Re: [DUG] Web development
Hi Steve, Approaching it from the delphi/pascal orientation first...(not meaning pascal server side--and that is possible as well) ... You'd find much in Delphi for Php that is very familiar. It is built on top of an opensource framework VCL for PHP, and you'd probably appreciate E's familiar delphi IDE approach. When E bought up the front end the guy who wrote it went across with it - so it has been well backed technically in its development. Plus you can stand Lazarus on top of the opensource part and use it for the GUI parts. http://donaldshimoda.blogspot.com/2008/09/php-toolkit-disponible.html http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Pascal_and_PHP With the PHP Toolkit you can also convert your Delphi and Lazarus form design files (.dfm/.lfm) to VCL for PHP files, as well as configure Lazarus for use as a PHP IDE. Using quality frameworks front and back end generally provides for decent testing and error reporting. Also if you want to look at php frameworks like Delphi for php, as an approach, Prado (desgined heavily around Delphi - turboPascal concepts) http://www.pradosoft.com/ is highly spoken of. Also a derivative project http://www.yiiframework.com/ The Fast, Secure and Professional PHP Framework Yii is a high-performance PHP framework best for developing Web 2.0 applications. Yii comes with rich features: MVC, DAO/ActiveRecord, I18N/L10N, caching, authentication and role-based access control, scaffolding, testing, etc. It can reduce your development time significantly. Further you can escape the confusion that has been mentioned here over html and css using a web framework / JavaScript library like jQuery (even now used and contributed to by Microsoft) jQuery is a new kind of JavaScript Library. jQuery is a fast and concise JavaScript Library that simplifies HTML document traversing, event handling, animating, and Ajax interactions for rapid web development. jQuery is designed to change the way that you write JavaScript. The jQuery framework handles nearly ALL cross browser issues, and provides somewhat of a strong object orientated approach to the whole matter. You even just add visual components to the project in code. Using jQuery type frameworks as front ends and php framework(s) as a back end for business logic is very similar in thought processes to many necessary things you may have encountered in using Delphi over the years. Real-time testing on a local LAN apache is just that! You can still dive in to the html css js and of course the php as needed, but framework programming the web is the surest path to a consistent low hassle approach. Even just jQuery and doing your own php is very effective and time saving. People are doing whole cross-platform desktop client side programs, mobile applications, Apple Linux MS etc etc like this now - see Titanium for an all in approach based on web-kit. http://www.appcelerator.com/ Once you scratch below the surface of ECMA (JavaScript) you'll find a different(!) but reasonably robust object system with protoyping etc. These sites from amongst many are really useful for orientation on JavaScript: http://bonsaiden.github.com/JavaScript-Garden/ and http://howtonode.org/object-graphs JavaScript has escaped the browser! There are even whole setups writen in JavaScript now -- see http://nodejs.org/ Node's goal is to provide an easy way to build scalable network programs. In the hello world web server example above, many client connections can be handled concurrently. Node tells the operating system (through epoll, kqueue, /dev/poll, or select) that it should be notified when a new connection is made, and then it goes to sleep. If someone new connects, then it executes the callback. Each connection is only a small heap allocation. And newer releases of php offer self serving capabilities as well. So it is an interesting time to be involved and to be (re-)entering the arena! If you just want simple drag and drop with a framework, Delphi for Php or Lazarus with phpo toolkit, will do most of that for you, plus you can extend things.. Here is an early blurb of Delphi for Php at the outset. http://www.delphi-php.net/2007/03/ Paul On 3 June 2011 16:35, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.net wrote: Friday question (or Can of Worms) Hey guys, I'm looking at getting into serious web development. I used to do this a number of years ago with standard Delphi 6 at that time. I have Delphi 7 I've been looking seriously at Ruby on Rails but that would mean learning a whole new language and process There has been a lot of talk of the validity of using IntraWeb with Delphi. Perhaps others have a better suggestion? What do others use? Should I bite the bullet and jump to RoR or upgrade to D2011 or something else? Steve ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email
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Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However reading through some of the blurb suggests that it may gave come a long way in recent years. I'm very familiar with HTML and somewhat familiar with small JavaScript pieces (MS-CRM mods). So these languages don't really phase me but the thought of learning another language like Ruby was robbing me of sleep. I have about a dozen languages under my belt but anyone is really only fully conversant in up to 2. I remember when I was 6 years old I spoke 3 spoken languages fluently but can only manage a little French, some small German and still learning Chinese, but Gaelic has totally disappeared from my vocabulary. Its the same with programming, without regular use, other languages tend to leave the mind (we leak memory all over the place). However it does look like PHP might be an interesting prospect. I was seriously looking at C# as well but wanted something I could use sooner than the learning curve would require. Thanks again. I'll take a good strong look over the next few weeks. Steve On 5/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Paul A Norman paul.a.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve, Approaching it from the delphi/pascal orientation first...(not meaning pascal server side--and that is possible as well) ... You'd find much in Delphi for Php that is very familiar. It is built on top of an opensource framework VCL for PHP, and you'd probably appreciate E's familiar delphi IDE approach. When E bought up the front end the guy who wrote it went across with it - so it has been well backed technically in its development. Plus you can stand Lazarus on top of the opensource part and use it for the GUI parts. http://donaldshimoda.blogspot.com/2008/09/php-toolkit-disponible.html http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Pascal_and_PHP With the PHP Toolkit you can also convert your Delphi and Lazarus form design files (.dfm/.lfm) to VCL for PHP files, as well as configure Lazarus for use as a PHP IDE. Using quality frameworks front and back end generally provides for decent testing and error reporting. Also if you want to look at php frameworks like Delphi for php, as an approach, Prado (desgined heavily around Delphi - turboPascal concepts) http://www.pradosoft.com/ is highly spoken of. Also a derivative project http://www.yiiframework.com/ The Fast, Secure and Professional PHP Framework Yii is a high-performance PHP framework best for developing Web 2.0 applications. Yii comes with rich features: MVC, DAO/ActiveRecord, I18N/L10N, caching, authentication and role-based access control, scaffolding, testing, etc. It can reduce your development time significantly. Further you can escape the confusion that has been mentioned here over html and css using a web framework / JavaScript library like jQuery (even now used and contributed to by Microsoft) jQuery is a new kind of JavaScript Library. jQuery is a fast and concise JavaScript Library that simplifies HTML document traversing, event handling, animating, and Ajax interactions for rapid web development. jQuery is designed to change the way that you write JavaScript. The jQuery framework handles nearly ALL cross browser issues, and provides somewhat of a strong object orientated approach to the whole matter. You even just add visual components to the project in code. Using jQuery type frameworks as front ends and php framework(s) as a back end for business logic is very similar in thought processes to many necessary things you may have encountered in using Delphi over the years. Real-time testing on a local LAN apache is just that! You can still dive in to the html css js and of course the php as needed, but framework programming the web is the surest path to a consistent low hassle approach. Even just jQuery and doing your own php is very effective and time saving. People are doing whole cross-platform desktop client side programs, mobile applications, Apple Linux MS etc etc like this now - see Titanium for an all in approach based on web-kit. http://www.appcelerator.com/ Once you scratch below the surface of ECMA (JavaScript) you'll find a different(!) but reasonably robust object system with protoyping etc. These sites from amongst many are really useful for orientation on JavaScript: http://bonsaiden.github.com/JavaScript-Garden/ and http://howtonode.org/object-graphs JavaScript has escaped the browser! There are even whole setups writen in JavaScript now -- see http://nodejs.org/ Node's goal is to provide an easy way to build scalable network programs. In the hello world web server example above, many client connections can be handled concurrently. Node tells the operating system (through epoll, kqueue, /dev/poll, or select) that it should be notified when a new connection is made, and then it goes to sleep. If someone new
Re: [DUG] Web development
Hi Steve Have a look at the Symfony framework. It takes a little while to get familiar with, but worth the trouble. It certainly helps you concentrate on PHP business logic rather than HTML,CSS and javascript. Cheers, Todd. Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However reading through some of the blurb suggests that it may gave come a long way in recent years. I'm very familiar with HTML and somewhat familiar with small JavaScript pieces (MS-CRM mods). So these languages don't really phase me but the thought of learning another language like Ruby was robbing me of sleep. I have about a dozen languages under my belt but anyone is really only fully conversant in up to 2. I remember when I was 6 years old I spoke 3 spoken languages fluently but can only manage a little French, some small German and still learning Chinese, but Gaelic has totally disappeared from my vocabulary. Its the same with programming, without regular use, other languages tend to leave the mind (we leak memory all over the place). However it does look like PHP might be an interesting prospect. I was seriously looking at C# as well but wanted something I could use sooner than the learning curve would require. Thanks again. I'll take a good strong look over the next few weeks. Steve On 5/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Paul A Norman paul.a.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve, Approaching it from the delphi/pascal orientation first...(not meaning pascal server side--and that is possible as well) ... You'd find much in Delphi for Php that is very familiar. It is built on top of an opensource framework VCL for PHP, and you'd probably appreciate E's familiar delphi IDE approach. When E bought up the front end the guy who wrote it went across with it - so it has been well backed technically in its development. Plus you can stand Lazarus on top of the opensource part and use it for the GUI parts. http://donaldshimoda.blogspot.com/2008/09/php-toolkit-disponible.html http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Pascal_and_PHP With the PHP Toolkit you can also convert your Delphi and Lazarus form design files (.dfm/.lfm) to VCL for PHP files, as well as configure Lazarus for use as a PHP IDE. Using quality frameworks front and back end generally provides for decent testing and error reporting. Also if you want to look at php frameworks like Delphi for php, as an approach, Prado (desgined heavily around Delphi - turboPascal concepts) http://www.pradosoft.com/ is highly spoken of. Also a derivative project http://www.yiiframework.com/ The Fast, Secure and Professional PHP Framework Yii is a high-performance PHP framework best for developing Web 2.0 applications. Yii comes with rich features: MVC, DAO/ActiveRecord, I18N/L10N, caching, authentication and role-based access control, scaffolding, testing, etc. It can reduce your development time significantly. Further you can escape the confusion that has been mentioned here over html and css using a web framework / JavaScript library like jQuery (even now used and contributed to by Microsoft) jQuery is a new kind of JavaScript Library. jQuery is a fast and concise JavaScript Library that simplifies HTML document traversing, event handling, animating, and Ajax interactions for rapid web development. jQuery is designed to change the way that you write JavaScript. The jQuery framework handles nearly ALL cross browser issues, and provides somewhat of a strong object orientated approach to the whole matter. You even just add visual components to the project in code. Using jQuery type frameworks as front ends and php framework(s) as a back end for business logic is very similar in thought processes to many necessary things you may have encountered in using Delphi over the years. Real-time testing on a local LAN apache is just that! You can still dive in to the html css js and of course the php as needed, but framework programming the web is the surest path to a consistent low hassle approach. Even just jQuery and doing your own php is very effective and time saving. People are doing whole cross-platform desktop client side programs, mobile applications, Apple Linux MS etc etc like this now - see Titanium for an all in approach based on web-kit. http://www.appcelerator.com/ Once you scratch below the surface of ECMA (JavaScript) you'll find a different(!) but reasonably robust object system with protoyping etc. These sites from amongst many are really useful for orientation on JavaScript: http://bonsaiden.github.com/JavaScript-Garden/ and http://howtonode.org/object-graphs JavaScript has escaped the browser! There are even whole setups writen in JavaScript now -- see http://nodejs.org/ Node's goal is to provide an easy way to build scalable network programs. In the hello world web server example above, many client
Re: [DUG] Web development
You could of course try Delphi Prism, if you want to be able to do asp stuff, but in a language similar to Delphi (the Prism syntax is a little different). It would save you having to learn C#. REM Objects seem to be doing lots of other cool stuff with the language (a pascal compiler for Java for instance). Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz Follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/salespartner PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington On 5/06/2011 2:20 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However reading through some of the blurb suggests that it may gave come a long way in recent years. I'm very familiar with HTML and somewhat familiar with small JavaScript pieces (MS-CRM mods). So these languages don't really phase me but the thought of learning another language like Ruby was robbing me of sleep. I have about a dozen languages under my belt but anyone is really only fully conversant in up to 2. I remember when I was 6 years old I spoke 3 spoken languages fluently but can only manage a little French, some small German and still learning Chinese, but Gaelic has totally disappeared from my vocabulary. Its the same with programming, without regular use, other languages tend to leave the mind (we leak memory all over the place). However it does look like PHP might be an interesting prospect. I was seriously looking at C# as well but wanted something I could use sooner than the learning curve would require. Thanks again. I'll take a good strong look over the next few weeks. Steve On 5/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Paul A Normanpaul.a.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve, Approaching it from the delphi/pascal orientation first...(not meaning pascal server side--and that is possible as well) ... You'd find much in Delphi for Php that is very familiar. It is built on top of an opensource framework VCL for PHP, and you'd probably appreciate E's familiar delphi IDE approach. When E bought up the front end the guy who wrote it went across with it - so it has been well backed technically in its development. Plus you can stand Lazarus on top of the opensource part and use it for the GUI parts. http://donaldshimoda.blogspot.com/2008/09/php-toolkit-disponible.html http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Pascal_and_PHP With the PHP Toolkit you can also convert your Delphi and Lazarus form design files (.dfm/.lfm) to VCL for PHP files, as well as configure Lazarus for use as a PHP IDE. Using quality frameworks front and back end generally provides for decent testing and error reporting. Also if you want to look at php frameworks like Delphi for php, as an approach, Prado (desgined heavily around Delphi - turboPascal concepts) http://www.pradosoft.com/ is highly spoken of. Also a derivative project http://www.yiiframework.com/ The Fast, Secure and Professional PHP Framework Yii is a high-performance PHP framework best for developing Web 2.0 applications. Yii comes with rich features: MVC, DAO/ActiveRecord, I18N/L10N, caching, authentication and role-based access control, scaffolding, testing, etc. It can reduce your development time significantly. Further you can escape the confusion that has been mentioned here over html and css using a web framework / JavaScript library like jQuery (even now used and contributed to by Microsoft) jQuery is a new kind of JavaScript Library. jQuery is a fast and concise JavaScript Library that simplifies HTML document traversing, event handling, animating, and Ajax interactions for rapid web development. jQuery is designed to change the way that you write JavaScript. The jQuery framework handles nearly ALL cross browser issues, and provides somewhat of a strong object orientated approach to the whole matter. You even just add visual components to the project in code. Using jQuery type frameworks as front ends and php framework(s) as a back end for business logic is very similar in thought processes to many necessary things you may have encountered in using Delphi over the years. Real-time testing on a local LAN apache is just that! You can still dive in to the html css js and of course the php as needed, but framework programming the web is the surest path to a consistent low hassle approach. Even just jQuery and doing your own php is very effective and time saving. People are doing whole cross-platform desktop client side programs, mobile applications, Apple Linux MS etc etc like this now - see Titanium for an all in approach based on web-kit. http://www.appcelerator.com/ Once you scratch below the surface of ECMA (JavaScript) you'll find a different(!) but reasonably robust object system with protoyping etc. These sites from amongst many are really useful for orientation on JavaScript:
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Hope it helps, On 5 June 2011 14:20, Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.net wrote: Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However reading through some of the blurb suggests that it may gave come a long way in recent years. Php is not as elegant as turboPascal but it is quite comfortable when coming from Delphi, and probably less of a learning curve than Java, and not unlike JavaScript, and there are some very good IDEs (e.g netbeans and of course http://www.aptana.com/) some have plug-ins for working with undelying framewroks. Php can be used utilising its available class structures or not as you wish. It has developed a lot since Richard Vowels had trouble with an octopus or was it a squid ? :) If you use php directly for database work have a look at http://www.php.net/manual/en/refs.database.abstract.php et al with things which make an abstraction layer so that among other things it is easier to swap database back-ends if you need to, and http://pear.php.net/ and choose the chm with user notes http://www.php.net/get/php_enhanced_en.chm/from/a/mirror ( http://www.php.net/docs.php ) I'm very familiar with HTML and somewhat familiar with small JavaScript pieces (MS-CRM mods). So these languages don't really phase me but the thought of learning another language like Ruby was robbing me of sleep. Then jQuery and like will seem really great. They call components - plugins, and there are some very amazing things just ready to go. I have about a dozen languages under my belt but anyone is really only fully conversant in up to 2. I remember when I was 6 years old I spoke 3 spoken languages fluently but can only manage a little French, Je parle un peu aussi, und ich habe für zwei Jahre Deutsch gelernt in der gymnasium, Ach ní féidir liom Gaeilge a labhairt, aur hum bolo thora Viji-Hindustani, me ko iti te reo maori some small German and still learning Chinese, but Gaelic has totally disappeared from my vocabulary. Chinese - very sensible. The joke used to be that we should learn to say I surrender in Russian, but now may be we could need to learn to say in Mandarin where is my work station please ? Which kind of Gaelic? Its the same with programming, without regular use, other languages tend to leave the mind (we leak memory all over the place). However it does look like PHP might be an interesting prospect. I was seriously looking at C# as well but wanted something I could use sooner than the learning curve would require. I think the thing for me originally coming of Delphi before E started to pick up the pieces of Borland dropping the ball, was realising that I had not learnt turboPascal so much, as some sort of whole conglomeration of the Delphi drag and drop, editor IDE, and of course the necessary pascal. But it was not separated out in my mind. I natively thought and did 'delphi' as a fully integrated experience - to me that was windows programming! So the thought processes were fully combined between actions in the GUI and the editor, if I had not done some previous Basic, QBasic, WordBasic, and VBA I would have been a lame duck when Delphi was suddenly beyond reach. In essence for many of us Delphi was the first real programming experience (was actually the very first fully integrated and effective IDE as far as I know) and became the template for development in our minds, and it was a whole re-learning experience to come off it - but it forced me to become more proficient at cross platform development which has had inestimable benefits. And php is an easy transition. But like Steve Todd says ... Have a look at the Symfony framework. It takes a little while to get familiar with, but worth the trouble. It certainly helps you concentrate on PHP business logic rather than HTML,CSS and javascript. Whatever you go with will have a learning curve of some sort. Paul Thanks again. I'll take a good strong look over the next few weeks. Steve On 5/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Paul A Norman paul.a.nor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Steve, Approaching it from the delphi/pascal orientation first...(not meaning pascal server side--and that is possible as well) ... You'd find much in Delphi for Php that is very familiar. It is built on top of an opensource framework VCL for PHP, and you'd probably appreciate E's familiar delphi IDE approach. When E bought up the front end the guy who wrote it went across with it - so it has been well backed technically in its development. Plus you can stand Lazarus on top of the opensource part and use it for the GUI parts. http://donaldshimoda.blogspot.com/2008/09/php-toolkit-disponible.html http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Pascal_and_PHP With the PHP Toolkit you can also convert your Delphi and Lazarus form design files (.dfm/.lfm) to VCL for PHP files, as well as configure Lazarus for use as a PHP IDE. Using quality frameworks front and back
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I have been using PHP because I did not want the server to be tied to MS. Its also very popular. I started off with Delphi for PHP. But the investment in learning it was wasted. The only thing I use it for is for debugging now. There is no vcl in sight. Had t learn PHP, javascript, HTML and CSS. I think you have to , if you want it efficient. Mine has to be as I am targeting millions of users not just hundreds. It is my spare time project too. Check it out if you want7bfaces.com. You have to signup to see it and note its work in progress. On 3/06/2011 4:57 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: Thanks Berend, I'm not doing this for a job but working on my on applications at home in my spare time. I've been programming for many years but not as a job since about 2005. My next project will be totally web based and I've been thinking that I'd need to make the move to RubyonRails at that point, but before I make that commitment, I wondered if anyone was using Delphi successfully on good advanced web projects - or something else. I know the C#.NET argument is a pretty good argument but for some reasons I'm resisting that move. Steve On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Berend de Boer ber...@pobox.com mailto:ber...@pobox.com wrote: Steve == Steve Peacocke st...@peacocke.net mailto:st...@peacocke.net writes: Steve Perhaps others have a better suggestion? What do others Steve use? Should I bite the bullet and jump to RoR or upgrade to Steve D2011 or something else? I mean, you're learning this for fun or for having a job? Not sure how many RoR jobs there are in NZ. Some years ago I heard that most Delphi programmers went to PHP. The PHP market in NZ is pretty robust, so that works. But if you want to stay in the Microsoft World, C# + ASPX or whatever the greatest latest technology is from M$ would be the best fit. -- All the best, Berend de Boer -- Awesome Drupal hosting: https://www.xplainhosting.com/ ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz mailto:delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz mailto:delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6175 (20110602) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6178 (20110603) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Regards *Rohit Gupta* B.E. Elec., M.E., Mem IEEE, Member IET Technical Manager Computer Fanatics Ltd *Tel *4892280 *Fax *4892290 *Web *www.cfl.co.nz This email and any attachments contain information, which is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege and copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and then delete this email and any attachments. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6180 (20110604) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
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, then it executes the callback. Each connection is only a small heap allocation. And newer releases of php offer self serving capabilities as well. So it is an interesting time to be involved and to be (re-)entering the arena! If you just want simple drag and drop with a framework, Delphi for Php or Lazarus with phpo toolkit, will do most of that for you, plus you can extend things.. Here is an early blurb of Delphi for Php at the outset. http://www.delphi-php.net/2007/03/ Paul On 3 June 2011 16:35, Steve Peacockest...@peacocke.net wrote: Friday question (or Can of Worms) Hey guys, I'm looking at getting into serious web development. I used to do this a number of years ago with standard Delphi 6 at that time. I have Delphi 7 I've been looking seriously at Ruby on Rails but that would mean learning a whole new language and process There has been a lot of talk of the validity of using IntraWeb with Delphi. Perhaps others have a better suggestion? What do others use? Should I bite the bullet and jump to RoR or upgrade to D2011 or something else? Steve ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6180 (20110604) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6180 (20110604) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Regards *Rohit Gupta* B.E. Elec., M.E., Mem IEEE, Member IET Technical Manager Computer Fanatics Ltd *Tel *4892280 *Fax *4892290 *Web *www.cfl.co.nz This email and any attachments contain information, which is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege and copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and then delete this email and any attachments. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6180 (20110604) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
Re: [DUG] Web development
effective and time saving. People are doing whole cross-platform desktop client side programs, mobile applications, Apple Linux MS etc etc like this now - see Titanium for an all in approach based on web-kit. http://www.appcelerator.com/ Once you scratch below the surface of ECMA (JavaScript) you'll find a different(!) but reasonably robust object system with protoyping etc. These sites from amongst many are really useful for orientation on JavaScript: http://bonsaiden.github.com/JavaScript-Garden/ and http://howtonode.org/object-graphs JavaScript has escaped the browser! There are even whole setups writen in JavaScript now -- see http://nodejs.org/ Node's goal is to provide an easy way to build scalable network programs. In the hello world web server example above, many client connections can be handled concurrently. Node tells the operating system (through epoll, kqueue, /dev/poll, or select) that it should be notified when a new connection is made, and then it goes to sleep. If someone new connects, then it executes the callback. Each connection is only a small heap allocation. And newer releases of php offer self serving capabilities as well. So it is an interesting time to be involved and to be (re-)entering the arena! If you just want simple drag and drop with a framework, Delphi for Php or Lazarus with phpo toolkit, will do most of that for you, plus you can extend things.. Here is an early blurb of Delphi for Php at the outset. http://www.delphi-php.net/2007/03/ Paul On 3 June 2011 16:35, Steve Peacocke mailto:st...@peacocke.net st...@peacocke.net wrote: Friday question (or Can of Worms) Hey guys, I'm looking at getting into serious web development. I used to do this a number of years ago with standard Delphi 6 at that time. I have Delphi 7 I've been looking seriously at Ruby on Rails but that would mean learning a whole new language and process There has been a lot of talk of the validity of using IntraWeb with Delphi. Perhaps others have a better suggestion? What do others use? Should I bite the bullet and jump to RoR or upgrade to D2011 or something else? Steve ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6180 (20110604) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6180 (20110604) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Regards Rohit Gupta B.E. Elec., M.E., Mem IEEE, Member IET Technical Manager Computer Fanatics Ltd Tel 4892280 Fax 4892290 Web www.cfl.co.nz _ This email and any attachments contain information, which is confidential and may be subject to legal privilege and copyright. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, distribute or copy this email or attachments. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by return email and then delete this email and any attachments. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6180 (20110604) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
