Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental

[Alex ARNAUD]

Le 06/11/2018 à 08:43, kainz.a a écrit :

I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs
- bad keyboard navigation
you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to
Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if
svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is
hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the
different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab
I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help.


From my personal point of view of visual-impaired user that mainly uses 
keyboard if Notebookbar doesn't became the default layout on LibreOffice 
it's not an issue for me to see them outside of experimental.


Indeed, the keyboard navigation issues should be fixed and reported if 
it's not the case. Unfortunately, I don't think I'll have the time to 
deal with them. As I know V Stuart has looked and follow LibreOffice 
Notebookbar and accessibility issues.


Thanks all for the involvement to make LibreOffice a better software 
everyday.


Best regards,
Alex.

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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

I can reinstall the VM but it was atrociously slow. I don't have a Mac
myself.

Maybe an event to do bug hunting in MacOS could be organized and advertised?

Na(o) seg, 12/11/2018, 14:41, Michael Meeks 
escreveu:

> Hi there,
>
> On 09/11/2018 11:58, Edoardo Maria Elidoro wrote:
> > I do agree to move the Notebookbar out of experimental.
> > The latest updates on the Tabbed Toolbar in the master branch improved
> both
> > the usability and the look & feel making it (in my opinion) a really
> useful
> > and nice feature to have.
> >
> > I don't see a single reason why we should keep it in experimental.
>
> IIRC the ESC agreed to have the option to enable it appear by
> default
> at least in the run up to 6.2 to encourage more people to play with and
> (hopefully) debug the functionality.
>
> Hopefully it will be in a good enough state for 6.2 final - but
> there
> is no real magic way to make developers come & get involved and fix the
> shortcomings short of encouraging them when they show up, and
> evangelizing to / mentoring them.
> > Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 17:50 Pedro Rosmaninho <
> > mota.pr...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> >
> >> - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are
> minor
> >> aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there
> are
> >> far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the
> notebookbar
> >> that warrant more attention.
>
> Would be interested in a tracker bug for those; I'm interested in a
> good, ordered list of the nastiest Mac bugs to fix.
>
> Thanks !
>
> Michael.
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Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental

[Michael Meeks]

Hi there,

On 09/11/2018 11:58, Edoardo Maria Elidoro wrote:
> I do agree to move the Notebookbar out of experimental.
> The latest updates on the Tabbed Toolbar in the master branch improved both
> the usability and the look & feel making it (in my opinion) a really useful
> and nice feature to have.
> 
> I don't see a single reason why we should keep it in experimental.

IIRC the ESC agreed to have the option to enable it appear by default
at least in the run up to 6.2 to encourage more people to play with and
(hopefully) debug the functionality.

Hopefully it will be in a good enough state for 6.2 final - but there
is no real magic way to make developers come & get involved and fix the
shortcomings short of encouraging them when they show up, and
evangelizing to / mentoring them.
> Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 17:50 Pedro Rosmaninho <
> mota.pr...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
>> - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are minor
>> aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there are
>> far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the notebookbar
>> that warrant more attention.

Would be interested in a tracker bug for those; I'm interested in a
good, ordered list of the nastiest Mac bugs to fix.

Thanks !

Michael.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental

[Edoardo Maria Elidoro]

I do agree to move the Notebookbar out of experimental.
The latest updates on the Tabbed Toolbar in the master branch improved both
the usability and the look & feel making it (in my opinion) a really useful
and nice feature to have.

I don't see a single reason why we should keep it in experimental.

Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018 alle ore 17:50 Pedro Rosmaninho <
mota.pr...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Just as a side note. I've been using the Tabbedbar in 6.1 Fresh release
> daily in my work on Windows 10.
> None of those open issues are something that affect the functionality of
> the Tabbed bar in daily use.
>
> - The chart editing toolbar issue is expecially annoying but it is also
> something that happens with the Standard Toolbars, since performing chart
> editing also replace the Standard Toolbar by the Cart Editing toolbar. If
> anything the Tabbedbar is *superior* in that regard because it remains
> visible when the chart editing toolbar is present.
>
> - As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are minor
> aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there are
> far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the notebookbar
> that warrant more attention.
>
> So please lets move the Notebookbar out of experimental. The Groupedbars
> and Tabbedbars are in great shape.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:43 PM Pedro Rosmaninho 
> wrote:
>
> > Please, this would be amazing.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 7:42 AM kainz.a  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under
> development
> >> since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this
> >> experimental feature.
> >>
> >> I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs
> >> - bad keyboard navigation
> >> you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to
> >> Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if
> >> svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar
> is
> >> hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add
> the
> >> different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab
> >> I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help.
> >>
> >> - chart didn't support NB
> >> the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar
> and
> >> the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do)
> >> and
> >> use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in
> this
> >> change cause chart if different from other modules.
> >>
> >> - OS-X glitches
> >> on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say
> to
> >> much.
> >>
> >> The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff.
> >> We
> >> talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real
> >> progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some
> >> implementations
> >> (tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user
> >> feedback and maybe some new developers.
> >>
> >> cheers
> >> Andreas_K
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

Just as a side note. I've been using the Tabbedbar in 6.1 Fresh release
daily in my work on Windows 10.
None of those open issues are something that affect the functionality of
the Tabbed bar in daily use.

- The chart editing toolbar issue is expecially annoying but it is also
something that happens with the Standard Toolbars, since performing chart
editing also replace the Standard Toolbar by the Cart Editing toolbar. If
anything the Tabbedbar is *superior* in that regard because it remains
visible when the chart editing toolbar is present.

- As for MacOS glitches, I tried it on a MacOS VM and the issues are minor
aesthetic issues that do not impact its functionality. In fact, there are
far more serious glitches in LO on MacOS not related with the notebookbar
that warrant more attention.

So please lets move the Notebookbar out of experimental. The Groupedbars
and Tabbedbars are in great shape.



On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 4:43 PM Pedro Rosmaninho 
wrote:

> Please, this would be amazing.
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 7:42 AM kainz.a  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under development
>> since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this
>> experimental feature.
>>
>> I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs
>> - bad keyboard navigation
>> you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to
>> Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if
>> svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is
>> hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the
>> different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab
>> I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help.
>>
>> - chart didn't support NB
>> the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar and
>> the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do)
>> and
>> use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in this
>> change cause chart if different from other modules.
>>
>> - OS-X glitches
>> on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say to
>> much.
>>
>> The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff.
>> We
>> talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real
>> progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some
>> implementations
>> (tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user
>> feedback and maybe some new developers.
>>
>> cheers
>> Andreas_K
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

Please, this would be amazing.

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 7:42 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under development
> since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this
> experimental feature.
>
> I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs
> - bad keyboard navigation
> you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to
> Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if
> svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is
> hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the
> different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab
> I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help.
>
> - chart didn't support NB
> the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar and
> the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do) and
> use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in this
> change cause chart if different from other modules.
>
> - OS-X glitches
> on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say to
> much.
>
> The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff. We
> talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real
> progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some implementations
> (tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user
> feedback and maybe some new developers.
>
> cheers
> Andreas_K
>
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[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar out of Experimental

[kainz.a]

Hi,

I know the notebookbar implementation has bugs but it's under development
since around 4 years and on each release the news pages wrote about this
experimental feature.

I talked at Munich Hackfest about the big open bugs
- bad keyboard navigation
you can use F6 like in every other LibO app (F6 switch from Menubar to
Toolbar to NB to Sidebar), but it would be awesome if
svtlo-ManagedMenuButton will support keyboard shortcut focus if menubar is
hidden and also sfxlo-NotebookbarToolBox widgets which was used to add the
different uno commands didn't work with F6 -> tab
I hope to get some patches to fix this issue, you are welcome to help.

- chart didn't support NB
the chart bug (if you open an chart in writer you see the notebookbar and
the toolbar) can be fixed by add an NB to chart module (which I can do) and
use this NB instead of the chart toolbar. But there is no progress in this
change cause chart if different from other modules.

- OS-X glitches
on OS-X there are several UI issues. I don't have an Mac so I can't say to
much.

The biggest issue is that there is NO developer working on the NB stuff. We
talk each release to bring NB out of experimental. As there is no real
progress (excluding the ui files) I recommend to bring some implementations
(tabbed, groupedbar) ouf of experimental for 6.2. Than we get more user
feedback and maybe some new developers.

cheers
Andreas_K

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[infinitytec]

Good to hear!


Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand 
it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
 Original message From: Pedro Rosmaninho  
Date: 9/13/18  8:47 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: "kainz.a"  Cc: 
riz_17_...@yahoo.co.id, Joe Brazell , Cor Nouws 
, Mike Saunders , 
design@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: 
[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1 
It appears Kshitij Pathania will try to keep working on the Notebookbar. We 
should keep incentivizing him so that he won't fade away. 

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:13 PM kainz.a  wrote:


Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface?

Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer. 



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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

It appears Kshitij Pathania will try to keep working on the Notebookbar. We
should keep incentivizing him so that he won't fade away.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 12:13 PM kainz.a  wrote:

>
> Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface?
>>
>
> Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer.
>

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

> Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface?
>

Or maybe at least an slideshow to the installer.

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Rizal Muttaqin]

The NB keyboard shortcut is very important for accessibility. It one of 
a big blocker for user.


Is it possible if someone implement first time wizard to choose interface?

On 9/13/18 3:52 PM, kainz.a wrote:

Pedro, I'm always open for improvements

best would be to fill a bug report and I can do the ui changes.

Am Do., 13. Sep. 2018 um 10:42 Uhr schrieb Pedro Rosmaninho <
mota.pr...@gmail.com>:


There are some things on the layout that need to be improved and do not
require a dev. Some things that can be done with Glade. :)

As for having a dev to work on bugfixing I completely agree with you.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM kainz.a  wrote:


As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2
releases we don't have to talk about change defaults.

Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did
show how to change to another layout.



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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

Pedro, I'm always open for improvements

best would be to fill a bug report and I can do the ui changes.

Am Do., 13. Sep. 2018 um 10:42 Uhr schrieb Pedro Rosmaninho <
mota.pr...@gmail.com>:

> There are some things on the layout that need to be improved and do not
> require a dev. Some things that can be done with Glade. :)
>
> As for having a dev to work on bugfixing I completely agree with you.
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM kainz.a  wrote:
>
>> As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2
>> releases we don't have to talk about change defaults.
>>
>> Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did
>> show how to change to another layout.
>>
>

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

There are some things on the layout that need to be improved and do not
require a dev. Some things that can be done with Glade. :)

As for having a dev to work on bugfixing I completely agree with you.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:35 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2
> releases we don't have to talk about change defaults.
>
> Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did
> show how to change to another layout.
>

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

As long as there is no developer how will do bugfixing for at least 2
releases we don't have to talk about change defaults.

Maybe we can show an startup configuration dialogue or like ubuntu did show
how to change to another layout.

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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

And I would love to see the tabbed bar as the default in Windows... I think
most skepticism against a Ribbon UI comes from Linux LO users so for those
I would retain the classic toolbar.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:22 AM Pedro Rosmaninho 
wrote:

> We have to see if Kshitij has any interest in finishing the polishing of
> the Tabbed bar. And what about Szymon Klos, Andreas? Would he be available?
>
> As for the tabbed bar, there's still some improvements that I would like
> to suggest in the general layout. Minor things.
> And the other day I found a toolbar that was activated in the tabbed bar
> that shouldn't be active.
> And yes, chart editing is the big block right now.
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:43 AM kainz.a  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cor
>>
>> There are two bugs that should be fixed first.
>>
>> 1. Keyboard navigation didn't work well
>> 2. Chart module don't respect NB. Add an chart to writer and see the
>> issue.
>>
>> but the main issue is, there is NO developer how will fix bugs when nb is
>> out of experimental. This has to be fixed first. If there is one dev how
>> care about upcoming bugs than nb can be out of experimental and than I be
>> motivated to finish the nb work, cause there is some work missing like nb
>> for draw.
>>
>> If you find a developer, let me know, than it would be a pleasure for me
>> to
>> work with her/him. It would be the right time to start now for 6.2
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andreas_k
>>
>> infinitytec  schrieb am Do., 13. Sep. 2018,
>> 00:23:
>>
>> > I agree.
>> > I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has
>> in
>> > 6.1.
>> >
>> > Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as
>> > default on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system,
>> like
>> > Colibre.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not
>> > understand it.*
>> > *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law*
>> >
>> >  Original message 
>> > From: Cor Nouws 
>> > Date: 9/12/18 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> > To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders <
>> > mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>
>> > Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
>> > Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design]
>> > Notebookbar   status for LibreOffice 6.1
>> >
>> > Hi Andreas, all,
>> >
>> > kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02:
>> >
>> > > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that
>> > they
>> > > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact
>> > view.
>> > > ...
>> >
>> > As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2
>> >
>> > It would support testing / visibility to already change that now.
>> > What do you think?
>> >
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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

We have to see if Kshitij has any interest in finishing the polishing of
the Tabbed bar. And what about Szymon Klos, Andreas? Would he be available?

As for the tabbed bar, there's still some improvements that I would like to
suggest in the general layout. Minor things.
And the other day I found a toolbar that was activated in the tabbed bar
that shouldn't be active.
And yes, chart editing is the big block right now.

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 5:43 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> Hi Cor
>
> There are two bugs that should be fixed first.
>
> 1. Keyboard navigation didn't work well
> 2. Chart module don't respect NB. Add an chart to writer and see the issue.
>
> but the main issue is, there is NO developer how will fix bugs when nb is
> out of experimental. This has to be fixed first. If there is one dev how
> care about upcoming bugs than nb can be out of experimental and than I be
> motivated to finish the nb work, cause there is some work missing like nb
> for draw.
>
> If you find a developer, let me know, than it would be a pleasure for me to
> work with her/him. It would be the right time to start now for 6.2
>
> Cheers
> Andreas_k
>
> infinitytec  schrieb am Do., 13. Sep. 2018, 00:23:
>
> > I agree.
> > I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has in
> > 6.1.
> >
> > Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as
> > default on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system,
> like
> > Colibre.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not
> > understand it.*
> > *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law*
> >
> >  Original message 
> > From: Cor Nouws 
> > Date: 9/12/18 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00)
> > To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders <
> > mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>
> > Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
> > Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design]
> > Notebookbar   status for LibreOffice 6.1
> >
> > Hi Andreas, all,
> >
> > kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02:
> >
> > > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that
> > they
> > > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact
> > view.
> > > ...
> >
> > As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2
> >
> > It would support testing / visibility to already change that now.
> > What do you think?
> >
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Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

Hi Cor

There are two bugs that should be fixed first.

1. Keyboard navigation didn't work well
2. Chart module don't respect NB. Add an chart to writer and see the issue.

but the main issue is, there is NO developer how will fix bugs when nb is
out of experimental. This has to be fixed first. If there is one dev how
care about upcoming bugs than nb can be out of experimental and than I be
motivated to finish the nb work, cause there is some work missing like nb
for draw.

If you find a developer, let me know, than it would be a pleasure for me to
work with her/him. It would be the right time to start now for 6.2

Cheers
Andreas_k

infinitytec  schrieb am Do., 13. Sep. 2018, 00:23:

> I agree.
> I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has in
> 6.1.
>
> Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as
> default on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system, like
> Colibre.
>
>
>
> *Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not
> understand it.*
> *-A variation on Clarke's Third Law*
>
>  Original message 
> From: Cor Nouws 
> Date: 9/12/18 3:57 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders <
> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>
> Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org
> Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design]
> Notebookbar   status for LibreOffice 6.1
>
> Hi Andreas, all,
>
> kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02:
>
> > Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that
> they
> > can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact
> view.
> > ...
>
> As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2
>
> It would support testing / visibility to already change that now.
> What do you think?
>
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[libreoffice-design] Re: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[infinitytec]

I agree.I have been really enjoying the polish that the tabbed Notebookbar has 
in 6.1.
Dare I even say it may be a good idea to have the tabbed notebookbar as default 
on Windows builds? It would better integrate with the system, like Colibre. 


Any sufficiently advanced technology is magic to those who do not understand 
it.-A variation on Clarke's Third Law
 Original message From: Cor Nouws  Date: 
9/12/18  3:57 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: "kainz.a" , Mike Saunders 
 Cc: design@global.libreoffice.org 
Subject: Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar
  status for LibreOffice 6.1 
Hi Andreas, all,

kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02:

> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they
> can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view.
> ...

As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2

It would support testing / visibility to already change that now.
What do you think?

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Notebookbar in LibreOffice 6.2 Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Andreas, all,

kainz.a wrote on 30-05-18 10:02:

> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they
> can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view.
> ...

As far as I've seen, all is still under experimental in master 6.2

It would support testing / visibility to already change that now.
What do you think?

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

Andreas, tomorrow and Friday I'll have some time so I'll provide you with
mockups to finish the really necessary work that we can do.

Since this is an UI issue, I believe that it can still be pushed on time
for 6.1, considering that feature freeze shouldn't affect some UI work,
correct?
As for the lack of devs: if we push this and users start issuing bug
reports, dev interest will also appear.

The deactivation of the toolbars should be done by someone with knowledge
to do that. Szymon Klos mentioned that he tried to do it but he didn't
manage to do it (if he's here maybe he can clear this, I'm recalling this
from memory so I might be saying something wrong).
Szymon Klos said in the Notebookbar Telegram channel that he was hoping
Ksithij Pathania would fix major issues. But I don't want to be
presumptuous to assume who will/should fix what.

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:34 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> Nr. 1 and 2 can I fix as fare as I know isn't it. So can you make a mockup
> Pedro and let's fix it.
>
> Excluding that the issue is that there is no dev available to do
> bugfixing. Hope the GSOC student can fix something but since now the output
> isn't high.
>
> Another question is, should we announce an feature where no dev is working
> on it?
>
> Cheers
> Andreas
>
> 2018-05-30 12:15 GMT+02:00 Pedro Rosmaninho :
>
>> There's very few blocker bugs frankly.
>> The main ones are:
>> 1 - Media (Audio and Video) toolbar still doesn't have a Tabbedbar and
>> Groupedbar eequivalent,
>> 2 - Chart editing toolbar also doesn't have a Tabbedbar and Groupedbar
>> equivalent (the commands that can be added to the Object editing
>> Tabbedbar/Groupedbar are mentioned here
>> )
>> 3 - After finishing those two issues, toolbars should be deactivated for
>> the Notebookbar so that they don't open below the Notebookbar UI -
>> inconsistent behaviour).
>>
>> Excluding that it's just minor issues that can quickly be solved.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 9:02 AM kainz.a  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that
>>> they
>>> can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact
>>> view.
>>>
>>> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's were tested with Colibre icon theme. All
>>> actions
>>> has an Icon, Icon + Label or Label only.
>>>
>>> For switch between different User Interfaces there is a Menu button on
>>> the
>>> top right. Tabbedbar has in addition on the top left an show menubar
>>> icon.
>>>
>>> Contextual Groups (called Heikobar) and Contextual Single didn't get an
>>> update.
>>> - Contextual Single should be removed from the build cause it's only an
>>> design study where many stuff is missing.
>>> - Contextual Groups need an update or should be turned off until it will
>>> be
>>> updated, cause if the menubar is turned off you can't switch the UI (you
>>> have to delate your profile or whatever). The problem is that it's the
>>> first in the list.
>>>
>>> Design wise Notebookbar waiting for testers. The problem is, that there
>>> are
>>> open bugs so the developers can't move the feature out of experimental.
>>>
>>> In a movie I would show the different idea behind tabbedbar (where your
>>> content is grouped in tabbs) and groupedbars (where all "main" content is
>>> always available and the rest in the drop dowm group label.
>>>
>>> User feedback is really needed!
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Andreas_K
>>>
>>> 2018-05-30 9:41 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
>>> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:
>>>
>>> > Hello!
>>> >
>>> > So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
>>> > we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
>>> > announcement, videos and other materials.
>>> >
>>> > How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
>>> > 6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
>>> > variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
>>> > that in the press release / video.
>>> >
>>> > Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
>>> > things to bear in mind are:
>>> >
>>> > 1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
>>> > 2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
>>> > mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
>>> > wrong one, and complain...
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> > --
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>>> > The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
>>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

Nr. 1 and 2 can I fix as fare as I know isn't it. So can you make a mockup
Pedro and let's fix it.

Excluding that the issue is that there is no dev available to do bugfixing.
Hope the GSOC student can fix something but since now the output isn't high.

Another question is, should we announce an feature where no dev is working
on it?

Cheers
Andreas

2018-05-30 12:15 GMT+02:00 Pedro Rosmaninho :

> There's very few blocker bugs frankly.
> The main ones are:
> 1 - Media (Audio and Video) toolbar still doesn't have a Tabbedbar and
> Groupedbar eequivalent,
> 2 - Chart editing toolbar also doesn't have a Tabbedbar and Groupedbar
> equivalent (the commands that can be added to the Object editing
> Tabbedbar/Groupedbar are mentioned here
> )
> 3 - After finishing those two issues, toolbars should be deactivated for
> the Notebookbar so that they don't open below the Notebookbar UI -
> inconsistent behaviour).
>
> Excluding that it's just minor issues that can quickly be solved.
>
>
> On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 9:02 AM kainz.a  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they
>> can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view.
>>
>> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's were tested with Colibre icon theme. All
>> actions
>> has an Icon, Icon + Label or Label only.
>>
>> For switch between different User Interfaces there is a Menu button on the
>> top right. Tabbedbar has in addition on the top left an show menubar icon.
>>
>> Contextual Groups (called Heikobar) and Contextual Single didn't get an
>> update.
>> - Contextual Single should be removed from the build cause it's only an
>> design study where many stuff is missing.
>> - Contextual Groups need an update or should be turned off until it will
>> be
>> updated, cause if the menubar is turned off you can't switch the UI (you
>> have to delate your profile or whatever). The problem is that it's the
>> first in the list.
>>
>> Design wise Notebookbar waiting for testers. The problem is, that there
>> are
>> open bugs so the developers can't move the feature out of experimental.
>>
>> In a movie I would show the different idea behind tabbedbar (where your
>> content is grouped in tabbs) and groupedbars (where all "main" content is
>> always available and the rest in the drop dowm group label.
>>
>> User feedback is really needed!
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andreas_K
>>
>> 2018-05-30 9:41 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
>> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:
>>
>> > Hello!
>> >
>> > So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
>> > we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
>> > announcement, videos and other materials.
>> >
>> > How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
>> > 6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
>> > variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
>> > that in the press release / video.
>> >
>> > Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
>> > things to bear in mind are:
>> >
>> > 1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
>> > 2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
>> > mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
>> > wrong one, and complain...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mike Saunders, Marketing & PR
>> > The Document Foundation, Kurfürstendamm 188, 10707 Berlin, DE
>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

There's very few blocker bugs frankly.
The main ones are:
1 - Media (Audio and Video) toolbar still doesn't have a Tabbedbar and
Groupedbar eequivalent,
2 - Chart editing toolbar also doesn't have a Tabbedbar and Groupedbar
equivalent (the commands that can be added to the Object editing
Tabbedbar/Groupedbar are mentioned here
)
3 - After finishing those two issues, toolbars should be deactivated for
the Notebookbar so that they don't open below the Notebookbar UI -
inconsistent behaviour).

Excluding that it's just minor issues that can quickly be solved.


On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 9:02 AM kainz.a  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they
> can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view.
>
> Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's were tested with Colibre icon theme. All actions
> has an Icon, Icon + Label or Label only.
>
> For switch between different User Interfaces there is a Menu button on the
> top right. Tabbedbar has in addition on the top left an show menubar icon.
>
> Contextual Groups (called Heikobar) and Contextual Single didn't get an
> update.
> - Contextual Single should be removed from the build cause it's only an
> design study where many stuff is missing.
> - Contextual Groups need an update or should be turned off until it will be
> updated, cause if the menubar is turned off you can't switch the UI (you
> have to delate your profile or whatever). The problem is that it's the
> first in the list.
>
> Design wise Notebookbar waiting for testers. The problem is, that there are
> open bugs so the developers can't move the feature out of experimental.
>
> In a movie I would show the different idea behind tabbedbar (where your
> content is grouped in tabbs) and groupedbars (where all "main" content is
> always available and the rest in the drop dowm group label.
>
> User feedback is really needed!
>
> Cheers
> Andreas_K
>
> 2018-05-30 9:41 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
> mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:
>
> > Hello!
> >
> > So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
> > we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
> > announcement, videos and other materials.
> >
> > How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
> > 6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
> > variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
> > that in the press release / video.
> >
> > Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
> > things to bear in mind are:
> >
> > 1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
> > 2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
> > mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
> > wrong one, and complain...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[kainz.a]

Hi,

Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's are ready. I already update the UI so that they
can be "released". Groupedbar and Tabbedbar has a full and a compact view.

Groupedbar and Tabbedbar's were tested with Colibre icon theme. All actions
has an Icon, Icon + Label or Label only.

For switch between different User Interfaces there is a Menu button on the
top right. Tabbedbar has in addition on the top left an show menubar icon.

Contextual Groups (called Heikobar) and Contextual Single didn't get an
update.
- Contextual Single should be removed from the build cause it's only an
design study where many stuff is missing.
- Contextual Groups need an update or should be turned off until it will be
updated, cause if the menubar is turned off you can't switch the UI (you
have to delate your profile or whatever). The problem is that it's the
first in the list.

Design wise Notebookbar waiting for testers. The problem is, that there are
open bugs so the developers can't move the feature out of experimental.

In a movie I would show the different idea behind tabbedbar (where your
content is grouped in tabbs) and groupedbars (where all "main" content is
always available and the rest in the drop dowm group label.

User feedback is really needed!

Cheers
Andreas_K

2018-05-30 9:41 GMT+02:00 Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org>:

> Hello!
>
> So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
> we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
> announcement, videos and other materials.
>
> How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
> 6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
> variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
> that in the press release / video.
>
> Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
> things to bear in mind are:
>
> 1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
> 2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
> mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
> wrong one, and complain...
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
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[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar status for LibreOffice 6.1

[Mike Saunders]

Hello!

So the release of LibreOffice 6.1 is still a couple of months away, but
we in the marketing community are starting to plan the release
announcement, videos and other materials.

How is the Notebookbar looking? I assume it'll still be experimental in
6.1? I recall someone (Andreas?) saying that one of the Notebookbar
variants is getting close to completion, however, so we could mention
that in the press release / video.

Indeed, I could make a separate video showing how to try it. The two
things to bear in mind are:

1) It must be easy to revert to the "normal" layout
2) If there are many different Notebookbar variants in the experimental
mode, we need to be careful that users don't accidentally enable the
wrong one, and complain...

Cheers,
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[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar complete minor bugs

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

Hey guys, congrats on a great launch. I installed 6.0 and enabled the
Notebookbar and changed to the Groupedbar Complete UI.

It has some minor bugs: I have my notebook (resolution 1366x768) connected
to a Full HD display using dual monitors.
In Calc, the Groupedbar complete does not adjust completely to the
resolution of my notebook display. It cuts the Menu, Tools and Help
options. In Impress and Writer this is not an issue.

The Notebookbar options are almost perfect to become full replacements to
the traditional UI options. Congrats. :)

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[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar still needed stuff

[kainz.a]

Needed stuff for the notebook toolbars to get this or similar solutions
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/12/Figure6.png

1. drop down arrow on the side or bottom
see paste icon http://imgur.com/0z7Xvhl
2. mixed tabs and action icon
see http://imgur.com/0z7Xvhl
3. Shrink
The Problem is that when you shrink the wide you can say priority-123
and the section was hiden and you see only an arrow.
this isn't optimal cause the user didn't know what the arrow is used for
(you didn't know what)
The solution could be to define a view for expand and one for shrink.
e.g. Expand show all Paragraph stuff and shrink only one. could be mixed
maybe with 4.
4. Button show an context-xxx thing
this could help also for expand things like in the solution mockup
Character >> or Paragraph >>
but also it would be an workaround for the tabs layout you have than
buttons for Edit, Format, ...
The behaviour should be click on the Character >> button and the
context-characterExtend section
(somewhere) right to the default Character stuff will shown.
Click on Format and the context-format section will be shown.
5. Icon and Text sizing
it would be really usefull when you shrink the size some actions show only
the icon
instead of icon and text this could help to have an layout for 800px and
2048px.
6. Notebookbar Background
now there is a white background instead of transparent
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103235
when this is solved I can make a firefox theme for LibreOffice
I'll played a lot in the past weeks with layouts and design in the
notebookbar and with this 6 things I'm really fare to find a really awesome
solution AND to give other developers and designers something they can use.
I'll post some screenshots if you need additional informations.

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[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar Buttons instead of Tabs

[kainz.a]

Hi,

would it be possible to have buttons that can open the context-xxx thing.
The "problem" is that when I have a context toolbar it is really awesome
but it would be nice to show the user what are the context toolbars AND to
save space it would be way easier to say if you want to insert something to
to the insert Button, ...

http://imgur.com/a/qcRYa

I know it's something like a tabbed toolbar, BUT at tabbed toolbares it's
not possible to mix between tabs and icons. As you see in the linked
pickture with the buttons it would be possible. In addition there are way
more posibilities if you can use a button to open the context toolbar than
tabs.

And it look better ;-) In the end I can make something like this
https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/12/Figure6.png

@eszka please help me.

thanks in advance
Andreas_K

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[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar

[Heiko Tietze]

Joint effort from marketing and design team will finally end today in
two articles about the Notebookbar. The design blog post is scheduled
for 2pm or so but available right now at
http://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/12/21/evolving-past-the-restrictions-of-toolbars/

Looking forward comments from the community.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar

[Cor Nouws]

Italo Vignoli wrote on 12-11-16 14:02:

> MUFFIN is the concept name for LibreOffice user interface:
> 
> My User Friendly & Flexible INterface
> 
> or
> 
> Multiple User Friendly & Flexible INterface
> 
> with a personal (Italo) preference for the first one, as it underlines
> the user freedom and the vendor independence.

Thanks for the explanation Italo!

Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar

[Italo Vignoli]

On 12/11/2016 11:50, Cor Nouws wrote:

> I've missed the discussion on this, so don't know what the status is.
> But the subject kept popping up now and then in my subconsciouses. Is it
> that MUFFIN is/was the idea for a name for the notebookbar? Or for the
> whole concept that allows maximum user freedom?

MUFFIN is the concept name for LibreOffice user interface:

My User Friendly & Flexible INterface

or

Multiple User Friendly & Flexible INterface

with a personal (Italo) preference for the first one, as it underlines
the user freedom and the vendor independence.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Italo, all,

Italo Vignoli wrote on 13-10-16 15:34:
> Actually, the concept name might be different from MUFFIN (an acronym
> for MUltiple Form Factor INterface). I am working on the topic, and we
> will discuss some alternatives soon with the design team.

I've missed the discussion on this, so don't know what the status is.
But the subject kept popping up now and then in my subconsciouses. Is it
that MUFFIN is/was the idea for a name for the notebookbar? Or for the
whole concept that allows maximum user freedom?
When thinking about the notebookbar, it's been hard for me to think of
Muffin as a proper name, from the first time that I saw it. It's only
now that I can explain why: UI elements, panels, bars in LibreOffice
have a descriptive, exact name. The Navigator isn't called JAPOF (Jump
to Any Part OF the File) .. to give an example.
But as name for the whole flexible concept, I think Muffin or alike is
great. For the Notebookbar.. Maybe Free Bar, or Main Bar, or .. ??

Anyway, I'll do a poll in my presentation at T-DOSE; look what the
audience comes up with ;)

Cheers,
Cor


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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar

[Italo Vignoli]

On 13/10/2016 18:02, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:
> So it's going to be introduced in 5.3 after all? I thought someone
> mentioned that it was going to be postponed because of bugs in bugzilla?

We still don't know how far we will go with the announcement, but the
feature will be available - even if classified as experimental - and we
must be ready with a rationale, a positioning and an announcement strategy.

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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar

[Pedro Rosmaninho]

So it's going to be introduced in 5.3 after all? I thought someone
mentioned that it was going to be postponed because of bugs in bugzilla?

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101249
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102062



On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 2:34 PM, Italo Vignoli 
wrote:

> Actually, the concept name might be different from MUFFIN (an acronym
> for MUltiple Form Factor INterface). I am working on the topic, and we
> will discuss some alternatives soon with the design team.
>
> On 13/10/2016 14:55, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > there are rumors about a great new feature upcoming in 5.3 - and we want
> to feed the hungry. The Notebookbar is going to be introduced and marketing
> wants to announce it as the MUFFIN concept. We believe this announcement
> would be perfectly accompanied by a UX blog post about the reasoning behind
> the layouts. And what's possible. So we created a draft for this blog post
> and would like to share it first. The posting is meant to be published
> together or directly after the marketing text.
> >
> > Primary site is GDoc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> 1gFXTIsZ29homC4vpOdx0s_a_n9fuiXp97Nq4zzu2QqU/edit#
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> >
> > Thanks in advance for commenting,
> > Heiko
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-design] Notebookbar

[Italo Vignoli]

Actually, the concept name might be different from MUFFIN (an acronym
for MUltiple Form Factor INterface). I am working on the topic, and we
will discuss some alternatives soon with the design team.

On 13/10/2016 14:55, Heiko Tietze wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> there are rumors about a great new feature upcoming in 5.3 - and we want to 
> feed the hungry. The Notebookbar is going to be introduced and marketing 
> wants to announce it as the MUFFIN concept. We believe this announcement 
> would be perfectly accompanied by a UX blog post about the reasoning behind 
> the layouts. And what's possible. So we created a draft for this blog post 
> and would like to share it first. The posting is meant to be published 
> together or directly after the marketing text. 
> 
> Primary site is GDoc: 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gFXTIsZ29homC4vpOdx0s_a_n9fuiXp97Nq4zzu2QqU/edit#
> Alternative Etherpad: http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/UX-Notebookbar
> 
> Thanks in advance for commenting,
> Heiko
> 


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[libreoffice-design] Notebookbar

[Heiko Tietze]

Hello all,

there are rumors about a great new feature upcoming in 5.3 - and we want to 
feed the hungry. The Notebookbar is going to be introduced and marketing wants 
to announce it as the MUFFIN concept. We believe this announcement would be 
perfectly accompanied by a UX blog post about the reasoning behind the layouts. 
And what's possible. So we created a draft for this blog post and would like to 
share it first. The posting is meant to be published together or directly after 
the marketing text. 

Primary site is GDoc: 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gFXTIsZ29homC4vpOdx0s_a_n9fuiXp97Nq4zzu2QqU/edit#
Alternative Etherpad: http://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/UX-Notebookbar

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