You could of course try Delphi Prism, if you want to be able to do asp stuff, but in a language similar to Delphi (the Prism syntax is a little different). It would save you having to learn C#. REM Objects seem to be doing lots of other cool stuff with the language (a pascal compiler for Java for instance).
Alister Christie Computers for People Ph: 04 471 1849 Fax: 04 471 1266 http://www.salespartner.co.nz Follow us on Twitter http://twitter.com/salespartner PO Box 13085 Johnsonville Wellington On 5/06/2011 2:20 p.m., Steve Peacocke wrote: > Paul. A very informative reply thanks. Gary also suggested PHP but I have > always discounted it as slow and cumbersome. However reading through some of > the blurb suggests that it may gave come a long way in recent years. > > I'm very familiar with HTML and somewhat familiar with small JavaScript > pieces (MS-CRM mods). So these languages don't really phase me but the > thought of learning another language like Ruby was robbing me of sleep. I > have about a dozen languages under my belt but anyone is really only fully > conversant in up to 2. I remember when I was 6 years old I spoke 3 spoken > languages fluently but can only manage a little French, some small German and > still learning Chinese, but Gaelic has totally disappeared from my > vocabulary. Its the same with programming, without regular use, other > languages tend to leave the mind (we leak memory all over the place). > > However it does look like PHP might be an interesting prospect. I was > seriously looking at C# as well but wanted something I could use sooner than > the learning curve would require. > > Thanks again. I'll take a good strong look over the next few weeks. > > Steve > > On 5/06/2011, at 12:32 PM, Paul A Norman<paul.a.nor...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Steve, >> >> Approaching it from the delphi/pascal orientation first...(not meaning >> pascal server side--and that is possible as well) ... >> >> You'd find much in Delphi for Php that is very familiar. >> >> It is built on top of an opensource framework " VCL for PHP", and >> you'd probably appreciate E's familiar delphi IDE approach. When E >> bought up the front end the guy who wrote it went across with it - so >> it has been well backed technically in its development. >> >> Plus you can stand Lazarus on top of the opensource part and use it >> for the GUI parts. >> http://donaldshimoda.blogspot.com/2008/09/php-toolkit-disponible.html >> >> http://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Pascal_and_PHP >> "With the PHP Toolkit you can also convert your Delphi and Lazarus >> form design files (.dfm/.lfm) to VCL for PHP files, as well as >> configure Lazarus for use as a PHP IDE." >> >> Using quality frameworks front and back end generally provides for >> decent testing and error reporting. >> >> Also if you want to look at php frameworks like Delphi for php, as an >> approach, Prado (desgined heavily around Delphi - turboPascal >> concepts) >> http://www.pradosoft.com/ is highly spoken of. >> >> Also a derivative project http://www.yiiframework.com/ >> >> "The Fast, Secure and Professional PHP Framework >> >> "Yii is a high-performance PHP framework best for developing Web 2.0 >> applications. >> >> "Yii comes with rich features: MVC, DAO/ActiveRecord, I18N/L10N, >> caching, authentication and role-based access control, scaffolding, >> testing, etc. It can reduce your development time significantly." >> >> Further you can escape the confusion that has been mentioned here over >> html and css using a web framework / JavaScript library like jQuery >> (even now used and contributed to by Microsoft) >> >> "jQuery is a new kind of JavaScript Library. >> >> "jQuery is a fast and concise JavaScript Library that simplifies HTML >> document traversing, event handling, animating, and Ajax interactions >> for rapid web development. jQuery is designed to change the way that >> you write JavaScript. >> >> "The jQuery framework handles nearly ALL cross browser issues, and >> provides somewhat of a strong object orientated approach to the whole >> matter. You even just add visual components to the project in code." >> >> Using jQuery type frameworks as front ends and php framework(s) as a >> back end for business logic is very similar in thought processes to >> many necessary things you may have encountered in using Delphi over >> the years. >> >> Real-time testing on a local LAN apache is just that! >> >> You can still dive in to the html css js and of course the php as >> needed, but framework programming the web is the surest path to a >> consistent low hassle approach. >> >> Even just jQuery and doing your own php is very effective and time saving. >> >> People are doing whole cross-platform desktop client side programs, >> mobile applications, Apple Linux MS etc etc like this now - see >> Titanium for an all in approach based on web-kit. >> http://www.appcelerator.com/ >> >> Once you scratch below the surface of ECMA (JavaScript) you'll find a >> different(!) but reasonably robust object system with protoyping etc. >> >> These sites from amongst many are really useful for orientation on >> JavaScript: >> >> http://bonsaiden.github.com/JavaScript-Garden/ >> and >> http://howtonode.org/object-graphs >> >> JavaScript has escaped the browser! There are even whole setups writen >> in JavaScript now -- see http://nodejs.org/ >> >> "Node's goal is to provide an easy way to build scalable network >> programs. In the "hello world" web server example above, many client >> connections can be handled concurrently. Node tells the operating >> system (through epoll, kqueue, /dev/poll, or select) that it should be >> notified when a new connection is made, and then it goes to sleep. If >> someone new connects, then it executes the callback. Each connection >> is only a small heap allocation." >> >> And newer releases of php offer self serving capabilities as well. >> >> So it is an interesting time to be involved and to be (re-)entering the >> arena! >> >> If you just want simple drag and drop with a framework, Delphi for >> Php or Lazarus with phpo toolkit, will do most of that for you, plus >> you can extend things.. >> >> Here is an early blurb of Delphi for Php at the outset. >> http://www.delphi-php.net/2007/03/ >> >> Paul >> >> On 3 June 2011 16:35, Steve Peacocke<st...@peacocke.net> wrote: >>> Friday question (or Can of Worms) >>> >>> Hey guys, I'm looking at getting into serious web development. I used to do >>> this a number of years ago with standard Delphi 6 at that time. >>> >>> I have Delphi 7 >>> >>> I've been looking seriously at Ruby on Rails but that would mean learning a >>> whole new language and process >>> >>> There has been a lot of talk of the validity of using IntraWeb with Delphi. >>> >>> Perhaps others have a better suggestion? What do others use? Should I bite >>> the bullet and jump to RoR or upgrade to D2011 or something else? >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list >>> Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz >>> Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi >>> Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: >>> unsubscribe >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list >> Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz >> Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi >> Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: >> unsubscribe > _______________________________________________ > NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list > Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz > Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi > Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: > unsubscribe > > _______________________________________________ NZ Borland Developers Group - Delphi mailing list Post: delphi@delphi.org.nz Admin: http://delphi.org.nz/mailman/listinfo/delphi Unsubscribe: send an email to delphi-requ...@delphi.org.nz with Subject: unsubscribe
