Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi all, just wanted to make you aware that the Saving Information icon by Paulo have been nicely integrated into LibreOffice (just checked in a daily build). Speaking for the Design Team, thanks to Dmitry for taking care! :-) Especially since the other developers mentioned that it was quite some work - code wise. More information: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39430 Cheers, Christoph PS: Dmitry, sorry for sending it a second time ... the first time I sent it to the old ML address. Am Montag, den 14.03.2011, 21:59 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: Hi Kohei, Paulo, all! Am Montag, den 14.03.2011, 13:26 -0400 schrieb Kohei Yoshida: Hi Christoph, On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 13:23 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: Kohei, would it make sense to turn this into an easy hack? [...] Yes. Feel free to put this into easy hack. I'll fill in the missing bits (Skills etc) later. But let's put this up on the page first. Thank you! I was a bit hesitant to change something on my own on that page ... :-) http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks#Improving_Saving_Information_Icon_in_the_Status_Bar Paulo, I felt free to add a link to your recent blog posting describing the idea. I think it's very helpful for people to look at the images instead reading my boring description (only). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/design/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi Christoph, On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 13:23 +0100, Christoph Noack wrote: Kohei, would it make sense to turn this into an easy hack? Background: Improve the feedback for the user if a document has been saved recently. This feedback will be shown by extending the already available document symbol in the status bar. * Document Symbol Empty: Show if the document has been newly created, or the content is unchanged in comparison to the saved version. * Document Symbol Orange Star: Show if the document has been unsaved changes or a document saving process is still running. * Document Symbol Green Checkmark: Show for 3 seconds after a document saving process has been finished. Then switch to document symbol Empty (see above). Skills: ??? Contact: LibreOffice Design Team (Paulo) Resources: ??? exported document symbol files Yes. Feel free to put this into easy hack. I'll fill in the missing bits (Skills etc) later. But let's put this up on the page first. Thanks! Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc kyosh...@novell.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi Paulo, Kohei, all Paulo José schrieb: Hi Kohei, all On 11-03-2011 19:11, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Yes, this is a good idea, and I like it a lot. That would greatly enhance the visibility of this icon. The only issue is that, implementing it would take a little extra effort. So what I'd like to do is to just leave the icon behavior as-is for 3.4 (but update the icon images with yours), and look into implementing timed feedback that you are proposing after the 3.4 release. I hope that's okay. For me it's allright. But I think we must wait a bit more for feedback from the other design and UX's people. But I'm very glade that you like the idea! So, for 3.4, I guess we should take the left and middle ones? Yeah, but like I've said, we should wait. I'd like to get some other members opinions, like Bernhard, Nik or Ivan. Up to this moment, just Christoph and Jaron did take part on it. Sorry for not stepping in earlier - this task has been handled in a very good way by you, so I didn't see any reason to intervene. I support the new icons you created - and the third icon for newly saved documents, once a developer can implement it. :-) One point we should think of later on: Shouldn't the status bar graphics be part of the different icon themes? I don't see them changing when switching from Tango to Galaxy or HiCon. (When your proposal for a new order of statusbar icons will be worked on, this could be integrated too) Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi Kohei, all On 11-03-2011 19:11, Kohei Yoshida wrote: Yes, this is a good idea, and I like it a lot. That would greatly enhance the visibility of this icon. The only issue is that, implementing it would take a little extra effort. So what I'd like to do is to just leave the icon behavior as-is for 3.4 (but update the icon images with yours), and look into implementing timed feedback that you are proposing after the 3.4 release. I hope that's okay. For me it's allright. But I think we must wait a bit more for feedback from the other design and UX's people. But I'm very glade that you like the idea! So, for 3.4, I guess we should take the left and middle ones? Yeah, but like I've said, we should wait. I'd like to get some other members opinions, like Bernhard, Nik or Ivan. Up to this moment, just Christoph and Jaron did take part on it. Kohei Thank you for your support, Kohei! ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi Paulo, Christoph, Wow... I can't believe its been so long. This thread took quite the nap. I also like Style 1 best, top right corner, and 14x11. Although the orange seems a bit loud. I guess that is acceptable since it is likely the most appropriate color from our arsenal. It seems fine in Christoph's example. You may consider matching the gradient for the outline of the page in your icon to match the page icons in the zoom toolbar if they are going to be located so close. It may also give the icon a little more attention. Other than that, I think its great! Good job! Cheers, Jaron On Sat, Mar 5, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Christoph Noack christ...@dogmatux.comwrote: Hi all! Am Dienstag, den 01.02.2011, 18:59 -0200 schrieb Paulo José: Hello everybody! Some days ago Some weeks ago ... sorry for the long delay :-\ , Christoph suggested me [1] to give a try to an already knew issue, related to icons used to show saving information on the status bar. The current icon shows an exclamation mark on a document when the document have not saved changes, and some people think may be better ways to represent this status. [...] So, based on what was discussed, I tried to create new icons to this behavior, based on the initial mimetype icons style. I keep two version, since the current icon is 14px tall, but a source [4] says the status bar icons must be 11px tall. I used some different (*) character to follow the suggestion of some people. Thank you so much, Paulo. Personally, I think the Style 1 (upper right) works best. The main reason is, that the shape of the document is preserved well - although the icon is so tiny. And, the star seems to appear quite balanced in this version. I first worried about the orange color, because usually yellow is used for indicating new. But of course - yellow is (given the constraints) almost invisible, so orange seems a great compromise. What else? Mmh, I think the 14x11px version fits better to the overall style of the status bar. The larger ones seem to be out of place somehow. So, if somebody wants to have a look at it - I've created an example by adding Paulo's icon to a simple status bar image: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/tLL1kYfD-fNZ8d5wkSzydA?feat=directlink Any further thoughts? To me, it's already an improvement - so I'm happy to export the icons and create an issue for that. I'll keep the source ... Versions on 16x14px: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-16x14px.svg Versions on 14x11px: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg I hope it can be useful in some way. :) By the way, I hope everybody noticed the interview with Paulo - I discovered more or less accidentally :-) http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/03/04/interview-with-paulo-jose-o-amaro/ Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi Jaron! On 06-03-2011 10:49, Jaron Kuppers wrote: Hi Paulo, Christoph, Wow... I can't believe its been so long. This thread took quite the nap. I also like Style 1 best, top right corner, and 14x11. Although the orange seems a bit loud. I guess that is acceptable since it is likely the most appropriate color from our arsenal. It seems fine in Christoph's example. Thank you! You may consider matching the gradient for the outline of the page in your icon to match the page icons in the zoom toolbar if they are going to be located so close. It may also give the icon a little more attention. Yeah, I tried your and Christoph's suggestions and the result seems to be actually better: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg (force reload if it doesn't work) The Style 1 and 2 have the same size of Page Zoom icons (9px large) and each one have a gradient style (the Style 2 matching the Page Zoom icon's gradient). The Style 3 and 4 are 1px larger (10px large), the exactly same size of my previous proposal. See you guys! ~Paulo -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi Paulo! Before I start - wow, it's always amazing how quick you can come up with such stuff (I didn't even invested the time to look on your other icons, I'm totally curious...). Am Sonntag, den 06.03.2011, 15:04 -0300 schrieb Paulo José: ... Yeah, I tried your and Christoph's suggestions and the result seems to be actually better: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg The Style 1 and 2 have the same size of Page Zoom icons (9px large) and each one have a gradient style (the Style 2 matching the Page Zoom icon's gradient). The Style 3 and 4 are 1px larger (10px large), the exactly same size of my previous proposal. Mmh, from the visual point-of-view, I prefer the 10px large icons - it just looks more balanced with the '*' inside. And the new outline looks great as well ... Concerning the differences to the other icons - some people may call me Mr. Consistency, but in this case it might be okay to be different (having in mind that we finally will end up in revamping the whole interface). The difference is document (your icon) and page (the existing icons in the status bar). One little (last) thing - when I looked at the icons, I noticed that the behavior of the items in the status bar are different. To be honest, the status bar is no status bar (only), since there are control elements like the zoom slider etc. Therefore, I wanted to better separate the active and the inactive items - along with some better visibility of information is important (document unchanged) and it is important (document changed). Thus, I slightly increased the transparency in the former case: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/o1JxptFPXGwS8MdlFm5rOA?feat=directlink Paulo - in this case I'd like as you in the first place. Would this be still okay to you? Feel free to answer straightforward ;-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Proposal for Saving Information icons on Status Bar
Hi Paulo, It looks like a good start. I will give you more feedback later, (I am busy at work). Cheers, Jaron 2011/2/1 Paulo José paul...@gmail.com Hello everybody! Some days ago, Christoph suggested me [1] to give a try to an already knew issue, related to icons used to show saving information on the status bar. The current icon shows an exclamation mark on a document when the document have not saved changes, and some people think may be better ways to represent this status. Looking up the past discussions about this issue to understand what was done, I found some interesting links [2] [3]. So, based on what was discussed, I tried to create new icons to this behavior, based on the initial mimetype icons style. I keep two version, since the current icon is 14px tall, but a source [4] says the status bar icons must be 11px tall. I used some different (*) character to follow the suggestion of some people. Versions on 16x14px: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-16x14px.svg Versions on 14x11px: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Status-bar-icons-saved-file-14x11px.svg I hope it can be useful in some way. :) Best regards, ~Paulo [1] Small Icon Artwork Project (was: Re: [libreoffice-design] Kicking Off the LibreOffice Design Team) http://go.mail-archive.com/ZXUvilyqV8RdwiU-erOUILtRjfA [2] [Visual Design] Request for Icon Artwork (was: Re: [Libreoffice] [UX] LO status bar annoyances) http://www.mail-archive.com/design@libreoffice.org/msg00087.html [3] HackWeek – Minor polish http://kohei.us/2009/07/27/hackweek-minor-polish/ [4] New feature icons: Zoom Scaling Slider http://ui.openoffice.org/VisualDesign/OOo_icons_zoomslider.html#iconszoom -- Paulo José O. Amaro Computer Science Student Federal University of São João del-Rei WebDesigner / Linked Empresa Júnior Blogger / casatwain.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
