seems overkill for this. Cris Porter JVC America -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 2:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail M Why a 5 MB download for an IP4R test? Yea, I don't get this. Does this harvest virus IPs from our system and report them back to Declude? No. A beta version of Declude Virus released about 6 months ago added a new feature to automatically detect forging viruses. It does this by sending a DNS packet (very similar to a DNS-based spam database lookup packet) that includes the IP, and name of the virus. Our server then determines if the virus is forging or not. What we have done is added code to automatically track this data. It is completely unrelated to the 5MB download, which simply adds a 50-byte line to your config file. :) -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Scott, We know the Computer Horizons was sold, how much control do you have over Declude these days? One of the best things I liked about Declude was your constant collaboration on IMail and this group. How often do we see and IMail developer in the IMail forum. Do have any say as to what is going to happen in the future or does the management just taking suggestions? Jay - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 1:30 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail I recommend in the future to just tell us what line to add. So do I. :) But management won this one. A 5mb download seems overkill for this. Agreed. I didn't even know until today that the install program was going to be more than 10 times the size of the Declude.exe file. But people that like GUIs often judge files by their size -- go figure! -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
- Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recommend in the future to just tell us what line to add. So do I. :) But management won this one. A 5mb download seems overkill for this. Agreed. I didn't even know until today that the install program was going to be more than 10 times the size of the Declude.exe file. But people that like GUIs often judge files by their size -- go figure! Anyone care to share the global.cfg line, or do I have to download the 5mb file to get it? Bill --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
It appears from posts over others there are some dlls involved. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Landry Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 3:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail - Original Message - From: R. Scott Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recommend in the future to just tell us what line to add. So do I. :) But management won this one. A 5mb download seems overkill for this. Agreed. I didn't even know until today that the install program was going to be more than 10 times the size of the Declude.exe file. But people that like GUIs often judge files by their size -- go figure! Anyone care to share the global.cfg line, or do I have to download the 5mb file to get it? Bill --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
- Original Message - From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] It appears from posts over others there are some dlls involved. Ah, okay, I will download then. Thanks! Bill --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Nope it is just a line in the conifig it is an ip4r test and the only thing it does it add a line to the global.cfg after of course getting your information and making you sign up for the website. Kevin Bilbee -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Landry Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail - Original Message - From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] It appears from posts over others there are some dlls involved. Ah, okay, I will download then. Thanks! Bill --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
- Original Message - From: Kevin Bilbee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail Nope it is just a line in the conifig it is an ip4r test and the only thing it does it add a line to the global.cfg after of course getting your information and making you sign up for the website. Sheesh, what a waste of time and energy! I don't know what experience others have had with this new test so far, but for the 10 minutes I have been running it now, I have gotten 5 false-positives and 0 valid results. I'm glad I set the weight to 1 from the 8 they had it set at with their install routine. I certainly hope that Declude does not make it an ongoing practice of modifying our config files and setting arbitrary weights for test on our systems. Bill --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
We know the Computer Horizons was sold, how much control do you have over Declude these days? That depends on how you define control (no, I'm not a politician!). In this case, the level of control isn't clearly defined. The transition of management can be tricky, and needs to be handled carefully. If the new owners wanted nearly 100% control, they could have it (I definitely would not support that decision, though, and on the other hand, I'm sure they wouldn't try to do that). But it is important for the new owners to have as much control as possible, within reason. Put another way, while the new owners do some things differently than I would have (as is always the case with a transition in management), I haven't seen them do anything that I would really disapprove of. If I did, though, I am sure that they would listen to me and give serious thought to what I said. They are well aware that I got the company where it is now, and that if I am telling them they made a serious mistake, they would pay attention. One of the best things I liked about Declude was your constant collaboration on IMail and this group. How often do we see and IMail developer in the IMail forum. :) Honestly, that's one of the best things that *I* like about Declude too. That's why I'm still participating in the IMail Forum and the Declude mailing lists. Do have any say as to what is going to happen in the future or does the management just taking suggestions? I definitely do have a lot of input about what is going to happen in the future. :) The final decisions, of course, will be up to the new management -- but they will definitely listen carefully to what I say. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Put another way, while the new owners do some things differently than I would have (as is always the case with a transition in management), I haven't seen them do anything that I would really disapprove of. If I did, though, I am sure that they would listen to me and give serious thought to what I said. They are well aware that I got the company where it is now, and that if I am telling them they made a serious mistake, they would pay attention. Well, I think this new test is maybe testing the waters, as so far, even though I like the idea, I do not like the implementation of this test, and have not yet done it on my server, nor on the other Imail/Declude servers I consult/maintain on. The reports so far from those that have implemented this test have been rather less than enthusiastic. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Well, I think this new test is maybe testing the waters, as so far, even though I like the idea, I do not like the implementation of this test, and have not yet done it on my server, nor on the other Imail/Declude servers I consult/maintain on. The reports so far from those that have implemented this test have been rather less than enthusiastic. Testing the waters does seem like an appropriate description. This test was developed mostly by the new team (management and developers), and from a business perspective they did a very good job (adding a GUI interface for the install, using SSL to get customer data, coming up with methods of storing the data and retrieving it, etc.). From a technical perspective, there were some glitches (such as requiring a 5MB install program that doesn't uninstall fully and requires ICMP packets, and some unresolved questions about exactly how the test will work). But, I do plan a critique afterwards, covering what I think could have been done differently and why. The management could have just said, Scott, you did a great job in the past; take this new project and just do it however you like. But that would have just increased their reliance on me -- whereas this way, I can help mold the new company. They can learn from their mistakes this way (and the mistakes are relatively minor), and move from an average team with above average members to an above average team. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
I have a message more for management more than Scott (and I hope they are listening!): Don't fix what aint broken! Declude has a solid following because of the way that Scott has treated IMail users in the past with feature upgrades, release methods and great support. If the new management is going to restrict or force Scott's efforts then the result will be a loss of customers. We are a rather finicky group!! And we know how to latch onto a good product or dump a bad one. I know that Scott is not in complete control any more, but I hope that corporate bureaucracy is not introduced into an otherwise smooth running product. Todd Holt Xidix Technologies, Inc Las Vegas, NV USA 702.319.4349 www.xidix.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail We know the Computer Horizons was sold, how much control do you have over Declude these days? That depends on how you define control (no, I'm not a politician!). In this case, the level of control isn't clearly defined. The transition of management can be tricky, and needs to be handled carefully. If the new owners wanted nearly 100% control, they could have it (I definitely would not support that decision, though, and on the other hand, I'm sure they wouldn't try to do that). But it is important for the new owners to have as much control as possible, within reason. Put another way, while the new owners do some things differently than I would have (as is always the case with a transition in management), I haven't seen them do anything that I would really disapprove of. If I did, though, I am sure that they would listen to me and give serious thought to what I said. They are well aware that I got the company where it is now, and that if I am telling them they made a serious mistake, they would pay attention. One of the best things I liked about Declude was your constant collaboration on IMail and this group. How often do we see and IMail developer in the IMail forum. :) Honestly, that's one of the best things that *I* like about Declude too. That's why I'm still participating in the IMail Forum and the Declude mailing lists. Do have any say as to what is going to happen in the future or does the management just taking suggestions? I definitely do have a lot of input about what is going to happen in the future. :) The final decisions, of course, will be up to the new management -- but they will definitely listen carefully to what I say. -Scott --- Declude JunkMail: The advanced anti-spam solution for IMail mailservers since 2000. Declude Virus: Ultra reliable virus detection and the leader in mailserver vulnerability detection. Find out what you've been missing: Ask for a free 30-day evaluation. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Fw: New Multiple Threat Lookup Database test for Declude JunkMail
Well, I think this new test is maybe testing the waters, as so far, even though I like the idea, I do not like the implementation of this test, and have not yet done it on my server, nor on the other Imail/Declude servers I consult/maintain on. The reports so far from those that have implemented this test have been rather less than enthusiastic. Testing the waters does seem like an appropriate description. This test was developed mostly by the new team (management and developers), and from a business perspective they did a very good job (adding a GUI interface for the install, using SSL to get customer data, coming up with methods of storing the data and retrieving it, etc.). From a technical perspective, there were some glitches (such as requiring a 5MB install program that doesn't uninstall fully and requires ICMP packets, and some unresolved questions about exactly how the test will work). But, I do plan a critique afterwards, covering what I think could have been done differently and why. The management could have just said, Scott, you did a great job in the past; take this new project and just do it however you like. But that would have just increased their reliance on me -- whereas this way, I can help mold the new company. They can learn from their mistakes this way (and the mistakes are relatively minor), and move from an average team with above average members to an above average team. Maybe, since this was such a different item than what we are used to, a small group of invited beta tests would have been prudent. John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail. The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
