Re: [libreoffice-design] Suggestions for an Android User Interface

[Christopher Stark]

Hi,



Am 09.11.2011 22:38, schrieb Christoph Noack:
> Hi Christopher,
>
> it seems that more and more Christoph.*'s are subscribed to this
> list ;-)
>
>
> Am Mittwoch, den 09.11.2011, 13:04 +0100 schrieb Christopher Stark:
>> I would like to make some suggestions for an Adroid UI of LibreOffice:
>> http://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html
> Christopher, thank you! You've presented your thoughts very nicely ...
> easy to grasp, easy to understand and you've covered lots of cases. That
> makes it also easy for me to ask further questions - may I? :-)
Thanks (and thanks to Vitorio for the nice feedback).
Sure.

> My main question is what kind of Android device you had in mind when
> creating the images - a smartphone (small screen), or tablet (medium
> size screen)? To me, it is a bit hard to guess.

Mainly regular smartphones (such as the Samsung Galaxy S with 10,16
cm/4" display). I think it would make sense for a mobile Libreoffice to
start with the biggest android-segment which has the most users.
On the other hand one can ask the question if  users would use a
complete office suite like this on their phones. I don't really know. I
would if I had a document I had to edit while no desktop computer would
be around.
This libreoffice would probably become the main/most installed
office-app running on a very important  operating system of the next
years (strategically maybe /the/ most important) .

> My next question is what Android version you've designed for ...
> assuming that you've picked on recent version (its always so hard to
> predict how Android 2013 will look and behave like). Each of the
> versions do have different "preferred" UI elements like the Action Bar
> incl. the Overflow Menu and stuff. Or, also valid, do you propose to
> create a UI from scratch?

I'm not a programmer just an open-source enthusiast and Android user.
Are the UI elements really that far apart between the android versions?
How do other app-projects deal with this? Would it be so complicated to
design individual UI elements? For me as non-computer scientist
designing these  UI elements seems simple.

> Last question - I've noticed that you've preserved all functionality
> (again: assumption on my side). Is that correct? Do you think some
> functionality should be hidden / removed for Tablets/Smartphones?
>
I included all functions my user type would probably need (except for
maybe table of contents and chapter numbering). But many aspects I
included are very general - such as menu bars, choosing fonts and styles
scrolling within a document and so on.
I'm not sure if functions should be hidden. I think no - because users
who only need a document *reader* would simply use apps like the
'OpenOffice Document Reader'.

>> Maybe I can put this into the LO-Wiki, but I'm not sure if that works
>> with regular html-code...
> Well, regular html-code can be embedded, but then you (or we) loose some
> of the nice editing capabilities. Does anyone know if HTML can easily
> converted to WikiMedia source?
>
> Bye,
> Christoph
>
>
best regards
Christopher

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New handles

[alexander.wilms]

Sorry for the double - now triple- post, elementary's Postler messes my mail up 
:/

 On Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:24:53 +0100 Christoph Noack 
 wrote  


Hi Astron, all!

Am Dienstag, den 08.11.2011, 18:55 +0100 schrieb Astron:
> Hi.
> 
> I hope I didn't your LibreOffice yesterday – if you downloaded the
> Tango theme, you'll have noticed that (except for the markers), the
> theme looked pretty broken. Anyway, the good new is that the new
> handles are live now, so if you were to download a new development
> build tomorrow, they should be in already. The Tango handles are now
> also in the Humanity, Oxygen and Industrial themes.

Great, thanks a lot!!! It's great to see some progress here :-) I've
tried to follow the discussion on libreoffice-ux-advise and noticed that
there are still some issues to be ironed out. Nevertheless, I do have
some questions ...

 * In general, all the handles are very small - the original size
 is 7, but the size here is 6 pixels ... minus the transparent
 border, so that effectively 4 pixels remain. Is this the bug
 you've talked about with Michael. Currently it is very hard to
 see / work with the points. (Only Draw offers to switch to large
 handles, it seems ...)
 * When working with "points", blue handles are used for each of
 the points - the selected one is purple. Unfortunately, at least
 for me, it is hard to spot. And, the icons for accessing
 "points" functionality show red handles.
 * Plus, the glue points are a bit hard to find, since the
 background color is less bright yellow.

By the way, I've used this daily build in Virtual Machine:
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/Fedora_15_gcc-4.6_x86_64_dbgutil/master/2011-11-08_22.26.41/

[...]

Thanks a lot in advance!

Cheers,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Suggestions for an Android User Interface

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Christopher,

it seems that more and more Christoph.*'s are subscribed to this
list ;-)


Am Mittwoch, den 09.11.2011, 13:04 +0100 schrieb Christopher Stark:
> I would like to make some suggestions for an Adroid UI of LibreOffice:
> http://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html

Christopher, thank you! You've presented your thoughts very nicely ...
easy to grasp, easy to understand and you've covered lots of cases. That
makes it also easy for me to ask further questions - may I? :-)

My main question is what kind of Android device you had in mind when
creating the images - a smartphone (small screen), or tablet (medium
size screen)? To me, it is a bit hard to guess.

My next question is what Android version you've designed for ...
assuming that you've picked on recent version (its always so hard to
predict how Android 2013 will look and behave like). Each of the
versions do have different "preferred" UI elements like the Action Bar
incl. the Overflow Menu and stuff. Or, also valid, do you propose to
create a UI from scratch?

Last question - I've noticed that you've preserved all functionality
(again: assumption on my side). Is that correct? Do you think some
functionality should be hidden / removed for Tablets/Smartphones?


> Maybe I can put this into the LO-Wiki, but I'm not sure if that works
> with regular html-code...

Well, regular html-code can be embedded, but then you (or we) loose some
of the nice editing capabilities. Does anyone know if HTML can easily
converted to WikiMedia source?

Bye,
Christoph


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: New handles

[Christoph Noack]

Hi Astron, all!

Am Dienstag, den 08.11.2011, 18:55 +0100 schrieb Astron:
> Hi.
> 
> I hope I didn't your LibreOffice yesterday – if you downloaded the
> Tango theme, you'll have noticed that (except for the markers), the
> theme looked pretty broken. Anyway, the good new is that the new
> handles are live now, so if you were to download a new development
> build tomorrow, they should be in already. The Tango handles are now
> also in the Humanity, Oxygen and Industrial themes.

Great, thanks a lot!!! It's great to see some progress here :-) I've
tried to follow the discussion on libreoffice-ux-advise and noticed that
there are still some issues to be ironed out. Nevertheless, I do have
some questions ...

  * In general, all the handles are very small - the original size
is 7, but the size here is 6 pixels ... minus the transparent
border, so that effectively 4 pixels remain. Is this the bug
you've talked about with Michael. Currently it is very hard to
see / work with the points. (Only Draw offers to switch to large
handles, it seems ...)
  * When working with "points", blue handles are used for each of
the points - the selected one is purple. Unfortunately, at least
for me, it is hard to spot. And, the icons for accessing
"points" functionality show red handles.
  * Plus, the glue points are a bit hard to find, since the
background color is less bright yellow.

By the way, I've used this daily build in Virtual Machine:
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/Fedora_15_gcc-4.6_x86_64_dbgutil/master/2011-11-08_22.26.41/

[...]

Thanks a lot in advance!

Cheers,
Christoph


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[libreoffice-design] [Fwd: [Bug 38889] Make macro editing easier]

[Christoph Noack]

Hi all,

anybody here who has some deeper knowledge (or interest) around managing
macros? Bug 38889 (implicitly) asks for usability improvements for a
corresponding dialog.

I have done macro stuff ages ago, so I don't think I'm now qualified to
work on that ;-) I'd rather like to continue with Calc named ranges or
the bug reporting assistant.

So, anybody who might give this a try? Would be cool ...

Cheers,
Christoph


 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
> Von: bugzilla-dae...@freedesktop.org
> An: christoph.spamfo...@dogmatux.com
> Betreff: [Bug 38889] Make macro editing easier
> Datum: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:52:17 +
> 
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38889
> 
> --- Comment #1 from Björn Michaelsen  
> 2011-11-09 09:52:17 PST ---
> Rotating this into the featured EasyHacks on the wiki. However, this looks
> rather underspecified to me, thus:
> 
> @Cristoph: Could you re-CC anyone on the design team guide any possible takers
> along?
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Suggestions for an Android User Interface

[Vitorio Furusho]

Christopher,


It's cool, I found great ideas for the design of LibreOffce Android.

Congratulations.

Regards,

*Furusho, Vitorio*
Ativista de Software Livre, LibreOffice e ODF
ODF Alliance 
Award
Free Software Furusho 
LibreOffice 
Membro da The Document Foundation 



2011/11/9 Christopher Stark 

> Hi,
>
> I would like to make some suggestions for an Adroid UI of LibreOffice:
>
> http://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html
>
> Maybe I can put this into the LO-Wiki, but I'm not sure if that works
> with regular html-code...
>
> best regards
> Christopher
>
>
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[libreoffice-design] Suggestions for an Android User Interface

[Christopher Stark]

Hi,

I would like to make some suggestions for an Adroid UI of LibreOffice:

http://www.christopherstark.de/extern/LO-Android/Android_LO.html

Maybe I can put this into the LO-Wiki, but I'm not sure if that works
with regular html-code...

best regards
Christopher


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