Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Owen Taylor
Hi Maguerite, Thanks for the detailed response! It's hard for me to talk about the pros and cons of fcitx and IBus - sadly I don't speak or write Chinese, and I haven't investigated the technical operations of these systems either. But what I do want to talk about is the user experience we try

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Weng Xuetian
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: Hi Maguerite, Thanks for the detailed response! It's hard for me to talk about the pros and cons of fcitx and IBus - sadly I don't speak or write Chinese, and I haven't investigated the technical operations of these

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Marguerite Su
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: Hi Maguerite, Thanks for the detailed response! It's hard for me to talk about the pros and cons of fcitx and IBus - sadly I don't speak or write Chinese, and I haven't investigated the technical operations of these

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is bad right now, we need to fix it. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Marguerite Su i...@marguerite.su wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:51 PM,

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Weng Xuetian
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is bad right now, we need to fix it. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Frederic Peters
Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is bad right now, we need to fix it. Or use fcitx instead of IBus? I honestly do not know the topic, but I read the

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Sergey Udaltsov
We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is bad right now, we need to fix it. Some while ago when I started libxklavier, there was idea to create some kind of abstraction layer for xkb

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
Input Methods need to display custom widgets in the overview. That means they need access to St, which is (for now) a private toolkit to the Shell. DBus would not work, unless we want to do something really dumb[0]. The only thing that I could think of would either be a special kind of GNOME Shell

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Weng Xuetian
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: Input Methods need to display custom widgets in the overview. That means they need access to St, which is (for now) a private toolkit to the Shell. DBus would not work, unless we want to do something really

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Weng Xuetian
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Sergey Udaltsov sergey.udalt...@gmail.com wrote: We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is bad right now, we need to fix it. Some while ago when I

Gnome 3.4 / Anjuta / Scintilla Plugin

2012-05-12 Thread Lanoxx
Hi, I just updated to gnome 3.4 and then fired up Anjuta to fix all those applets in my gnome-panel that have become broken after the update (which sadly is most of them). But to my surprise I can not use the scrollwheel in to scroll up any more. When I scroll down everything is fine, but

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Weng Xuetian wen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: Input Methods need to display custom widgets in the overview. That means they need access to St, which is (for now) a private toolkit to the

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Weng Xuetian
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Weng Xuetian wen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: Input Methods need to display custom widgets in the overview.

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Allan Day
Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org wrote: Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is bad right now, we need to fix it. Or use fcitx instead of IBus? I

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Marguerite Su
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org wrote: Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Marguerite Su
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Jasper St. Pierre jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote: We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is bad right now, we need to fix it. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Weng Xuetian
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:56 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: Frederic Peters fpet...@gnome.org wrote: Jasper St. Pierre wrote: We only have the development resources to ship one input method. It's going to need special code to integrate with Clutter and the St toolkit. If IBus is

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Justin Wong
I'm a end-user of Gnome and Fcitx, and co-developer of this extension ( https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/261/kimpanel/) One year ago i was still using iBus as my first-choice input method, but it has bugs and runs slowly, so i turned to fcitx. Fcitx is now growing up smoothly and has a lot

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Lanoxx
Please not that the arguments I am stating below apply for all areas of software, and are not particularly about the choice between IBUS and fcitx. On 12/05/12 16:51, Owen Taylor wrote: Hi Maguerite, Thanks for the detailed response! It's hard for me to talk about the pros and cons of fcitx

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Aron Xu
Hi, On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote: Hi Maguerite, Thanks for the detailed response! It's hard for me to talk about the pros and cons of fcitx and IBus - sadly I don't speak or write Chinese, and I haven't investigated the technical operations of

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 00:03 +0800, Weng Xuetian wrote: Actually I see this is an impossible mission for gnome. I see no one here really understand the real needs of input method. Fix UI? That's not the main problem of ibus. I'm having a very hard time following this. Can somebody who knows

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Justin Wong
1. ibus is buggy 2. Even though iBus is perfect, it should not be the integrated IM of gnome, if only ibus is integrated, the only thing i can do is just give up gnome because ibus cannot meet my need, if only fcitx is integrated, maybe ibus users would give up gnome because they need ibus 3.

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Justin Wong
5. there has been solutions to integrate IM frameworks with gnome https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/261/kimpanel/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/68/input-method-status-indicator/ in which kimpanel extension can work with both ibus and fcitx. there is no dark magic. On Sun, May 13,

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
hi; On 12 May 2012 22:39, Justin Wong justin.w...@gmail.com wrote: 5. there has been solutions to integrate IM frameworks with gnome https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/261/kimpanel/ https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/68/input-method-status-indicator/ in which kimpanel extension can

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Benjamin Otte
Marguerite Su i at marguerite.su writes: what if after one or two years, a brand-new IM comes. then you guys will remove all ibus codes and start what you do today again? and after another one or two years, again again. then it becomes you guys' life-time career to fix bugs and reinvent

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Weng Xuetian
在 2012年5月13日 星期日 02:19:25,Benjamin Otte 写道: Marguerite Su i at marguerite.su writes: what if after one or two years, a brand-new IM comes. then you guys will remove all ibus codes and start what you do today again? and after another one or two years, again again. then it

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Marguerite Su
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 5:16 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 00:03 +0800, Weng Xuetian wrote: Actually I see this is an impossible mission for gnome. I see no one here really understand the real needs of input method. Fix UI? That's not the main problem of

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Liang Suilong
Hi, I am a Fedora Packager, maintaining fcitx and its related packages for Fedora. I am working for submitting review requests for fcitx related pacakges. Two months ago I joined in offline meeting of Hong Kong Linux User Group. I heard from Linuxers in Hong Kong that ibus-table-quick could not

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Justin Wong
Well this is how ibus is done, as u can see, ugly. but i should say users would never see this long long menu, because this menu provides 13 kinds of input methods for users, where normal users use less than 3 input methods, this screenshot is just to show ibus can provide so many IMs I

Re: 3.6 Feature: IBus/XKB integration

2012-05-12 Thread Marguerite Su
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Benjamin Otte o...@gnome.org wrote: Marguerite Su i at marguerite.su writes: what if after one or two years, a brand-new IM comes. then you guys will remove all ibus codes and start what you do today again? and after another one or two years, again again.