On 14/05/2012 22:52, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote:
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 12:21 +0800, Weng Xuetian wrote:
I don't want people to draw the conclusion that because I'm saying
that
input methods should have simple configuration without a lot of
options,
I think that they aren't important. I'm very
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Tommy He tommy...@linux.com wrote:
I'm just start catching the whole story and find where the discussion is now.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Weng Xuetian wen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño g...@gnome.org wrote:
I'm kind of worry about the echoing sound that CJK user bases
represents all the needs for a input method *framework*. It's NOT.
Take a look at these:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IndicTypingBooster
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/english-typing-booster
Also here are the
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:32 AM, Sergey Udaltsov
sergey.udalt...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not want to see iBus integration becomes another Power Off Button on
GNOME Shell.
IMHO the useful discussion should be from two directions.
One direction - from the user POV. Here, the goal is to define
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Takao Fujiwara tfuji...@redhat.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm working on the ibus integration.
(05/13/12 13:31), Justin Wong-san wrote:
Well this is how ibus is done, as u can see, ugly.
but i should say users would never see this long long menu, because this
menu
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Takao Fujiwara tfuji...@redhat.com wrote:
(05/14/12 21:34), Christophe Fergeau-san wrote:
This leads to my next question, this thread so far has been focused on
CJK (and Vietnamese in this email). Are they the only languages that
needs input methods? Or are
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Weng Xuetian wen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Tommy He tommy...@linux.com wrote:
I'm just start catching the whole story and find where the discussion is now.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Weng Xuetian wen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue,
Hi, all.
This thread is not that long, so I've read it all. I'm yet another
native Chinese user.
I agree with the idea of Taylor's origin post.
Some people want framework of frameworks. I appreciate their efforts.
However, I don't think this make sense if we consider long-term.
If someone is
What's wrong with GBus? Except that some people think it should be GFcitx?
I haven't seen any single IMF being continually active over the years.
But GNOME is always active. Even if GNOME 3 changed many things. I can
still recognize Apps like Gedit and File-Roller.
If would be if a carefully
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote:
In general, choice of input method framework is not a goal in itself.
If we choose a single input method framework to integrate with GNOME -
that doesn't make GNOME like proprietary software from Apple and Microsoft,
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote:
What's wrong with GBus? Except that some people think it should be GFcitx?
are you mad?
do you ever know there's a desktop environment called KDE?
I haven't seen any single IMF being continually active over the years.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Marguerite Su i...@marguerite.su wrote:
do you ever know there's a desktop environment called KDE?
I know KDE from day one. GNOME can do things differently. And I
support what I feel right.
you self-explained why IBUS/FCITX themselves can't be a standard.
I'm
(05/15/12 15:28), Marguerite Su-san wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Takao Fujiwaratfuji...@redhat.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm working on the ibus integration.
(05/13/12 13:31), Justin Wong-san wrote:
Well this is how ibus is done, as u can see, ugly.
but i should say users would never
I've heard enough of this and feel great disrespect.
Please Marguerite, let's not get personal (or even national) on this
thread. You should know better than occusing people who sincerelly
want GNOME to provide the best - and do not mean any nationalism or
disrespect.
But really there is another
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Takao Fujiwara tfuji...@redhat.com wrote:
(05/15/12 15:28), Marguerite Su-san wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Takao Fujiwaratfuji...@redhat.com
wrote:
Hi,
I'm working on the ibus integration.
(05/13/12 13:31), Justin Wong-san wrote:
Well
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Marguerite Su i...@marguerite.su wrote:
no offense, but if Chinese or CJK Community is a small group(I think
I've already be clear about what CJK users are doing today. they'are
the nowadays tweakers you called. why? because you didn't ship what
they want. you
(05/15/12 18:12), Weng Xuetian-san wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Takao Fujiwaratfuji...@redhat.com wrote:
(05/15/12 15:28), Marguerite Su-san wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Takao Fujiwaratfuji...@redhat.com
wrote:
Hi,
I'm working on the ibus integration.
(05/13/12
Marguerite,
(First, no need to cc me, I'm obviously subscribed to desktop-devel-list
:-))
Le mardi 15 mai 2012, à 16:40 +0800, Marguerite Su a écrit :
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote:
In general, choice of input method framework is not a goal in itself.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Takao Fujiwara tfuji...@redhat.com wrote:
(05/15/12 15:28), Marguerite Su-san wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Takao Fujiwaratfuji...@redhat.com
wrote:
Hi,
I'm working on the ibus integration.
(05/13/12 13:31), Justin Wong-san wrote:
Well
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
It would surely help to have some simple wiki page summarizing the
current state of ibus and fctix, both as frameworks in general as well
as for the availability and state of their plugins. People have been
trying to tell the
XOXO, Vuntz,
at first I want to declare a big progress Weng and Takao made in the
other thread.
IBUS won't be compulsory. it will be optional. distribution can customize it.
it's enough for me.
actually I started my thread because I thought IBus will be compulsory
for my openSUSE distro who is
(05/15/12 15:37), Marguerite Su-san wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Takao Fujiwaratfuji...@redhat.com wrote:
(05/14/12 21:34), Christophe Fergeau-san wrote:
This leads to my next question, this thread so far has been focused on
CJK (and Vietnamese in this email). Are they the only
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Marguerite Su i...@marguerite.su wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote:
GNOME doesn't want to work well just for tweakers and enthusiasts - it's
very important to the project that GNOME works well for all users without
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Takao Fujiwara tfuji...@redhat.com wrote:
(05/15/12 15:37), Marguerite Su-san wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Takao Fujiwaratfuji...@redhat.com
wrote:
(05/14/12 21:34), Christophe Fergeau-san wrote:
This leads to my next question, this thread so
After talking to Behdad last weekend, I've filed another 3.6 feature
page for the long-awaited move to harfbuzz 1.0.
It took a long time, but it is finally going to happen this cycle.
For more details, see https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointFive/Features/Harfbuzz
On (05/15/2012 07:37 PM), Weng Xuetian-san wrote:
BTW, auto-completion could unveil the passwords:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=803646
Hope this feature can be implemented in gtk and clutter in near future
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651244
Thus the input widget
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:37 AM, Weng Xuetian wen...@gmail.com wrote:
Hope this feature can be implemented in gtk and clutter in near future
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651244
If you think this is an important feature, please help getting it
landed by commenting on some of the
独裁无胆，民主无量，打着为民着想的旗号强奸民意，一句资源有限就可以免于全部责任
去吧，发展葛弄姆特色的自由软件
Go on your work, hurt more fans and lose more users
sent from android
On May 15, 2012 7:28 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote:
In general, choice of input method framework is not a goal in itself.
If we choose a single input
Hey Matthias.
On 05/15/2012 12:31 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
At the release team meeting last weekend, we've discussed that we want
to revitalize the Gnome Goals [1] effort by adopting a few goals for
this cycle. We've chosen the following goals:
GSettingsMigration
XDGConfigFolders
hi, guys
I saw this bad news from
http://linuxtoy.org/archives/gnome-and-cjk-community-debates-about-ibus-integration-of-gnome-3-6.html
It's a chinese linux news blog, Do you know how to input those characters?
I think the input is the most important things of a desktop.
If i can't input,no
Imagine, just imagine one day a desktop environment named the Kernel
Desktop Environment (KDE), would be integrated to linux kernel for better
user experience. U guys argue for kernel should not integrate a DE, then
Linus Torvalds come out and say:
On May 15, 2012 7:28 AM, Owen Taylor
I want to add more background on ibus as I watched Huang Peng developed
it from scratch back to few years ago in Beijing.
One of the main ideas behind ibus was to implement The Specification of
the IM engine Service Provider Interface which was jointly developed by
CJK(China, Japan, Korea) IM
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Justin Wong justin.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Imagine, just imagine one day a desktop environment named the Kernel Desktop
Environment (KDE), would be integrated to linux kernel for better user
experience. U guys argue for kernel should not integrate a DE, then
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:40:03AM +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
Q: What are GNOME people doing?
A: 1.Super-excellent ideas and design;
2.Poor implementation;
3.Working hard on fix-ups and finally it works;
4.Immediately starting to re-invent wheels from Point 1.
Cool that you have that idea, but
De: Justin Wong justin.w...@gmail.com
CC: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
Enviado: Martes 15 de Mayo de 2012 18:05
Asunto: Re: Some points about IM integration
Imagine, just imagine one day a desktop environment named the Kernel Desktop
Environment (KDE), would be integrated to linux kernel
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:05:40AM +0800, Justin Wong wrote:
If we choose KDE as defualt and unchangable DE of linux, it doesn't make
linux like proprietary software from micro$oft, because linux will still be
100% free software, and will still be developed in the open by the linux
community.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:04:06PM +0800, Xu Pengfei wrote:
hi, guys
I saw this bad news from
http://linuxtoy.org/archives/gnome-and-cjk-community-debates-about-ibus-integration-of-gnome-3-6.html
It's a chinese linux news blog, Do you know how to input those characters?
I think the input
All what I want to say is gnome should NOT use one single IMF, just like
linux should NOT use only one DE !
There IS a solution to integrate multiple IMFs! And u just ignore ignore
and ignore this solution because of your laziness!
It's not the question which imf is better, it's the question u
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:05 AM, Justin Wong justin.w...@gmail.com wrote:
All what I want to say is gnome should NOT use one single IMF, just like
linux should NOT use only one DE !
False Analogy.
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:43:41PM +0800, Justin Wong wrote:
独裁无胆，民主无量，打着为民着想的旗号强奸民意，一句资源有限就可以免于全部责任
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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 01:05:46AM +0800, Justin Wong wrote:
There IS a solution to integrate multiple IMFs! And u just ignore ignore
and ignore this solution because of your laziness!
Your tone is not acceptable. Consider yourself banned.
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On Wed, 16 May 2012 00:05:40 +0800
Justin Wong justin.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Imagine, just imagine one day a desktop environment named the Kernel
Desktop Environment (KDE), would be integrated to linux kernel for better
user experience.
We've got one .. it's called the console. It has an
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 04:45:36PM +0800, Marguerite Su wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote:
What's wrong with GBus? Except that some people think it should be GFcitx?
are you mad?
Getting personal is not acceptable on this list.
do you ever
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 17:55 +0800, Ma Xiaojun wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Vincent Untz vu...@gnome.org wrote:
It would surely help to have some simple wiki page summarizing the
current state of ibus and fctix, both as frameworks in general as well
as for the availability and
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:40:03AM +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
Q: What are GNOME people doing?
A: 1.Super-excellent ideas and design;
2.Poor implementation;
3.Working hard on fix-ups and finally it works;
4.Immediately starting
Sorry for being mad, no offence to u.
First I would say I approve GNOME to integrate with an IMF, and even choose
one IMF as defualt.
BUT, IMF must be switchable.
As I have said for several times, provide a interface that IMFs can be well
integrated with GNOME.
There is a solution too satisfy
Is there any reason that picking one input method framework is bad, if
we do it right? If the experience sucks and users have to switch to
another input method framework, yes, we've done it wrong, as Owen says
in the original email. But if it works pretty much out of the box for
all cases, what's
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:39 AM, Aron Xu aro...@gnome.org wrote:
1.GNOME is trying to have IMF integration - cool stuff.
2.But it is warned by specialized people that the plan is broken - can
lead to poor implementation and breakage.
3.People insist on having it right now for 3.6 - then must
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 01:41 +0800, Justin Wong wrote:
Sorry for being mad, no offence to u.
First I would say I approve GNOME to integrate with an IMF, and even
choose one IMF as defualt.
BUT, IMF must be switchable.
We already mentioned that we want the features to be in the engines from
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 1:41 AM, Justin Wong bigea...@xdlinux.info wrote:
There is a solution too satisfy multipul IMFs, but our points' are just
Ignored , even though Wen Xuetian has said he can prove it with code!
Should be Weng Xuetian :)
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On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 01:39 +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:40:03AM +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
Q: What are GNOME people doing?
A: 1.Super-excellent ideas and design;
2.Poor implementation;
3.Working hard
On May 16, 2012 2:08 AM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 01:41 +0800, Justin Wong wrote:
Sorry for being mad, no offence to u.
First I would say I approve GNOME to integrate with an IMF, and even
choose one IMF as defualt.
BUT, IMF must be switchable.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 01:39 +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:40:03AM +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
Q: What are GNOME people doing?
A:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:19 AM, Bastien Nocera had...@hadess.net wrote:
On Wed, 2012-05-16 at 01:39 +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:40:03AM +0800, Aron Xu wrote:
Q: What are GNOME people doing?
A:
Hi, all.
I've started the documentation process of CJK Input.
https://live.gnome.org/InputCJK
It just contains trivial information currently. But I will add content
from time to time.
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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 3:20 AM, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, all.
I've started the documentation process of CJK Input.
https://live.gnome.org/InputCJK
It just contains trivial information currently. But I will add content
from time to time.
Looks great, thanks for bringing
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Ma Xiaojun damage3...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, all.
I've started the documentation process of CJK Input.
https://live.gnome.org/InputCJK
Thanks, this looks like a good start!
It just contains trivial information currently. But I will add content
from time to
Greetings all,
This fall I and three other students did an accessibility study in which
Dasher was a part. One of the issues we encountered was that the user after
having typed it's sentence or any other text into Dasher had to copy and
paste it into the application they were actually using. And
On Thu, 2012-05-03 at 10:49 -0400, Colin Walters wrote:
On Mon, 2012-04-23 at 22:41 +0200, Krzysztof Walo wrote:
Wouldn't it be better if it looked like this:
1. Ask user necessary questions (language, name, time zone?)
2. Launch desktop session
3. Let user configure it
4. Install
Hello,
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Kenneth Nielsen k.nielse...@gmail.com wrote:
Hallo developers.
Since the release of GNOME 3.4 we have received a steady stream of emails
saying This is not a string freeze break, we just forgot to mark the
strings for translation. So much so, that the
Op Ma, 2012-05-07 om 13:59 +0200 skryf Kenneth Nielsen:
Hallo developers.
Since the release of GNOME 3.4 we have received a steady stream of
emails saying This is not a string freeze break, we just forgot to mark
the strings for translation. So much so, that the statistics e.g. for
my
I think it should be a small shell-script that would detect strings
nos marked for translation, using the _ function.
For example, in gnome-packagekit/src folder, I've ran the following command:
egrep -i label.*\(\ * |grep -v _(
To detect all the «gtk_label_new» without a translatable string.
Hi All, a very friendly person on the gnome IRC put me on this mailing
list.
Long story short i wanted to add an article to your design wiki
https://live.gnome.org/Design/Playground but thought it best to run it by
someone first.
after reading this
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On May 15, 2012 7:28 AM, Owen Taylor otay...@redhat.com wrote:
In general, choice of input method framework is not a goal in itself.
If we choose a single input method framework to integrate with
Sorry for being mad, no offence to u.
As I have said for sevral times, provide a interface that IMFs can be well
integrated with GNOME
but our points' are just ignored , even though Wen Xuetian has said he can
prove it with code! ( even code cannot convince u, i am disappointed)
GNOME provide
Sorry for being mad, no offence to u.
As I have said for sevral times, provide a interface that IMFs can be well
integrated with GNOME, but our points' are just
Ignored by u, even though Wen Xuetian has said he can prove it with code!
GNOME provide machanism, IMFs provide implementation.
I know
Sorry for being mad, no offence to u.
First I would say I approve GNOME to integrate with an IMF, and even
choose one IMF as defualt.
BUT, IMF must be switchable.
As I have said for several times, provide a interface that IMFs can be well
integrated with GNOME.
There is a solution too satisfy
2012/5/15 Joanmarie Diggs jdi...@igalia.com:
On 05/15/2012 12:31 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
At the release team meeting last weekend, we've discussed that we want
to revitalize the Gnome Goals [1] effort by adopting a few goals for
this cycle. We've chosen the following goals:
Hello GNOME Developers,
I would like to ask you if you are in need of a Tomboy Notes
replacement. As you may know, many large distros have stopped using
Tomboy Notes because of the large amount of dependencies needed to run
it. To be exact, here is a terminal output from Debian's apt-get
Reading
On 15/05/12 01:43 PM, Adam Lechowicz wrote:
I would like to ask you if you are in need of a Tomboy Notes
replacement.
Gnote?
http://live.gnome.org/Gnote
Hub
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Piotr Drąg piotrd...@gmail.com wrote:
What about strings with embedded markup, like this one: Unfortunately
GNOME 3 failed to start properly and started in the ifallback
mode/i? Are they also supposed to be changed in some way?
These cases are tricky.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Jasper St. Pierre
jstpie...@mecheye.net wrote:
Is there any reason that picking one input method framework is bad, if
we do it right? If the experience sucks and users have to switch to
another input method framework, yes, we've done it wrong, as Owen says
in
Hello All,
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GNOME.Asia, 2012 is being held in City University of Hong Kong (
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(05/15/12 19:13), Marguerite Su-san wrote:
I at first thought GNOME is planning to grab free options from users
and distros.
like we openSUSE choose fcitx as default IM, but we can do nothing on
IBUS then. then we won't choose fcitx any more. because we don't like
to act fool. the we have no
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