Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Aug-08

2024-08-08 Thread toki
On 2024-08-08 21:42, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: First, let us return to a point that I thought was already settled: Changes to help/documentation text are not a solution for problems with the LibreOffice UI. If a control or a label is confusing or inconsistent, that needs to be improved in the app it

Re: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the UX/design meeting 2023-Feb-15

2023-02-15 Thread toki
On 15/02/2023 21:41, Eyal Rozenberg wrote: objections or claims which I would probably be able to convincingly rebut or disprove are stated and accepted with no retort or objection. An RFE masquerading as a bug report has to stand on its own merits. It has to provide a number of datapoints: *

Re: [libreoffice-design] Requirements for extension site

2018-10-15 Thread toki
On 10/13/18 7:52 AM, Heiko Tietze wrote: > these insights we created a new document for a new hosting platform. The > document is shared on > https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/E5RX5xK6jxQPLdK and open for > discussion. Responding here, cause it is easier for me. (Not sure why the site le

Re: [libreoffice-design] Requirements for extension site

2018-10-15 Thread toki
On 10/13/18 9:13 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: > Thanks, I added some comments, suggestions. And text (Ctrl+Shft+E starts Picking up a comment made by Heiko: «If the release would be a property of the project we could remove a lot of needed interactions. Drawback is that only one release is stored. Does th

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

2018-10-12 Thread toki
On 10/12/18 8:05 PM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > site is already capable to host templates, and allows some of the things > missing on the current extension site. Until/unless the search function on ask.libreoffice is fixed, migrating there is going to ensure that absolutely, positively ensure th

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

2018-10-12 Thread toki
On 10/12/18 11:36 AM, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > The second question then is how to get that metadata. E.g. the license has to > be in the extension itself. So why bothering to ask the uploader about it, > possibly causing even mismatched metadata, because the manual entry had a > different value t

Re: [libreoffice-design] Topic for design team to investigate: Content hosting consolidation on ask.libreoffice.org

2018-10-12 Thread toki
On 10/12/18 9:28 AM, kainz.a wrote: > Template contributor: Share his template, don't care about LibO version As a template contributor, in theory, I'm not concerned about the specific version of LibO that is used. Two of the templates I've uploaded, haven't been broken by changes within LibO. F

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re[2]: [libreoffice-design] Minutes from the design meeting 2018-Sep-05

2018-09-12 Thread toki
hat. Personally, I'd rip out the "Select Firefox Theme", and at ">LibreOffice >Paths" under Type add "Persona", and set path "/home/toki/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery//persona" as the default. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubsc

Re: [libreoffice-design] Terminology modifications to Paste Special format

2018-04-05 Thread toki
On 04/05/2018 01:22 PM, Heiko Tietze wrote: > * HTML (HyperText Markup Language) -> Web formatting (HTML) > + Samuel: I would just call this HTML, that's a common term > + Heiko: common but not according the convention > * HTML format -> Simple web formatting (HTML) > + Samuel: What exactl

Re: [libreoffice-design] GSoC'17: Customization

2017-06-04 Thread toki
On 06/04/2017 09:24 PM, Heiko Tietze wrote: >The question to me is why disabled persons would customize menu, toolbar, and >shortcuts. So it works with their A11Y software. Shortcut customization is related to which keystrokes, or keystroke sequences their software intercepts and sends to /dev/

Re: [libreoffice-design] GSoC'17: Customization

2017-06-04 Thread toki
On 05/30/2017 12:23 PM, Heiko Tietze wrote: > The project has started this week, so we need quick feedback. A simple > thumbs up or down is okay, explanations are better. Just want to make explicit my preference of Variant 2. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.lib

Re: [libreoffice-design] GSoC'17: Customization

2017-06-04 Thread toki
On 06/02/2017 11:35 AM, Alex ARNAUD wrote: > Also the variant 2 seems to take into account keyboard-only users like blind > persons. Not just blind people. With variant 2, automated tools/software can more easily interact with the program·, without using the normal APIs.(There are a couple A11Y

Re: [libreoffice-design] Chart Colors

2017-05-31 Thread toki
On 05/28/2017 11:01 AM, Heiko Tietze wrote: >as the chart colors are hard-coded. Going by http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/officecfg/registry/schema/org/openoffice/Office/Chart.xcs#30 it looks that users don't have the ability to change them. if so, that is unacceptable. In some indust

Re: [libreoffice-design] Reason for creating document

2017-04-20 Thread toki
On 04/20/2017 01:01 PM, Sławomir Lach wrote: > My idea is about fit UI of LO for current use reason. Whilst the only implementation (^1) of that I've seen, looked workable, two issues I saw were: * Confused users, because an unexpected, unfamiliar UI was presented. (^2); * Users of A11Y tools los

Re: [libreoffice-design] Numbering & Bullets

2017-04-04 Thread toki
On 04/04/2017 07:59 PM, jan wrote: > Intuitively, I would say, my biggest issue with the bullets is that they are > big and ugly*: Create your own bullets using List Styles. That way, you get to control everything. > to talk about the default image ones (shapes in bright colors). You can use

Re: [libreoffice-design] "LibreColour" palettes for LibreOffice

2016-12-07 Thread toki
On 16/11/16 10:53, Heiko Tietze wrote: > I forward your message to the ML. As you may know we will have better user > palette management in 5.3. Meaning you can add colors in the area style > dialog to the newly introduced 'custom palette'. The former palette > management at Tools > Options > Co

Re: Aw: Re: [libreoffice-design] "LibreColour" palettes for LibreOffice

2016-11-20 Thread toki
On 20/11/16 08:21, "Christoph Schäfer" wrote: >it doesn't make sense to remove most of the previously available palettes >until users can download them separately Which version of LibO will be the first one to ship _without_ the colour palettes? If it is LibO 5.3..0.x (the one that is currently

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: "LibreColour" palettes for LibreOffice

2016-11-20 Thread toki
On 17/11/2016 22:33, V Stuart Foote wrote: > A palette of 16.7 million colors is a bit too many to scroll and pick from, > mind numbing to advance through. It makes a very good test of one's ability to discriminate between shades that are very closely related. > No restart is necessary and ren

Re: [libreoffice-design] "LibreColour" palettes for LibreOffice

2016-11-17 Thread toki
On 16/11/2016 08:24, Heiko Tietze wrote: >But it's hard to imagine how to deal with the 545 (luckily named) colors from the Scribus palette. Go back to 2004, and there were complaints from some people that the palettes for OOo didn't contain enough colours. Those complaints were what prompted me

Re: [libreoffice-design] Bundled english fonts

2016-10-12 Thread toki
On 12/10/2016 06:20, K-J LibreOffice wrote: > Vegur is used in the logo and accompanying text. Logos don't count, because they are images, rather than plain text. jonathon -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: design+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/ma

Re: [libreoffice-design] Bundled english fonts

2016-10-11 Thread toki
On 12/10/2016 02:12, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: > Am I correct that some of the LO documents used Vegur fonts? I thought that only Liberation fonts were used in the documentation. > maybe LO could suggest different fonts in the online documentation That idea has been tossed out befor

Re: [libreoffice-design] Bundled english fonts

2016-10-10 Thread toki
On 10/10/2016 20:58, Francisco Adrián Sánchez wrote: > I would for the approach of "2 serif fonts, 2 sans serif font, 1 or none > mono". When you talk about fonts, do you mean fonts, or typefaces? > Furthermore, I don't see the point of bundling Gentium Basic _and_ Gentium > Book Basic. If on

Re: [libreoffice-design] Default and bundled arabic fonts

2016-10-07 Thread toki
On 07/10/2016 19:34, Yousuf Philips wrote: >I'm looking to get some Arabic fonts bundled with LO Droid Arabic *? I was under the impression that Google had dropped support of the Droid* fonts, in favour of NoTo* fonts. More crucially is how the fonts look: * When used with Mac OS X, Windows, an

Re: [libreoffice-design] Fwd: Color palette generator

2016-09-27 Thread toki
On 27/09/2016 20:24, Francisco Adrián Sánchez wrote: > Document Foundation Wiki. Thus, if you are interested please look for the > file: > "File:Palette_Fortran_code.odt". The list strips attachments, and that link doesn't go anywhere. > some of you are already dealing with document themes. So,

Re: [libreoffice-design] LibreOffice Additions (aka extensions and templates)

2016-09-21 Thread toki
multi-cloud-file-explorer/releases >Scope > Personas: Yes, please! Can the internal code be modified/rewritten to load personas from one's local system? /home/toki/.config/libreoffice/4/user/gallery/personas/ implies that this functionality was part of the design specs. >Table Styl

Re: [libreoffice-design] Blogging with LibreOffice?

2016-06-30 Thread toki
On 30/06/2016 18:37, Blindjourno wrote: > I would like to know if there is a way to blog with LibreOffice directly > within the program either through an extension or some other method? I write/edit blog posts using LibreOffice, then do a cut and paste. If looks OK after pasting it to the blog,

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: [tdf-core] Square Logo for TDF

2016-06-13 Thread toki
K-J wrote: > - Text "TheDocumentFoundation" should not be green as TDF does not only > respresent LibO (=DLP). Does the Document Foundation have an unofficial/semi-official/official livery? The search I did using various search engines failed to find one. (Which means squat, because the same sea

[libreoffice-design] 1024 colour palette

2016-04-14 Thread toki
All: As alluded to in my messages about the Draw Survey, the colour palette I use for LibO has more than 1024 colours. (38,120 if "cat standard.soc | grep name | wp -l" is to be believed. Not all colours are unique. If more unique colours are needed, http://libreoffice-environment.blogspot.com/201

Re: [libreoffice-design] Results from the Draw Survey

2016-04-13 Thread toki
On 13/04/2016 08:46, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > but if you held and released it only when it has a 1024 color > palette it would have bigger impact because you would release something > already much more polished and usable. The marketing team could then give > more emphasis to that. I realize I w

Re: [libreoffice-design] Results from the Draw Survey

2016-04-12 Thread toki
On 11/04/2016 06:58, Heiko Tietze wrote: > We run some of the previous studies localized. Even Chinese was > included in one of the surveys. The problem is that not only waiting > for the translation team heavily reduces the velocity but also the > analysis of free text answers needs language exper

Re: [libreoffice-design] Results from the Draw Survey

2016-04-10 Thread toki
On 25/03/2016 08:12, Heiko Tietze wrote: > My intention was to summarize in terms of use-cases. And the article should > contain all high-level things. Not sure if it is exhaustive, but you should > be > able to get an idea yourself from the results. Is the only locale in the survey « EN »? I

Re: [libreoffice-design] Results from the Draw Survey

2016-03-24 Thread toki
On 24/03/2016 09:29, Heiko Tietze wrote: >> Can you redo the charts in colour, rather than B&W. > Sure. But why? Improve3s readability/ease of understanding. >And what color? Each one a different colour. >> comprehensive, and more complete set of citations. > I'm afraid of making the post len

Re: [libreoffice-design] Results from the Draw Survey

2016-03-23 Thread toki
On 23/03/2016 16:51, Heiko Tietze wrote: > read critical to make sure that it's not too concise, not boring, and > that you can follow the argumentation. Can you redo the charts in colour, rather than B&W. > The result is a personal conclusion that should be verified. I didn't read the individu

Re: [libreoffice-design] New default fonts

2016-02-20 Thread toki
On 20/02/2016 15:44, Tim wrote: > Here is the text from the Unifont web site [reformated for this email]. I only had unifont 7.x.ttf installed, where "x" is the digits I don't remember. (I've since deleted it, and installed all four.) I've since installed the 8.x fonts. I'll play with them lat

Re: [libreoffice-design] New default fonts

2016-02-20 Thread toki
On 20/02/2016 20:29, Tim wrote: > Here is the text from the Unifont web site [reformated for this email] . I only had unifont 7.x.ttf installed, where "x" is the digits I don't remember. (I've since deleted it, and installed all four.) I've installed the 8.x fonts today. I'll play with them late

Re: [libreoffice-design] New default fonts

2016-02-20 Thread toki
On February 19, 2016 5:03:59 PM PST, Tim wrote: >Personally, I think you cannot have any font that has "everything" for >"everyone's" needs. Three or four core fonts, and an extension similar to the one that optimizes LibO for Japanese, for then 40 or so writing systems that LibO supports. L

Re: [libreoffice-design] Reviews of Libre Office focusing on the UI...

2015-09-23 Thread toki
On 23/09/15 13:08, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote: > of the functions of the formatting toolbar are present in the Sidebar. > Maybe we could experiment removing the formatting toolbar by default? Whilst I am all in favour of abolishing the formatting bar, including its complete and utter elimination from

Re: [libreoffice-design] Validity of survey data

2015-06-15 Thread toki
On 06/15/2015 01:25 PM, Heiko Tietze wrote: > I'm sorry but you get me wrong. I was refering to Dingo-Dog and Tommy as > trolls. The issue with using terms like "troll" is that those not intended to be branded as such, do get branded as such. A second reason is that the term has now come to me

Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: The Sidebar Problem

2014-02-04 Thread Toki
On 1/28/2014 2:00 PM, Daniel Hulse wrote: >Some people have said that the sidebar emphasizes direct formatting. Those people are wrong. In as much as it shows that direct formatting is possible, it is an abomination. I would not know there was such a thing as styles if it were not for th

[libreoffice-design] Re: [libreoffice-users] AOO for Android - not worth the download

2013-06-22 Thread Toki Kantoor
On 06/22/2013 04:58 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >>What type of features and options are really needed, or People replaced their desktop with a laptop. Now they are replacing their laptop with a tablet. So whatever you used to do on a desktop, or laptop, will be done on a tablet. >> But what ed

Re: [libreoffice-design] Font repository integration

2012-09-11 Thread toki
On 09/11/2012 11:48 AM, Sveinn í Felli wrote: > Counting the number of used styles and fonts would be nice to have somewhere, some power users may appreciate. Once upon a time, and extension was available that did that. Guessing, it died around the time that OOo 1.1.4 was released. TestFonts l

Re: [libreoffice-design] Screenshots for LibreOffice documentation

2011-07-08 Thread toki
On 07/07/2011 04:59 AM, David Nelson wrote: > I somehow *feel* that Microsoft would be much less likely to succeed in such > hypothetical action in European courts. It doesn't matter if Microsoft wins or loses the judicial decision. What matters is if the defendants have the cash to pay for thei

Re: [libreoffice-design] Usability comes from stability

2011-05-10 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/2011 20:11, Octavio Alvarez wrote: >> Have you ever tried to copy and paste fifty pages out of a hundred page >> document? It was easy to do in WordStar but difficult with all of the >> scrolling in current era programs. WordStar had a simpl

Re: [libreoffice-design] They need graphic material, WE NEED A MOTIF!

2011-02-20 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 19/02/2011 23:08, Daniel Merker wrote: > and an overarching color scheme for the suite, not individual programs. Could you more clearly differentiate between what you are proposing, and the LibreOffice colour palette, _without_ using Microsoft, or