[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
+1 Rachel Unity users want different things here. Beyond, I think Unity developers want different things here too, because Ayatana Design has Fix Committed, but it can't get the other projects to have Fix Committed too, so it looks like the other projects are disagreeing with Ayatana Design. Gnome Shell has https://extensions.gnome.org/ An extension ecosystem is gold. Gnome Shell doesn't realize it has gold, so isn't shipped with extension support and doesn't make the extension support package visible. The Gnome Shell extension ecosystem was created and published by Gnome Shell community developers. I remember a rich friend saying in Russia, people had one shoe size for all. People would go to Ubuntu Software Center, click Ubuntu Extensions, view global menu options and click install in the same row or view LIM in a row and click Install in the same row. You wouldn't have to worry about giving us one shoe size. What do you think? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
On 15/09/2012 22:06, Aleve Sicofante wrote: what to do when the window gets narrower than the menu... - Whatever has been done for 20+ years with the classic menu bar in the window. This is not a new problem. i think they word-wrap onto additional lines, on windows at least. that's going to be pretty in the titlebar! But we're way off-topic with that here... -- Rachel -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
[x] option to show the damn global menu all the time i believe that was the original complaint here; recently there's been all these other options thrown in like someone *wanted* to muddy the issue. LIM fwiw is a cute variation on the theme of having the menu on the window, but which is just going to introduce more difficult design decisions that kicks everything further down the road (what to do about important window-title text especially if there's a no-autohide option, what to do when the window gets narrower than the menu...) to which the answers are going to be, in short, complex behaviour and clutter. We just wanted the menu to not auto-hide. How can that be taking *years*? Time is not silencing the argument here! And there's little point in repeating this isn't a place to vote when there *isn't* a place to vote. So we'll continue to say it here, so it's recorded, somewhere. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
fwiw i'd also say that for consistency's sake leave the default as-is - not least for the reviews, where you'd have a choice between They changed the way menus work *again* and While the default menu behaviour remains the same as before, there are now some user- configurable options to answer long-held criticisms. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Woo there Kenny !! don't go bunkers! they are working on that and should land soon. :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
@Rachel Greenham: I couldn't agree more with you. We need to solve one single issue first: show the global menu all the time, then proceed with caution for any other options. Just a few comments/suggestion on the main and secondary issues: - Showing global menu permanently will hide the title of the window. I'd suggest it to be shown whenever the mouse goes to the top of the screen anywhere where there's no menu: for instance, the top-left corner. Throwing the mouse there will do two things: show the title and position the mouse over the close-window button. But throwing the mouse to the top of the screen to the right of the menu (maybe including the indicators area), will reveal the window title. Regarding LIMs: what to do about important window-title text especially if there's a no-autohide option - A similar aproach to what I suggested above: reveal the window title whenever the mouse is over non-menu areas (and of course by pushing a certain key, such as Shift, Ctrl, Alt, etc.) what to do when the window gets narrower than the menu... - Whatever has been done for 20+ years with the classic menu bar in the window. This is not a new problem. The problem I can see arising with menus on the title-bar is how to grab the window for moving it around. But AGAIN: the primary concern NOW is having the global menu permanently visible. It's a serious usability issue that needs urgent attention. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Why is solving this issue so hard? Why cannot the developer give user configuration options? JUST GIVE US AN OPTION TO SHOW THE DAMN GLOBAL MENU ALL THE TIME! Novice Designer Mistakes Changing shit for the sake of changing it. Hiding necessary elements for a minimalist look aka sacrificing usability for looks. Failing to understand that a cohesive design and user experience is more important than a group of diverse customized designs and experiences clumped together. Falling in love with your design and not letting anyone experience it in a way that is different from your vision (aka customizing it) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Development stopped, because there are lots of ***disagreements*** between us all. There were three alternatives. [] global menu on [] global menu off [] global menu only on maximized windows We came up with new alternatives. [] mockup 1 [] mockup 2 [] LIM we need to: - vote on the new alternatives / mockups until 100 votes - count votes - ***decide*** the lead alternative The Ubuntu Community must pressure the Ubuntu team a lot to get the lead alternative implemented. By the way, here is my vote: [x] LIM -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Disagreement can be solved by having configuration options. Only the default must be agreed upon (or decided by Canonical). If even that is hard, the user could be asked at first login. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
What I do not understand is that the official design decision has been made by the Ayatana team (John Lea). So I do not see why the disagreements should stop the development. Besides can't the final decision be made after user testing this like in other situations? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Oh shit, how this simple issue might be so complex? Please provide a way to have local menus for apps like terminals and stop copycat Apple shitty approaches. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
2012/9/13 Pedro Bessa 682...@bugs.launchpad.net Development stopped, because there are lots of ***disagreements*** between us all. There were three alternatives. [] global menu on [] global menu off [] global menu only on maximized windows We came up with new alternatives. [] mockup 1 [] mockup 2 [] LIM we need to: - vote on the new alternatives / mockups until 100 votes - count votes - ***decide*** the lead alternative The Ubuntu Community must pressure the Ubuntu team a lot to get the lead alternative implemented. By the way, here is my vote: [x] LIM 1. Where are the mockups 1 and 2? 2. Where do we vote? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
[] mockup 1 - http://imageshack.us/f/837/screenshotdesktop.png/ and http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-mockup-menu-integrated-in-window.html [] mockup 2 - http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-mockup-menu-integrated-in-window.html and http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com/gallery/29691776 http://anaershadowynomaly.deviantart.com/gallery/29691776#/d3dygwc [] LIM - http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/oxygen-appmenu-replace-menu-with.html http://minus.com/lbq3ka2PRj4EKV and http://madjunir.deviantart.com/art/ubuntu-menu-button-un-maximized-windows-273062518 https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg08710.html to vote for LIM, write [x] LIM, then click Post Comment we need a decision -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/02/unity-mockup-menu-integrated-in- window.html has two pictures, mockup 2, then mockup 1 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
[x] LIM all the way -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
vooote! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
[x] mockup 2 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
@ Pedro Bessa Do you have anything to back up Development stopped .. other than YOU just stating that? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Voting is useless, I do not think this is how Ubuntu developement works. Also, if you read the bug description, the solution has been decided already (LIM, whatever you think about it). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Pedro, are you a developer? If not who is your source? Look at how much attention this bug has. The ridiculous part is how the Canonical developers handle this whole situation, it is really a public relations and community involvement disaster. First they promise that they will integrate LIMs. Then there is silence for a while, but everybody is expecting something. Then there is even more silence, and no response whatsoever. If the feature gets delayed that is okay. But then they should say so, since people are looking forward to this feature (and others!) and have high hopes. The developers really should become a bit more open towards the community. People will step back from involvement if treated like this. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Please, this is not a poll system, its a bug tracker. The decision was already taken (see bug description). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
@ Doug no @Ingo I don't have a source. :-( -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
I'm really confused. LIM and those two mockups have NOTHING to do with how the global menu behaves or the original description of the Enhanced Menu project (described in the Desired change section of the description). How is it a solution to the VERY SERIOUS ISSUE that the global menu hides, making it hard to understand and use? (Three hours on the phone with my very old mum yesterday, trying to make her understand that there was a menu at the top and that he had to go up there to close the window too). LIM and other integrated menus tackle a completely different issue, that is PART of the problem (menus global or not) but not the other part of the problem (global menu hidden or a la OS X). Shuttleworth (and if I'm not mistaken John Lea as well) were describing a solution that included a permanently visible menu many months ago. What happened to that? Will the only solution be the Unity-Revamped third party collection of patches? (Thanks Isaac) Please Mr. Lea or Mr. Shuttleworth, be so kind to chime in and clear this up. I just don't understand the silence. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
** Changed in: unity Milestone: backlog = None -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
The App Menu should be in the Title Bar. When the window is maximized the Title Bar is merged with the panel so the App Menu would naturally be merged with the panel. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
** Description changed: ===+++ _ ! ALL USERS ! _ +++=== ===+++ READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT OR MODIFICATION +++=== IMPORTANT 1: Please don't post any me too message; use the Does this bug affect you? feature you can find a bit above this bug description on Launchpad. IMPORTANT 2: Do not post anything if you haven't read all comments to verify that your point hasn't been made. If you feel tempted to stop reading because there are too many messages, that is a strong indicator that you shouldn't add even more comments. Developers have a tough time to find anything if you post redundant stuff. So please abstain from doing that. - = Global menu in general (not only in Unity) is very unergonomic on large screens (see the attached screenshot) because if you have a small window somewhere near the low right corner you have to move the cursor all the way up to to panel to reach the menu. I understand why the global menu was used for the netbook edition (it saves space and most windows are maximized), but since Unity is intended to be for the desktop edition there should be an option to switch to the traditional position of the app menu. It would be welcomed by many desktop users. A commonly suggested solution is: [ ] Global Menu on [ ] Global Menu off [ ] Global Menu only for maximized windows The default is usually suggested as either the first (on) or last (on only for maximized windows). - Desired change: Implement the 'Enhanced Menu' project for 12.10. This project will address the issue described in this bug and also issues described in the duplicates of this bus. Note this is the 'official' bug that tracks the implementation of this project. The following options will be added to 'System Settings/Appearance': --- Menus Location:Global/Local Visibility: Hidden/Always displayed --- - - More details to follow during the 12.10 cycle... ;-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Why do you not want to inform us about the status of this project? Is it necessary to be secretive about this? Asking since you removed the line - More details to follow during the 12.10 cycle... ;-) If it won't make it into 12.10 that's fine, but many users would appreciate it if you would just say that then. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Thanks, but I'm expecting global menu options, not the LIM. you know: [x] Global Menu on [x] Global Menu off [x] Global Menu only for maximized windows We had been promised some of this would land on Precise. I understand it couldn't make it, but hoped it would be in Quantal. Can any Ubuntu developer please chime in and give us an idea of what's the status of this and if we can expect any of those options to be available in Quantal? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Do the following instructions work in your computers? http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/03/how-to-install-new-locally-integrated.html -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Just tested Quantal's daily build and there doesn't seem to be any changes from Precise. Will this be ready for feature freeze? I checked at Settings-Appearance-Behavior, maybe the configuration is somewhere else? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
** Changed in: unity Assignee: chisagoci...@hotmail.com (chisagocity9) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
** Changed in: unity Assignee: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) (3v1n0) = chisagoci...@hotmail.com (chisagocity9) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
** No longer affects: compiz-core ** Changed in: unity Status: In Progress = Triaged ** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Triaged ** Changed in: compiz Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Status: In Progress = Triaged ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = High ** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu) Status: Fix Released = Triaged ** Changed in: compiz (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided = High -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
@uday: Please don't change this bug without explanation. @Ingo: Posting to Aytana mailing lists is waste of time as community engagement is broken (see bug 882274). ** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Assignee: uday (udaybsc) = (unassigned) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
** Description changed: - Global menu in general (not only in Unity) is very unergonomic on large - screens (see the attached screenshot) because if you have a small window - somewhere near the low right corner you have to move the cursor all the - way up to to panel to reach the menu. I understand why the global menu - was used for the netbook edition (it saves space and most windows are - maximized), but since Unity is intended to be for the desktop edition - there should be an option to switch to the traditional position of the - app menu. It would be welcomed by many desktop users. + ===+++ _ ! ALL USERS ! _ +++=== + ===+++ READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT OR MODIFICATION +++=== + + IMPORTANT 1: Please don't post any me too message; use the Does this + bug affect you? feature you can find a bit above this bug description + on Launchpad. + + IMPORTANT 2: Do not post anything if you haven't read all comments to + verify that your point hasn't been made. If you feel tempted to stop + reading because there are too many messages, that is a strong indicator + that you shouldn't add even more comments. Developers have a tough time + to find anything if you post redundant stuff. So please abstain from + doing that. + + + = + Global menu in general (not only in Unity) is very unergonomic on large screens (see the attached screenshot) because if you have a small window somewhere near the low right corner you have to move the cursor all the way up to to panel to reach the menu. I understand why the global menu was used for the netbook edition (it saves space and most windows are maximized), but since Unity is intended to be for the desktop edition there should be an option to switch to the traditional position of the app menu. It would be welcomed by many desktop users. A commonly suggested solution is: [ ] Global Menu on [ ] Global Menu off [ ] Global Menu only for maximized windows The default is usually suggested as either the first (on) or last (on only for maximized windows). - Desired change: Implement the 'Enhanced Menu' project for 12.10. This project will address the issue described in this bug and also issues described in the duplicates of this bus. Note this is the 'official' bug that tracks the implementation of this project. The following options will be added to 'System Settings/Appearance': --- Menus Location:Global/Local Visibility: Hidden/Always displayed --- More details to follow during the 12.10 cycle... ;-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
** Changed in: metacity (Ubuntu) Assignee: (unassigned) = uday (udaybsc) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
those whose other machines are Windows, or just came from earlier versions of Gnome, want menus attached to the windows, I've come from Gnome Windows and I've never used a Mac. I'm quite open to the Mac way of doing things, just aslong as it's done correctly with menus that are always visible. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Ok, Why don't you extend this philosophy by only showing the window that the users mouse is currently over? This will reduce clutter even more! Great plan eh? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
I think what happened is that designers copied Apple concept but unfortunately made some modifications :-(. Please if copy, then copy exactly!! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
This is a perfect use case fur the HUD. Press alt. No, the HUD is only good when you know exactly what command you want to run , i.e. you're an experienced user, and then only if the application supports it. The menu should always be visible for reasons of dicsoverability and usability. How can anyone know that a menu is even there if you don't show it? Some applications have one and some don't. We can also argue that having a global menu for anything make the user maximize because this user don't want to move his mouse all over his desk to only reveal a menu ... Move his mouse all over his desk? I have a very high resolution monitor and it takes about 0.2 seconds, and about 1-2cm of mouse movement, to move my mouse from the bottom corner to the top corner of the screen. I am using Ubuntu 12 with the default mouse sensitivity settings. A new user won't mind moving his mouse that 1-2cm. An very experienced user will use the HUD or other shortcuts. Surely the aim is to make users comfortable enough with applications until they can only use the HUD or shortcuts? Reducing clutter is a nice goal but you should never sacrifice usability to get there. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
On 5/22/12 11:37 AM, Andrei Emeltchenko wrote: I think what happened is that designers copied Apple concept but unfortunately made some modifications :-(. Please if copy, then copy exactly!! Well, except that they did *one* thing better than apple: In a multi-monitor setup the global menu is on the same screen as the window to which it relates. That's brilliant. (disclaimer: i haven't put a second monitor on my linux box since before my upgrade to precise, so I hope they haven't destroyed that functionality while I wasn't looking) Really, guys, all we want is the damn menu for the active window to stay visible. You probably want to position it to the right of the application name rather than fading over the top of it (is that why there's such resistance to making this change?) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
As ever, all the last discussion is forgetting the user (like myself) which likes to have several windows on a big screen AND focus follow mouse. Global menu and focus follow mouse is a no-no unless the window is maximized. Not all devices are tablet, not every user use their desktop as a big tablet. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
I suggested the exact same thing due to this other bug: New windows are moved to front but don't take focus https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/781931/comments/31 TOO MUCH CLICKING! Apps and menus should follow mouse over focus. Will fix many issues. I use fullscreen apps a lot. This is how I would prefer it: Default: Fullscreen apps should always show global menus. Do not hide. Minimized apps should have the menus locally integrated, less distance to travel to get to menu! Optional: Hide global menus non-locally integrated menus on minimized apps The highest foreground app must by default grab focus Any app you move your mouse over must get Menu focus, don't bring to foreground though! interacting with the focused app will bring it to foreground, like keyboard input. Love unity and all the features. But the focus and global menu thing is a bit annoying. Some refinement needed. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Romano: these hidden interface elements (menu+window controls) actually does not work on tablet devices without mouse, as it is not possible to move the mouse pointer without clicking. For netbook devices with mouse and small screen the current behavior could be the best (but should be a user choice). On my device, there is not enough space for menu+indicators+window controls. Maybe the menu should have been below the other things. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
Re: [Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
If these comments reveal anything it's that different people want to work in different ways. Those of us whose other main machines are Macs want a permanently visible global menu; those whose other machines are Windows, or just came from earlier versions of Gnome, want menus attached to the windows, and a variety of other options - wow, people still do focus-follows-mouse? :-P TBH I think most of the problem here has been the recent-years fetish with removing user preferences for this stuff; that's what makes the decision to go with the wrong paradigm as default a major PITA for already-competent users rather than a minor annoyance that's fixed within a minute or two of first logging into a new system. Choose whatever default behaviour you want for the new-to-ubuntu user; but give the rest of us *choices*! It's good to see that seems to be the way the current thinking is leading; I just hope we all get the choices we want. :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
@Rachel: +1. No, wait, +100. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
=== STOP POSTING YOUR OPINION AS COMMENTS HERE === Dear all, please remember this is a bug report and you should only post comments related to the technical problem here. If you want to share your opinion that's great, but please do that on the Ayatana Design mailing list. Everytime you post here thousands of people receive your comment via e-mail and can get annoyed, so please consider before posting here. Thanks, Ingo -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
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[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Please, oh Ubuntu gods, allow the Global application menu to always be visible! There's nothing worse than having to move your mouse around to discover what might be or might not be there.It takes all the snappiness out of the interface. This fading menu is a terrible idea! It means I have to continuosly hover my mouse over the top bar to see what the options are. How is this good? Even when I can remember what the menu options are, I still have to first move my mouse to the top and then move accross to the exact location of the menu item. It really slows my workflow down. Please fix it! The Unity interface is so nearly great!. it just has a few massive usability issues that stop it from being great. Like this one and also the fact that a large number of applications don't appear on the Alt-Tab menu even when they are running. Who is making these UI decisions? developers? Why do you think apple don't have fading menus? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
One reason use global menu only for maximized windows is a bad idea because you shouldn't be trying to encourage people to be maximising windows. The reason we have larger screens is so we can fit more than one window on the screen at any one time, I usually have several. Microsoft Windows users are the main culprits of the maximize everything culture and this is not something anyone should be aiming for. What OSX does with it's permanent menus actually works well and I've never heard any complaints about it. Everyone who has been forced to use Unity at the company I work for has complained about this particular aspect of it. The solution is easy, just enable always visible Global Menus, or at-least allow us the option to enable then. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
@Chris: This fading menu is a terrible idea! It means I have to continuosly hover my mouse over the top bar to see what the options are. How is this good? Well, you seem to be an heavy menu user, most users are not (if you use a web browser, an email client and a text editor most of the common functions are in the toolbars for example). Quite some users like the visual improvement and the clutter reduction which goes with hidding the menus. That said adding an option to not hide the menus was planned for precise but didn't get worked in time, it's like to happen next cycle though Like this one and also the fact that a large number of applications don't appear on the Alt-Tab menu even when they are running. That seems to be bugs rather than any design decision, you should open bugs when you run into such cases -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Even when I can remember what the menu options are, I still have to first move my mouse to the top and then move accross to the exact location of the menu item. This is a perfect use case fur the HUD. Press alt. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
I have found that sometimes icons in the sidebar are mysteriously coalesced. For instance, I've had Chrome and gedit merge into a single icon, and clicking it would bring up the windows for both. However, this happens too seldom to be reproducible, and I am not sure it has happened in 12.04 yet, so I have no idea if it has been fixed yet. But that is fairly offtopic for this bug. For this, I agree: Hiding the menu is TERRIBLE for usability. Please don't fall into the trap of trying to reduce clutter by sacrificing usability. Clutter is NOT always a problem that needs to be fixed. Sometimes you really do need it. There is a reason the menu bar is always visible on Mac OS X. Apple does put a lot of effort into usability. Hiding it destroys most of the benefits of a global menu bar, rendering it mostly useless. The fact that you can no longer aim at the entry you need is a serious problem with this design. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
@Chris: We can also argue that having a global menu for anything make the user maximize because this user don't want to move his mouse all over his desk to only reveal a menu ... I know I feel this problem, and I maximize nothing. Having this option (use global menu only for maximized windows) will actually make my desktop more efficient for unmaximized windows ... I don't know why you are thinking the opposite, I think use global menu only for maximized windows will not do anything about your fear of ... of what actually ?! I mean come on ! It's not like someone will change all his behaviors depending on (on large screens) 2% more wasted space. And even me, that is extremely annoyed by theses recurring search of the missing menu have not changed my behaviors at all in that matter. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
I can't stand the global menu. I've switched away from unity as a result. As a developer, I constantly have a bunch of 'layers' of windows open. For example, I might have a terminal window open in the background, my IDE over top of that, and finally my web browser for testing the site I'm developing. Now I refreshed a page on the website and I want to see my terminal in the background (instead of my IDE) to see some output...except I can't just minimize the IDE like I could with previous versions of Ubuntu-- because there is no minimize button until I click on my IDE and then move the mouse all the way up to the top-right corner of the screen. Unity totally interrupts my workflow with the global menu and also the screwed up ALT+TAB order and behavior and all the shortcut keys its taken over. The whole 'lens' idea is awesome though--why wasn't it simply added to Gnome2/3? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
** Changed in: compiz Status: New = Triaged ** Changed in: compiz Assignee: (unassigned) = Sam Spilsbury (smspillaz) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
Current status (always global and hidding menu) is absolutely user UNfriendly. So my opinion is: [x] Global Menu only for maximized windows [x] Do not hide Global Menu And it'll be perfect. All should be optional, but these as default. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
I vote for [x] Global Menu on [x] Global Menu off [x ] Global Menu only for maximized windows I think is ok the switch on/off of global-menu (if this is the user's will) but the third solution is really more ergonomical and a more intelligent choice. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
As I have asked before: Isn't it possible to put the global menu into the window decoration/caption bar for non-maximized windows? So it would always be in the bar above the window. Nice, clean, logical and consistent. Otherwise I'm with the [x] Global Menu only for maximized windows solution. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
[Bug 682788] Re: Improve Unity menus
I would also like to see an option like 'Do not hide Global Menu'. Right now, the global menu and the action buttons are hidden after a definable time. I would prefer if they would be visible all the time as e.g. on Mac OS X. Hiding it might lower clutter but sadly it lowers productivity, too as I have to 'guess' where a menu entry is before I actually see it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Desktop Bugs, which is subscribed to metacity in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/682788 Title: Improve Unity menus To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/682788/+subscriptions -- desktop-bugs mailing list desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/desktop-bugs
