I said something about java (that it's not quite platform
independent) no one said anything about that.
That means some believe, like me, that if java is to be installed on
target OS before your Java application runs then thats not platform
independence.
Sandeep.
: Sandeep [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, 22 November 2000 10:23
Subject: Re: [DUG]: Is Everyone dead or something ?
I said something about java (that it's not quite platform
independent) no one said anything about that.
That means
I said something about java (that it's not quite platform
independent) no one said anything about that.
I just chose to ignore you.
That means some believe, like me, that if java is to be installed on
target OS before your Java application runs then thats not platform
independence.
No,
Sandeep wrote:
I said something about java
??? So did I.
(that it's not quite platform
independent
Dead, non platform independent.
To which I added archaic, pedantic and obese.
) no one said anything about that.
Well someone has to: the truth is out there etc. etc. ;-)
That means some
If I want to run cross platform, I'll write a web app that
spits out HTML,
and what I write the back end in is my business, not my users
(as long as it
works)
I wish it was that simple - We have a rather large list of HTML bugs in each
brower version (Okay so NetScape is worse than
On 22 Nov 2000, at 10:59, Neven MacEwan wrote:
Sandeep
If you are saying that the fact that the platform must have the JVM then by
your
definition 'platform independance' cannot exist. Unless you use the Henry
Ford/Microsoft version
which is 'it runs on all plarforms as long as they are
Sandeep
You mean to say if I just copy the byte codes to target machine it
will know what to do.
I'm a little confused what 'byte codes' for which 'target machine'
Neven
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I wish it was that simple - We have a rather large list of HTML bugs in
each
brower version (Okay so NetScape is worse than IE). Our latest was that
under some Sub Versions of IE5 eg 5.00.2314 some things did not work but
under earlier and later builds it did. Talk about version problems
You mean to say if I just copy the byte codes to target machine it
will know what to do.
If you do this on windows:
c:javac HelloWorld
(complied HelloWorld.java - HelloWorld.class)
c:java HelloWorld
then copy HelloWorld.class to your linux or solaris box, and do:
#java HelloWorld
you
, November 22, 2000 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: [DUG]: Is Everyone dead or something ?
Sandeep
You mean to say if I just copy the byte codes to target machine it
will know what to do.
I'm a little confused what 'byte c
Nic
I was confused by Sandeep comments not by the concept of 'Byte Codes' and
'Target Machines'
re
Java compiles to a virtual CPU (call it JCPU) -
Delphi compiles to a real one (intel IA32).
Not quite correct Java compiles to a Virtual Machine, Delphi compiles to an
Intel CPU and a series
Nic
I was confused by Sandeep comments not by the concept of 'Byte Codes' and
'Target Machines'
re
Java compiles to a virtual CPU (call it JCPU) -
Delphi compiles to a real one (intel IA32).
Not quite correct Java compiles to a Virtual Machine, Delphi compiles to
an
Intel CPU and a
Nic
Nope, Delphi compiles to a set of Intel CPU byte codes. The windows API
has
_nothing_ to do it with, except for the format of the EXE and the
occasional
JMP or CALL statement to strange and far off places.
you lost the argument when you said 'except' though you could have got me by
Neven
What confused you?
Sandeep.
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Nope, Delphi compiles to a set of Intel CPU byte codes. The windows API
has
_nothing_ to do it with, except for the format of the EXE and the
occasional
JMP or CALL statement to strange and far off places.
you lost the argument when you said 'except' though you could have got me
by
I think I did :)
N
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From: "Sandeep" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:45 PM
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Neven
What con
From: Sandeep [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
then Java compiles to a virtual machine, which could be made real,
and Delphi compiles to a real machine, that can be virtual. No real
difference. Its just that Java's machine is usually software, and
Delphi's is usually hardware.
And to
And to that if I add, software equivalent of a hardware is never going
to win the speed contest, that means Java applications can never
outperform the delphi ones.
Except that java can compile byte code to native code (JIT compiler) and
come in about 95% of "real" speed.
Also, I'd gladly
Now Windows rules the world, and VB is the most popular development
language. Thus by this metric Java can only succeed...
Yes Windows does rules the world and they do have great ideas,
but not that great execution of those ideas (because they are trying
to ADJUST VB in there). That's where
That's unfair. If performance were everything we wouldn't be using Delphi
component wrappers when we could make WinAPI calls directly. And we
wouldn't be making WinAPI calls when we could hit the hardware directly.
Both of those layers slow things down in a similar fashion to having a
Sandeep
And it is not to be forgotten that VB was designed by same person
who designed Delphi.
Huh? To say VB was 'designed' is a stretch. Poor Mr Wurth I hope he is dead
rather
than hear this
Neven
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And it is not to be forgotten that VB was designed by same person
who designed Delphi.
Aye?! Not quite - Anders did Delphi from v1.0 - and hegot poached to do C# -
Alan Cooper did VB, AFAIK
So, VB might be the most popular of the lot but it is not the
RULER.
Definatly not :)
N
Aye?! Not quite - Anders did Delphi from v1.0 - and hegot poached to do
C# -
Alan Cooper did VB, AFAIK
So, VB might be the most popular of the lot but it is not the
RULER.
... and Niklaus Wirth designed Pascal - but AFAIK had nothing directly
to do with Delphi.
And of course we
Aye?! Not quite - Anders did Delphi from v1.0 - and hegot poached to do
C# -
Alan Cooper did VB, AFAIK
So, VB might be the most popular of the lot but it is not the
RULER.
... and Niklaus Wirth designed Pascal - but AFAIK had nothing directly
to do with Delphi.
And of course
Huh? To say VB was 'designed' is a stretch. Poor Mr Wurth I hope he is
dead
Wurth? I thought Kemeny and Kurtz wrote Basic? Nicholar Wirth wrote
Pascal
Deepak Shenoy
Agni Software
http://www.agnisoft.com
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Very few messages today !
someone should start a thread that is contriversial
something like.Microsoft is the best company in the worldJUST an example.
hehehehe
Cheers, Jeremy Coulter
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Or Java is dead... that should get Nic interested at least...
Matt.
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Subject: [DUG]: Is Everyone dead or something ?
Very fe
Wednesday, November 22, 2000 3:15 AM
Subject: [DUG]: Is Everyone dead or something ?
Very few messages today !
someone should start a thread that is contriversial
something like.Microsoft is the best company in the worldJUST an
example.
hehehehe
Cheers, Jere
Delphi is dead, long live VB???
:-)
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Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 4:16 AM
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Very few messages today !
someone should start
Was it ever alive ? ;-)
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From: Matthew Comb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2000 16:35
To: Multiple recipients of list delphi
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Or Java is dead... that should get Nic interested at least...
Matt
VB is dead, long live ASM?
bite
:)
N
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Delphi i
resisting.. the ... urrge.. to ... comment
;-)
N
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 3:29 PM
Subject: RE: [DUG]: Is Everyo
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Matthew Comb wrote:
Or Java is dead... that should get Nic interested at least...
Or how about some rants on open source, and microsoft moving office 10 to
a subscription base..
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"We don't guarantee anything except that it will take up disk space..."
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Was it ever alive ? ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Comb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, 21 November 2000 16:35
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Or Java is dead...
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh yeah !!! Java is TOAST
No, JAVA IS COFFEE
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Nic Wise wrote:
VB is dead, long live ASM?
Bow down to the POWER OF PERL
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- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Comb" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 4:46 PM
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Hands up the programmers who are just tw
On Tue, 21 Nov 2000, Matthew Comb wrote:
Hands up the programmers who are just twiddling their thumbs waiting
for 5:00 to roll around?
Kinda, thinking about a problem at hand whilst I have a bout of mouse
finger (arrrg), and my ankle is killing me (I tell ya, when you're shoes
start to wear
2000 16:47
To: Multiple recipients of list delphi
Subject: Re: [DUG]: Is Everyone dead or something ?
Hands up the programmers who are just twiddling their thumbs waiting for
5:00 to roll around?
Matt.
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But you did reply and, therefor, did not resist the urge.
Chrissy.
From: Nic Wise [EMAIL PROTECTED]
resisting.. the ... urrge.. to ... comment
;-)
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Delphi is dead, long live VB???
VB? It is for people who don't know programming :-)
Sandeep.
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Or Java is dead... that should get Nic interested at least...
Yes that will. And if I say Java is not quite Platform independent.
Sandeep.
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Nic
You are not alone - I have JB4 'foundation' going - but it makes my PIII
550 256Mb Ram a bit ill
Neven
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Generally. yes. Depends on what it is I am surcoming to :)
N
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Programming: For people that don't know VB?
Sandeep wrote:
Delphi is dead, long live VB???
VB? It is for people who don't know programming :-)
Sandeep.
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Archaic, pedantic, obese...
can't resist..urrge.. to ... disjava.
Sandeep wrote:
Or Java is dead... that should get Nic interested at least...
Yes that will. And if I say Java is not quite Platform independent.
Sandeep.
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