Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
Hi Bernhard, all, Am Mittwoch, 12. Januar 2011, 00:15:53 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: yesterday, I talked about switching the colors for the icons ... to avoid the very dark look and the need to adapt the symbolism as well (color wise). If the color switch works for small icons too (didn't try yet), this would be a good approach to include most of the comments, so I'd use it even for the first final version. Sorry, Bjï¿œrn, but inversion would mean to manually modify most of the gradients, so I think we should leave this way to further improvements. I totaly agree with the proposed solution. I like it! Best, Björn -- www.OpenSource-Usability-Labs.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
Hi Christoph, all, Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi all, yesterday, I talked about switching the colors for the icons ... to avoid the very dark look and the need to adapt the symbolism as well (color wise). If the color switch works for small icons too (didn't try yet), this would be a good approach to include most of the comments, so I'd use it even for the first final version. Sorry, Björn, but inversion would mean to manually modify most of the gradients, so I think we should leave this way to further improvements. Here is a proposal how this might look (more infos in my mail extract below): http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/jPBDbVBChJRlcffnE6lm7Q?feat=directlink Cheers, Christoph Am Montag, den 10.01.2011, 23:22 +0100 schrieb Christoph Noack: I think t1 is perfect the way it was originally. Just drop the binder and reinstate the grey left-inner-border (t1B) and it's a perfect document icon. So, question - to combine the requests by Björn, the quick draft by Bernhard and your ideas. Would it help to ... * use t1B as the document icon * use d1 plus binder as the template icon Advantages: * The template icon looks significantly different (color) * We can keep the color of the symbolism (e.g. color of the landscape picture) without loosing contrast * Effort for the changes is rather low Disadvantage: The application icons will look more like document, but this is okay to me. First step, I'd say :-) No problem for me at the moment, I think. Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
Hi Bernhard! Am Mittwoch, den 12.01.2011, 00:15 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: yesterday, I talked about switching the colors for the icons ... to avoid the very dark look and the need to adapt the symbolism as well (color wise). If the color switch works for small icons too (didn't try yet), this would be a good approach to include most of the comments, so I'd use it even for the first final version. A made in (maybe less than) 5mins test is here: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Lebbhpg4s22Bux5cmNH0Qg?feat=directlink Good night! :-) Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
HI Christoph, * Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Bernhard! Am Mittwoch, den 12.01.2011, 00:15 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: yesterday, I talked about switching the colors for the icons ... to avoid the very dark look and the need to adapt the symbolism as well (color wise). If the color switch works for small icons too (didn't try yet), this would be a good approach to include most of the comments, so I'd use it even for the first final version. A made in (maybe less than) 5mins test is here: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Lebbhpg4s22Bux5cmNH0Qg?feat=directlink Thanks! Bernhard PS: Can you provide the source for the switched icons? So everybody can work on the same basis without the need for another change... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
Hi Björn, hi Bernhard, all! Cool to see some discussions happen here :-) Am Montag, den 10.01.2011, 18:43 +0100 schrieb Björn Balazs: [...] I tried to do a quick draft of what you suggested (it's quite quick and very dirty if you would have a look at the source), inverting the interior area of the template icons, but I kept the rip-off metaphor too: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Writer_template_inverted.png [...] For reference the link to Christoph's icons: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7HzXZAAAGWFfgU0XzayU8Q?feat=directlink [...] I think both proposals have their advantages - the inverted icons look quite dark, but are easier to differ from the document icons. Perhaps it is possible to increase brightness / decreas saturation of the icons to have them both approximately in the same darkness? I don't know if they really follow the general visual language of the other icons... What do you think? Mmh, I also played a bit with the source of the graphics, because there are some issues that I'm not comfortable with. But I wasn't able to (qickly) address these issues in a visually pleasing way: * The rip-off section, which looks (on the dark background) really strange. But you've mentioned that it is a quick draft, of course. * The very dark color of the template icons that seems to be very different to the rest of the LibreOffice stuff that got created until now [1]. But of course, if there are good reasons ... and artistic freedom as well. * The picture seems to be inverted / changed in color, too. To me, it now looks like a negative film that doesn't really fit in my point-of-view. Having in mind Nik's proposals concerning much lighter icons, it seems that there is no easy decision ... but also having in mind that we need some more icons, there is no need for a decision right at the moment ;-) Cheers, Christoph [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Branding -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
Hi Nik! Am Dienstag, den 11.01.2011, 01:00 +1100 schrieb Nik: [...] I'm just sorry my contributions lately have been all talk and no graphics. Talk is cheap. Sometimes it is not ... without that talk and the feedback by Ivan, Björn, Bernhard and who else, there wouldn't be that much progress. And, because it would be just great - is there any change that you can join our effort. I know that you have been busy, but I don't know whether your workload is back to normal again ... Don't feel any pressure, I still think our project would greatly benefit :-) On 1/10/2011 10:23 AM, Christoph Noack wrote: [...] I think the lighter interior is an improvement and I _would_ recommend switching the icons so that the current template icons serve as document icons. It is hard to explain in just words, so please refer to this image I hacked together to help explain; http://tdf.nikashsingh.com/misc/christophicon.jpg Thanks for the graphics ... and I got tricked ;-) I felt superior by using a common gradient for all the icons, but now the template document got also changed by removing some transparency. Of course, I intended to be t2 like t1 (it somehow feels like talking about the Terminators). [...] I think t1 is perfect the way it was originally. Just drop the binder and reinstate the grey left-inner-border (t1B) and it's a perfect document icon. So, question - to combine the requests by Björn, the quick draft by Bernhard and your ideas. Would it help to ... * use t1B as the document icon * use d1 plus binder as the template icon Advantages: * The template icon looks significantly different (color) * We can keep the color of the symbolism (e.g. color of the landscape picture) without loosing contrast * Effort for the changes is rather low Disadvantage: The application icons will look more like document, but this is okay to me. First step, I'd say :-) [...] And Bernhard, I think your proposal to complete the icons in their current form is most reasonable. There will be a chance to address these small issues down the track, like you mentioned, and I think Lib/O deserves non-OOo icons! =) +1 to your icon finalisation agenda ;-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
Hi Jaron, * thanks for your comments! Jaron Kuppers schrieb: Hi Bernhard, I think the large 3D binder spirals are too prominent. They distract me from the document and seem to over-shadow the components of the LibreOffice logo. The holes are not prominent enough... That's what I thought too. I am not able to try my hand at anything at the moment but I would recommend you try horizontal binders, similar to the small icon. Perhaps a gradient can give the binders a 3D ring effect. Do you mean comb binders (finally found after some googling...)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Comb_bind_step4.JPG They might be less prominent, but still recognizable. Some spiral bindings might be worth looking at too, especially if the spirals are less prominent than the holes. Something like this: http://www.tradehouse.co.za/images/printingservices/printingservices05.jpg I'd like to see a more detailed image for larger versions, but still stylized like all our branding material. If anybody has the time to volunteer for a first draft of one or another binder image (sorry, Jaron, that you can't :-( ), this would be great! Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
Hi Bernhard, hi all! I got stuck in another discussion on the dev mailing lists (*), so I miss to show any progress. But, I've continued to work on the icons as well and try to show something during tomorrow ... Am Mittwoch, den 05.01.2011, 00:23 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: I am not able to try my hand at anything at the moment but I would recommend you try horizontal binders, similar to the small icon. Perhaps a gradient can give the binders a 3D ring effect. Do you mean comb binders (finally found after some googling...)? Mmh, just a small question concerning the comb binders - I think the more important thing is the tear-off edge. The binder makes a book, the tear-off edge makes the templates ... at least this would be my understanding concerning the templates metaphor. Well, there is some time to think about it ... tomorrow :-) Cheers, Christoph (*) Just to mention that, there are also some quite interesting threads on the dev mailing list. Sometimes - so it seems to me - those discussions can benefit from some Design Team input. For those interested, please join there as well ... -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
Hi Bernhard, I think the large 3D binder spirals are too prominent. They distract me from the document and seem to over-shadow the components of the LibreOffice logo. The holes are not prominent enough... I am not able to try my hand at anything at the moment but I would recommend you try horizontal binders, similar to the small icon. Perhaps a gradient can give the binders a 3D ring effect. Horizontal binders might give us some freedom to find that happy medium between too big and too small. The Goldilocks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Story_of_the_Three_Bears size. :-) Happy new year everyone! Cheers, Jaron On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:07 PM, Bernhard Dippold bernh...@familie-dippold.at wrote: Hi all, Christoph, replying to this mail, because we discussed here the template symbols... Christoph Noack schrieb: [...] * Template icons now feature some college block binding I like these binders, they have to be created in detail for the larger icons. For the small 16px icons I prefer Jaron's smaller binding because they seem to be a bit better to discriminate. I will have a look at it, again. I tried to create some binders for the large detailed icons: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Writer_template_spiral_binding.png I'm not really satisfied with them: The upper version (a) with binding spiral adds some 3D-effect that is not present in the document icons. The binding spiral is very prominent. The lower version (b) shows only the holes, but they are very similar to the surrounding grey sheet. Perhaps there might be a solution in-between, but I'd like to ask you before I go on: What do you think should be the way to go? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.orgdesign%2bh...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] MimeType icons - template
Hi all, Christoph, replying to this mail, because we discussed here the template symbols... Christoph Noack schrieb: [...] * Template icons now feature some college block binding I like these binders, they have to be created in detail for the larger icons. For the small 16px icons I prefer Jaron's smaller binding because they seem to be a bit better to discriminate. I will have a look at it, again. I tried to create some binders for the large detailed icons: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Writer_template_spiral_binding.png I'm not really satisfied with them: The upper version (a) with binding spiral adds some 3D-effect that is not present in the document icons. The binding spiral is very prominent. The lower version (b) shows only the holes, but they are very similar to the surrounding grey sheet. Perhaps there might be a solution in-between, but I'd like to ask you before I go on: What do you think should be the way to go? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
