Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2014-02-02 Thread Stefan Knorr
Hi all, On 7 December 2013 22:11, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org wrote: I am concerned that thls call to postpone is rooted in unrealistic expectations and ultimately makes us lose time while demotivating team members. Well, I am kind of afraid to open this can of

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2014-01-06 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. píše v Pá 27. 12. 2013 v 16:23 +0100: * Please make it clear visually that Create is a label and not a button. If you don't want to differentiate using font size and weight, you can add icons for Open and Templates (those are part of

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2014-01-06 Thread Pedro
Hi Kendy Jan Holesovsky-4 wrote http://pasteboard.co/2yzkqeXD.png Hope it's OK; it should make it to RC2, so we will still have time to revert this change should it turn out during testing that the icons are annoying or anything. We'll go through the rest of the issues too, but not 100%

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-28 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com wrote: * At smaller sizes, the thumbnails are much harder to make out. Take a look I don't think there's an actual need to make out things. You have the name of the document as well, don't you? And for anything bigger you can open a

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-28 Thread Adolfo Jayme Barrientos
Sorry for contradicting you, but I absolutely hate those huge previews, these are so inefficient, wasting an insane amount of space (I do not own a big monitor, y'know). Shouldn't these adapt to smaller screens, and netbooks? -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-28 Thread Cor Nouws
Mirek M. wrote (28-12-13 00:50) 2013/12/27 Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl Was the size in beta2 90x90 or so ? It was a smaller than 180x180, but I don't remember the exact size. It was 115 px hart to hart for the thumbnails. In rc1 that is (appr) 275 px. So appr. 180 hart to hart should be OK

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-27 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Kendy, Sorry for replying so very late, I had some problems with compilation. I'm really digging the bigger previews -- thanks for all your work! :) My niggles are now purely minuscule and I guess largely subjective. (I'd still prefer #f9f9f9 for the background of the document area, a 16px

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-27 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Cor, Pedro, 2013/12/24 Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl Pedro wrote (14-12-13 10:12) Jan Holesovsky-4 wrote - Thumbnails I considerably increased their size, and improved their drawing algorithm to antialias the pictures. Also for the files that have no thumbnail, I made it look

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-27 Thread Mirek M.
2013/12/27 Mirek M. maz...@gmail.com Hi Cor, Pedro, 2013/12/24 Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl Pedro wrote (14-12-13 10:12) Jan Holesovsky-4 wrote - Thumbnails I considerably increased their size, and improved their drawing algorithm to antialias the pictures. Also for the files

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-27 Thread Mirek M.
The thumbnails are there to be able to set apart documents at a glance, so there's some need to be able to make out the basics, though it's true that with documents, you'll mostly be looking at the layout and perhaps the title. All these things said (talking about my recent messages, not just

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-24 Thread Cor Nouws
Pedro wrote (14-12-13 10:12) Jan Holesovsky-4 wrote - Thumbnails I considerably increased their size, and improved their drawing algorithm to antialias the pictures. Also for the files that have no thumbnail, I made it look like the icon is on a piece of paper; looks much more

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-14 Thread Pedro
Hi Kendy Jan Holesovsky-4 wrote - Create When playing with that, it started to annoy me that it is _above_ the separator line, and that it has smaller font size. Also, it logically belongs to the group of the buttons, so I moved it there, gave it the same size as the button text,

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-14 Thread V Stuart Foote
Jan Holesovsky-4 wrote Empty start center, with no documents: http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~kendy/design-list/startcenter-empty.png With two text lines, can font for Welcome be bumped a couple points larger? And could fonts be assigned a couple of complementary colors from the green pallet

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-13 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Mirek, all, Mirek M. píše v St 04. 12. 2013 v 10:03 +0100: Yes, here are the decisions [1]: * Keep sidebar on the left for LTR locales, have it on the right for RTL locales. * Use thumbnails, but indicate file type using colors or badges. -- We still need to design this, but if we

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-13 Thread Mateusz Zasuwik
1. Please, add Open and Templates icons from current build ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e4/4.2_start_center.png ) 2. Remove Help button (from bottom, left corner). There is the same button above the toolbar (menu File, Tool, Help). Instead of give users button-link to template's

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-13 Thread Sophie
Le 13/12/2013 20:34, Mateusz Zasuwik a écrit : 1. Please, add Open and Templates icons from current build ( https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/e/e4/4.2_start_center.png ) 2. Remove Help button (from bottom, left corner). There is the same button above the toolbar (menu File, Tool,

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-07 Thread Pedro
Hi Michel Michel RENON wrote IMHO, it's a bad decision : it clearly means that the design is incomplete. And it's not during the Beta phase that such work can be started. My suggestion is to postpone the start center for the 4.3 release. It's possible because the current start center is

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-07 Thread Arnaud Versini
Hi Just to be clear, Michel's idea is to postpone the new start center, not LibreOffice itself. Make the new startcenter as an experimental feature for example and to be default in 4.3 could be a solution. 2013/12/7 Pedro pedl...@gmail.com Hi Michel Michel RENON wrote IMHO, it's a bad

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-07 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Arnaud, What would be Michel's readons to post pone the start center to the 4.3? I am concerned that thls call to postpone is rooted in unrealistic expectations and ultimately makes us lose time while demotivating team members. Best, Charles. Arnaud Versini arnaud.vers...@gmail.com a écrit 

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-07 Thread Sophie
Le 07/12/2013 22:11, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Arnaud, What would be Michel's readons to post pone the start center to the 4.3? I am concerned that thls call to postpone is rooted in unrealistic expectations and ultimately makes us lose time while demotivating team members. Agreed,

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-06 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 06/12/2013 01:12, Michel Renon a écrit : Hi, [...] IMHO, it's a bad decision : it clearly means that the design is incomplete. And it's not during the Beta phase that such work can be started. My suggestion is to postpone the start center for the 4.3 release. I disagree, if we wait

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-05 Thread Michel Renon
Hi, Le 04/12/2013 10:03, Mirek M. a écrit : 2013/12/4 Jan Holesovsky ke...@collabora.com Hi Mirek, Mirek M. píše v Čt 28. 11. 2013 v 22:01 +0100: Please wait with the text until after this week's IRC chat, where we should finally reach consensus on all the controversial topics --

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-04 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. píše v Čt 28. 11. 2013 v 22:01 +0100: Please wait with the text until after this week's IRC chat, where we should finally reach consensus on all the controversial topics -- including button labels and the welcome text. Do we have the consensus now, please? Thank you,

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-12-04 Thread Mirek M.
2013/12/4 Jan Holesovsky ke...@collabora.com Hi Mirek, Mirek M. píše v Čt 28. 11. 2013 v 22:01 +0100: Please wait with the text until after this week's IRC chat, where we should finally reach consensus on all the controversial topics -- including button labels and the welcome text.

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-11-29 Thread Pedro
Hi mirek, all mirek2 wrote I hope most of the suggestions in my message aren't controversial, though. (At least, it seems so by the lack of responses here.) Except the one about the capitalization of the Create label -- let's keep it capitalized as it is now (so not all-caps). In my

[libreoffice-design] Re: Start Center Niggles

2013-11-28 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. píše v St 27. 11. 2013 v 21:23 +0100: The Start Center is a hot topic right now, I thought I'd chime in with my few cents. Kendy, sorry for asking you to do more work, I know you're busy. If you decide to just keep the center as is for now, that's fine. Also, sorry if I