Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-09-27 Thread Cor Nouws
Additional, Cor Nouws wrote on 18-09-15 20:05: > So I came across: > > 65205) https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=65205 > "Print Component fails to recognize 'Tabloid' as 11x17, uses Letter instead" > > The user makes the correct setting, but since the page is named > "Tabloid"

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-09-27 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi all, Note from the LibreOfficeiConference @DOKK1, Aarhus: Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote on 15-09-15 19:08: > Le 13/09/2015 23:45, Cor Nouws a écrit : >> >> One can set "the printer" in each page style of the active document. A >> bit conflicting?. But it can be added "set printer (for all

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-09-18 Thread Cor Nouws
Some more input: Cor Nouws wrote on 13-09-15 23:45: Katarina Behrens wrote on 19-08-15 15:48: >>> As far as I am aware, the most problems by far are indeed with the >>> experienced conflict between Page style (size/orientation) and >>> Printer settings. >>> > There's of course this "use

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-09-15 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, Cor Nouws wrote on 13-09-15 23:45: > Christoph Noack wrote on 06-09-15 15:00: > >> Am Montag, den 31.08.2015, 23:36 +0200 schrieb Cor Nouws: >>> So, ugly UX hack (sorry for even daring to suggest ;) ): >>> In the File > Print dialog, on the first Tab (General) add below the >>> list Printer

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-09-15 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Hi! I'm jumping in the bandwagon, just for one note: Le 13/09/2015 23:45, Cor Nouws a écrit : One can set "the printer" in each page style of the active document. A bit conflicting?. But it can be added "set printer (for all page styles)" What if|when page styles get the same hierarchical

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-09-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Christoph Noack wrote on 06-09-15 15:00: > Am Montag, den 31.08.2015, 23:36 +0200 schrieb Cor Nouws: >> Christoph Noack wrote on 20-08-15 15:39: Then, things like tdf#92676 (https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92676) happen -- user goes to printer settings,

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-09-06 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Cor, nice to see you as well - has been a long time. So I hope everything is fine on your side :) Am Montag, den 31.08.2015, 23:36 +0200 schrieb Cor Nouws: > Hi Christoph :) - Nice to see you! > > Hi all, > > Christoph Noack wrote on 20-08-15 15:39: [...] > > Am Mittwoch, den 19.08.2015,

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-08-31 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Christoph :) - Nice to see you! Hi all, Christoph Noack wrote on 20-08-15 15:39: > Am Mittwoch, den 19.08.2015, 13:48 + schrieb Katarina Behrens: >> Hello world, >> >> I started this discussion, so it's about time I also contribute >> something to it: >> >>> [...] >> >> The main issue I

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-08-25 Thread Heiko Tietze
Hi all, as an average user or rather Benjamin like beginner I'm quite confused. What I expect is a good preview which feds back what is being sent to the printer. In particular if my footnotes fits onto A4, whether all columns are shown in landscape view, or if my color cartridge is really not

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-08-25 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi Heiko, all! Thanks for the comments. I feel free to answer your mail in chunks... Am Dienstag, den 25.08.2015, 13:09 + schrieb Heiko Tietze: Hi all, as an average user or rather Benjamin like beginner I'm quite confused. What I expect is a good preview which feds back what is

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-08-20 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi again! Am Mittwoch, den 19.08.2015, 13:59 + schrieb Katarina Behrens: ... and totally unrelated to design part of the things ... * Print options (e.g. for Writer) are only partly saved in documents and therefore only partly restored. See the initial

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-08-20 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all! And, Katarina, great to hear you again :-) Am Mittwoch, den 19.08.2015, 13:48 + schrieb Katarina Behrens: Hello world, I started this discussion, so it's about time I also contribute something to it: [...] The main issue I have with status quo is this duality between

RE: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-08-19 Thread Katarina Behrens
Hello world, I started this discussion, so it's about time I also contribute something to it: To start the discussion I prepared a pad with the basics (needs some work though) and two alternative workflows/designs with mockups. Please comment the hell out of these ideas (either comment via

RE: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-08-19 Thread Katarina Behrens
... and totally unrelated to design part of the things ... * Print options (e.g. for Writer) are only partly saved in documents and therefore only partly restored. See the initial analysis at [4] (and [5]). Hasn't been addressed yet (guess why :-). this ^^^ is

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-08-17 Thread Christoph Noack
Hi all! Am Montag, den 27.07.2015, 15:19 + schrieb Heiko Tietze: To start the discussion I prepared a pad with the basics (needs some work though) and two alternative workflows/designs with mockups. Please comment the hell out of these ideas (either comment via speech bubble icon or just

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-07-19 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Heiko Tietze wrote: What's your schedule, Katarina? Do we have as much time as the prior art took? Let's put it that way - the current attention of that topic could be used for some quick iterative improvements. ;) Cheers, -- Thorsten -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-07-13 Thread Papamatti
Hey Jay, hey all in my opinion using the OS's print dialog isn't a good idea, because it would be a support nightmare for every admin. There are so many desktops and OS's out there and the print dialoges differs each other. The print dialog has to be the same on all systems - the output should

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-07-12 Thread Heiko Tietze
On Thursday 09 July 2015, 12:02:06 Michel RENON wrote: Maybe add an exception to your rule ? :-) Every rule needs an exception. :-) Looks like all cards are on the table; thanks for the references, Michel. What's your schedule, Katarina? Do we have as much time as the prior art took? -- To

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-07-10 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Hi, Le 09/07/2015 00:44, Jay Philips a écrit : [...] I also couldnt find an option in the Options dialog to tell LO to use the OS's print dialog. Until the version 4.3 this option was under Tools Options LibreOffice General. If you unchecked Use LibreOffice dialogs under Print dialogs

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-07-09 Thread Katarina Behrens
Hi * I've been wondering why we dont rely on the OS's print dialog rather than LO's internal one. It was something that came to mind as Heiko and I discussed dialogs for the HIG and the general rule is that dialogs should always utilize the OS's default dialogs, so that it LO integrates

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-07-09 Thread Michel RENON
Hi, Le 09/07/2015 00:44, Jay Philips a écrit : Hey Katarina and all, Not sure if this is 100% relevant, but was something i was thinking about last week. I've been wondering why we dont rely on the OS's print dialog rather than LO's internal one. It was something that came to mind as Heiko

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-07-09 Thread Pedro Rosmaninho
The problem with using the OS print dialog is that some print may lack options that LO needs. I would stick with a LO print dialog. I even consider the current dialog more intuitive than MSO 07 dialog. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Katarina Behrens katarina.behr...@cib.de wrote: Hi * I've

Re: [libreoffice-design] Improving printing UX

2015-07-08 Thread Jay Philips
Hey Katarina and all, Not sure if this is 100% relevant, but was something i was thinking about last week. I've been wondering why we dont rely on the OS's print dialog rather than LO's internal one. It was something that came to mind as Heiko and I discussed dialogs for the HIG and the