Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Ivan, Bernhard, all! Am Montag, den 29.11.2010, 00:10 +1300 schrieb Ivan M.: > Hi Bernhard, Christoph, all, > > This is a little late, but when putting things into practice, small > details come up. Isn't that usual? ;-) > First, the good part: I managed to get some headway in Inkscape and > create basic designs for 16x16 and 32x32 document icons that are > pixel-perfect (the preview image doesn't show this) [1]. Cool, thanks! > They're missing the application icons > [...] > I'll leave that for someone more skilled. [in Inkscape] Hey, I'm more than happy that you changed the tool in order to improve our collaboration :-) And, I think there will be some more minor iterations, so the application icons might wait (a second, or two). > Now, the ambiguous part: working with the color pallet at [2], I found > some small points of possible improvement. [...] > That doesn't mean I propose we use these colors, but > rather that we make small adjustments to the existing color table. It > would be ideal if we could use the same corresponding colors from each > set of colors (i.e. use Blue 1 for the Writer icon where Green 1 is > used in the Calc icon...) Yep, of course. Although I did some designs in advance, I noticed this for the icons as well. Although I had hoped to have some final colors to enable the guys who (might have started) the marketing material, slight changes might be possible. Now the good message from my side: Since we do have this weird Calc table [1] for creating the palettes, the is not that much hazzle. > I will comment on Bernhard's design tomorrow - hopefully what I just > wrote makes some sense :) Well, I also added some icons to the wiki - to be viewed in Inkscape, please. Although there are pixel-perfect, the remaining stuff is more pixel than perfect (color gradient issues, unnecessarily stacked objects, ...). Personally, I still don't like them that much, but it should work. Since some of us talked about to keep the "TDF Document Symbol" as clean as possible, I went back to use the old metaphor with the "dog-ear" edge. Okay, here they are: [2]. Some organizational stuff ... Today, I've asked concerning the MIME type icons for the LibO 3.3 release within the SC phone conference [3]. Although we need to wait a bit longer for the minutes, here is the (hopefully) essential information: * Technically, a release is possible at the end of December, but people think that this might not be the best time (Christmas), thus early January will be targeted. * Changing the icons is possible and the chance for introducing "regressions" seems rather low. But, ... * People might have started to create marketing material (screenshots etc.). Thus, they might rely on a stable version that does not change during the next weeks. Thus, the changes are not that bad, or? Personally, I do think that a visually pleasing and consistent release might be more important than some screenshots that might differ a bit. So, what if we want to work on that? I had a look at the OOo pages concerning the ODF icons. They do have a good document covering the file types and the icons [4] - I hope that helps to ensure completeness on our side. Bernhard, Ivan, all! Thanks for your great work to make LibO 3.3 not only an unique, but a truly great release ;-) Cheers, Christoph [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources_3 [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding/Mimetype_Icons/Proposals#Christoph [3] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Agenda_2010-11-28 [4] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/images/0/0c/Oo-filedlg-filetypes.odt -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Bernhard, Christoph, all, This is a little late, but when putting things into practice, small details come up. First, the good part: I managed to get some headway in Inkscape and create basic designs for 16x16 and 32x32 document icons that are pixel-perfect (the preview image doesn't show this) [1]. They're missing the application icons - I tried to adapt existing ones from my own designs and Bernhard's designs, but in order to be pixel-perfect, they have to be drawn specially for smaller icon sizes, otherwise there is quite a lot of distortion, particularly at 16x16. Since I'm no good at manipulating objects in Inkscape, I'll leave that for someone more skilled. Now, the ambiguous part: working with the color pallet at [2], I found some small points of possible improvement. Mostly that applies to perceived lightness of colors (which, in my experience, is not always equivalent to the actual luminosity value in the HSL color model). For example, Green 4 appears much lighter than Blue 4, so that a gradient that goes from Green 4 to Green 3 appears more distinct than a gradient that goes from Blue 4 to Blue 3. At the same time, a gradient from Blue 2 to Blue 1 appears darker than a gradient going from Green 2 to Green 1 - try it out and let me know if you see it that way too. Based on this, I created a reference image [3] that (for me at least) had the greatest apparent consistency between designs. It's imperfect, but out of all the possible combinations, this worked best subjectively. That doesn't mean I propose we use these colors, but rather that we make small adjustments to the existing color table. It would be ideal if we could use the same corresponding colors from each set of colors (i.e. use Blue 1 for the Writer icon where Green 1 is used in the Calc icon...) I will comment on Bernhard's design tomorrow - hopefully what I just wrote makes some sense :) Regards, Ivan. [1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:IvanIconDraft.svg [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Color_Table [3] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/cgi_img_auth.php/9/9d/IvanIconDraftReference.png -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Ivan, hi Bernhard! Just an "argh", since I just read your message. Yesterday, I visited some frieds, today I fiddled around with MythTV and a huge stack of organization stuff (that has been pushed forward some weeks). And to avoid LibO distraction, I didn't even touch the keyboard :-) So sorry for having not noticed your mail (besides any timezone issue). Am Samstag, den 27.11.2010, 21:07 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > Will be working on the next icons during the next hours... By the way, if something is really important, ping anybody within the TDF or Bernhard. They can easily get in touch with me via phone... Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Sorry Ivan, timeshift problem... I just updated my SVG with a first version of a Writer icon: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Template_icon_draft.svg Will be working on the next icons during the next hours... Best Bernhard Ivan M. schrieb: Hi Bernhard, Christoph, On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: Ivan M. schrieb: Hi Christoph, Bernhard, all, I wonder if we could work together some time over a few hours on something like IRC - at least initially. I will be online tomorrow from around 9pm your time (CET), so if you happen to be free, reply to this thread with the mode of communication you prefer, or a different time that suits you. I'll try to be at IRC. Aargh, my bad. I got the time right, but I got the date wrong (I was hoping for a reply 24 hours ago)! I will be out most of the day today - I was just about to leave and I saw this. I'll try to do some more work on this and upload a file tonight (that will be early Sunday morning for you) - use this opportunity to catch up on your sleep :) Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Bernhard, Christoph, On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Ivan M. schrieb: >> >> Hi Christoph, Bernhard, all, >> >> I wonder if we could work together some time over a few hours on >> something like IRC - at least initially. I will be online tomorrow >> from around 9pm your time (CET), so if you happen to be free, reply to >> this thread with the mode of communication you prefer, or a different >> time that suits you. > > I'll try to be at IRC. Aargh, my bad. I got the time right, but I got the date wrong (I was hoping for a reply 24 hours ago)! I will be out most of the day today - I was just about to leave and I saw this. I'll try to do some more work on this and upload a file tonight (that will be early Sunday morning for you) - use this opportunity to catch up on your sleep :) Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Ivan M. schrieb: Hi Christoph, Bernhard, all, I wonder if we could work together some time over a few hours on something like IRC - at least initially. I will be online tomorrow from around 9pm your time (CET), so if you happen to be free, reply to this thread with the mode of communication you prefer, or a different time that suits you. I'll try to be at IRC. Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Le 2010-11-26 04:51, Ivan M. a écrit : Hi Christoph, Bernhard, all, I wonder if we could work together some time over a few hours on something like IRC - at least initially. I will be online tomorrow from around 9pm your time (CET), so if you happen to be free, reply to this thread with the mode of communication you prefer, or a different time that suits you. I, for one, am not very experienced with Inkscape so it would be useful to swap files between each other as we work on them - of course anyone interested is welcome to join and we can keep the list updated with all progress. Regards, Ivan. You may want to arrange for a dedicated irc channel. It would probably be more efficient and won' t confuse other members on the main LO irc channel. If the channel is always available then, at the very least, will give the design team members channel access to work with. Marc -- Marc Paré http://www.parEntreprise.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Christoph, Bernhard, all, I wonder if we could work together some time over a few hours on something like IRC - at least initially. I will be online tomorrow from around 9pm your time (CET), so if you happen to be free, reply to this thread with the mode of communication you prefer, or a different time that suits you. I, for one, am not very experienced with Inkscape so it would be useful to swap files between each other as we work on them - of course anyone interested is welcome to join and we can keep the list updated with all progress. Regards, Ivan. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Christoph, Christoph Noack schrieb: Hi Bernhard, I already decided to go to bed ... so just a few thoughts. Me too ;-) Am Donnerstag, den 25.11.2010, 23:03 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: Ivan, Christoph, everybody else: Do you have an other / better proposal we can agree upon during the next hours ? You proposals look fine for me. But, do we really need additional colors for less used applications / files like Math, Macros, HTML, Global Documents, ... Wouldn't it be better to use a neutral gray (and only for those icons)? As Math seems to be an independent application (with it's own file extension) I thought it would be necessary. Same for Chart documents. But these thoughts derive from the Galaxy icons - I don't mind at all, if we stay grey/neutral with all of the less used icons. In contrast to the ODF approach, this would even help to better identify the "real" documents. And, it would also reduce the amount of initial work to be spent. The only question to me is, whether we want to use the "original" Document Symbol for that. The branding guidelines currently state to not modify the document symbol - so maybe changing the "edge" back to mimic a default icon? The "empty corner" idea was only meant for template icons - document and application icons should have the "filled corner" as the default icons. I thought it would be an easy approach to differentiate between documents and templates while keeping the branding language. But you might be right that this could be regarded as "allowed modification to the symbol" for other use-cases too. I'm indecisive at the moment - it depends on how we modify the main part of the icons... And of course: Thank you both! It seems that you both don't need any sleep ;-) I definitely do! Good night! Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Hi Bernhard, I already decided to go to bed ... so just a few thoughts. Am Donnerstag, den 25.11.2010, 23:03 +0100 schrieb Bernhard Dippold: > Ivan, Christoph, everybody else: Do you have an other / better > proposal we can agree upon during the next hours ? You proposals look fine for me. But, do we really need additional colors for less used applications / files like Math, Macros, HTML, Global Documents, ... Wouldn't it be better to use a neutral gray (and only for those icons)? In contrast to the ODF approach, this would even help to better identify the "real" documents. And, it would also reduce the amount of initial work to be spent. The only question to me is, whether we want to use the "original" Document Symbol for that. The branding guidelines currently state to not modify the document symbol - so maybe changing the "edge" back to mimic a default icon? And of course: Thank you both! It seems that you both don't need any sleep ;-) Good night! Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [libreoffice-design] Re: Initial icon design [was: Product Artwork]
Going to bed now - if anybody wants to use what I started to work on, here is the SVG source file: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:Bedipp/Drafts Bernhard Dippold schrieb: [...] As an easy approach I'd just remove the filling of the colored corner for templates. That's what I did by now - and used the present branding colors, added Blue3 for Math and a dark green for Chart documents/templates. I imagine some kind of inverted filling of the icons (becoming lighter in general) - perhaps with inverted symbols too... Fell free to use my work as a basis for yours, or Ivan's (if he could share his sources - I don't want to recreate the symbols being simple and recognizable). We should have a basic design tomorrow or at least on Saturday in order to create the different sizes (and perhaps high contrast icons too). Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to design+h...@libreoffice.org List archive: http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
