Hello everyone,
I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a
mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub.
I have more detailes about this in a blog post[0] I just published.
The aim of this mirror is just to serve as a starting point for people
wanting to have a public branch
Hello,
GitHub indeed offers many features that Gnome's git web interface
doesn't.
But may I ask why you chose GitHub and not some other service?
I'll tell you why it's important in my humble opinion, to ask this
question. As you many have heard already, most Git hosting websites use
proprietary
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:26 AM, אנטולי קרסנר fr33domlo...@mailoo.org wrote:
Hello,
Hi,
Examples:
[…]
SourceForge
SourceForge is actually free software now. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SourceForge#Apache_relicense
(Certainly the popularity of GitHub is not the reason you chose it I
Hello Alexandre,
2013/8/15 Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com:
(Certainly the popularity of GitHub is not the reason you chose it I
guess, just like the popularity of Windows doesn't make us focus on
Windows support, and the popularity of Skype doesn't make us focus on
As you can
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote:
We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more
open source code and tools than the gitorious community. We accept
money from Google for the GSoC's every year and I see no complaints.
Everything is a
2013/8/15 Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote:
We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more
open source code and tools than the gitorious community. We accept
money from Google for the
Hey,
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:07:23PM +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
Anyway this is really not what was the most important point to me in
my previous email and you didn't answer the question I really cared
about, so I'm asking again: is there a way for maintainers to opt out
of the github
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote:
Speaking as someone who has a Gitorious account and not a GitHub one,
what will you gain by opting out? It won't stop someone from cloning
your code on GitHub. This way you atleast have a canonical tree on
GitHub where
hi;
On 15 August 2013 11:38, Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se wrote:
Speaking as someone who has a Gitorious account and not a GitHub one,
what will you gain by opting out? It won't stop someone from cloning
The results GitHub brings are not relevant in this case. TONS of useful
software have been created - and are still being created - using
Microsoft tools, and many other proprietary tools. So what?
I think it's somewhat unfair to make the GitHub mirroring automatic and
let people send their
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought that making it easy for them to take the code and copy it
was the entire point of using a distributed version control system.
actually, I was pretty sure that this was the whole point of having
free access to
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:07 +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
I really don't care much about my code being mirrored anywhere.
Anyway this is really not what was the most important point to me in
my previous email and you didn't answer the question I really cared
about, so I'm asking again: is
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 13:39 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
I don't see any question in your last email, so you're not asking
*again*.
Ah. Either you asked on foundation-list only and not d-d-l, or my mail
filters are wonky. Sorry.
andre
--
Andre Klapper | ak...@gmx.net
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:39 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote:
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:07 +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
I really don't care much about my code being mirrored anywhere.
If you don't care much about your code being mirrored, it probably means
that Can maintainers opt out?
Le 15/08/2013 12:44, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
Actually, the fact that we have to ask to opt out is an issue in
itself. We shouldn't even have to. This should have been opt in from
the start. People (maintainers and commiters in this case) shouldn't
have to fight to get back what you have
hi Luis;
thanks for answering.
On 15 August 2013 13:00, Luis Menina liberfo...@freeside.fr wrote:
Le 15/08/2013 12:44, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit :
Actually, the fact that we have to ask to opt out is an issue in
itself. We shouldn't even have to. This should have been opt in from
the start.
No problems, GNOME having read-only mirrors can be useful to people.
Just make sure there's an easy way to opt out. For example, I wouldn't
want any of my code automatically uploaded to GitHub. I think every
maintainer should have the right to cancel mirroring for their module.
If GitHub was
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 8:34 AM, fr33domlover fr33domlo...@mailoo.orgwrote:
No problems, GNOME having read-only mirrors can be useful to people.
Just make sure there's an easy way to opt out. For example, I wouldn't
want any of my code automatically uploaded to GitHub. I think every
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:07:23PM +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote:
We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more
open source code and tools than the gitorious community. We accept
money from Google
Hey there,
I can't help but notice that your mail provider, mailoo has a twitter
account to promote themselves: https://twitter.com/mailoopointorg
You should switch your email provider immediatly, as they are
promoting a centralized closed source service in their very frontpage!
2013/8/15
Allow me to clarify:
You're free to use github mirrors, it's your right to do so. But I have
the right not to cooperate with this. All Gnome maintainers have this
right.
If you're going to enable those github mirrors, make sure any maintainer
can easily turn off mirroring for their module.
On
My other account isn't a member of this list. I'm forwarding the message
הודעה מועברת
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אל: Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org
Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org desktop-devel-list@gnome.org
נושא:
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 16:13 +0300, fr33domlover wrote:
Allow me to clarify:
You're free to use github mirrors, it's your right to do so. But I have
the right not to cooperate with this. All Gnome maintainers have this
right.
If you're going to enable those github mirrors, make sure any
Le 15/08/2013 14:47, Debarshi Ray a écrit :
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 12:07:23PM +0200, Alexandre Franke wrote:
I agree that everyone should be free to pick their fights. I agree
that you you are free to pick yours and have them different from mine.
Do you agree that mine can be different from
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 16:13 +0300, fr33domlover wrote:
You're free to use github mirrors, it's your right to do so. But I have
the right not to cooperate with this. All Gnome maintainers have this
right.
[Citation Needed].
Easy workaround: Just ignore the fact that there is a mirror. Problem
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:40 AM, fr33domlover fr33domlo...@mailoo.orgwrote:
On ה', 2013-08-15 at 14:29 +, Marco Scannadinari wrote:
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 16:13 +0300, fr33domlover wrote:
Allow me to clarify:
You're free to use github mirrors, it's your right to do so. But I have
On Thu, August 15, 2013 9:47 am, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
Is it because GNOME's mirrors
are called official, and that you feel that having a presence on any
proprietary infrastructure feels detrimental to GNOME's philosophy and
mission?
I won't comment too much since as Kat says, this will
If someone takes my code and puts it on Github, it's their right to do
so. I won't like it, but I won't stop them. It's their freedom.
But in this case it's not someone randomly copying my work: It's
*direct* mirroring of all my code, directly to Github, in an official
manner.
If you want the
Le 15/08/2013 15:40, fr33domlover a écrit :
Software freedom is more important for me than convenience. If you're
interested in convenience you can use MS Windows, Dropbox, Facebook,
Skype and Github. Stop developing Gnome and just watch TV all day.
That's convenience.
I feel that some
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 9:56 AM, fr33domlover fr33domlo...@mailoo.orgwrote:
If someone takes my code and puts it on Github, it's their right to do
so. I won't like it, but I won't stop them. It's their freedom.
But in this case it's not someone randomly copying my work: It's
*direct*
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
There's no intention to support pull requests or to depend in any way
in this service, this is just a nice-to-have to serve the GitHub's
community and user base.
My concern is that with no way to disable pull requests, potential
On ה', 2013-08-15 at 15:41 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote:
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 16:13 +0300, fr33domlover wrote:
You're free to use github mirrors, it's your right to do so. But I have
the right not to cooperate with this. All Gnome maintainers have this
right.
[Citation Needed].
Easy
Le 15/08/2013 16:08, fr33domlover a écrit :
You mean, to make GNOME's codebase available to more people who don't
mind using GitHub by adding another proprietary centralized distribution
channel to it.
You're missing the point: the goal is not to encourage people to go to
github to contribute,
I agree. Here is the compromise:
1. People who don't mind having their module on Github can turn on
mirroring
2. Peope who don't want it, can turn it off
3. People who want to clone a module not mirrored on Github, do it like
now: clone a gnome repo, then upload it to Github in a single mouse
This might be harmless if there was a way to disable pull requests, but
if we mirror repos on GitHub we have a responsibility to monitor for and
accept pull requests, otherwise potential contributors who are
unfamiliar with our development flow will be discouraged when their pull
requests sit
2013/8/15 Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:26 +0300, אנטולי קרסנר wrote:
Hello,
GitHub indeed offers many features that Gnome's git web interface
doesn't.
Yes, but we've disabled them all. I really fail to see the point of
GitHub without its killer
Pressed sent too early.
[1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Sysadmin/GitHub
2013/8/15 Andrea Veri a...@gnome.org
2013/8/15 Michael Catanzaro mcatanz...@gnome.org
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 12:26 +0300, אנטולי קרסנר wrote:
Hello,
GitHub indeed offers many features that Gnome's git web interface
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 03:38:00PM +0200, Luis Menina wrote:
I agree that everyone should be free to pick their fights. I agree
that you you are free to pick yours and have them different from mine.
Do you agree that mine can be different from yours?
And, yet, you use GMail.
Could we
Le 15/08/2013 16:12, fr33domlover a écrit :
Eventually, GitHub is supposed to help maintainers track contribution.
If they don't want to use this tool (e.g. because it's proprietary), why
force them to have it applied on their modules?
The problem for me is more that people may try to
Le 15/08/2013 16:30, Debarshi Ray a écrit :
If you are using GMail (a proprietary web application) for your GNOME
work, and then turn around and start objecting to the use of GitHub as
another / secondary distribution channel for our code, then, yes, I do
find it insincere.
Running your own
On ה', 2013-08-15 at 16:10 +0200, Luis Menina wrote:
Le 15/08/2013 16:08, fr33domlover a écrit :
You mean, to make GNOME's codebase available to more people who don't
mind using GitHub by adding another proprietary centralized distribution
channel to it.
You're missing the point: the
On 13-08-15 07:55 AM, Alexandre Franke wrote:
Ok, I probably misphrased that since English is not my native
language. What I meant is that my code being mirrored is not something
I want to push for, it's not something I consider as needed. That was
an explanation for the fact that I won't be
Le 15/08/2013 16:48, fr33domlover a écrit :
But assume I'm new to Gnome and I want to contribute. It's easier for me
to do it through GitHub than through Gitorious, because of the mirrors.
Sure. But if you know GNOME, you also may contribute through bugzilla by
sending patches using the GNOME
On ה', 2013-08-15 at 17:07 +0200, Luis Menina wrote:
Le 15/08/2013 16:48, fr33domlover a écrit :
But assume I'm new to Gnome and I want to contribute. It's easier for me
to do it through GitHub than through Gitorious, because of the mirrors.
Sure. But if you know GNOME, you also may
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 16:27 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote:
We are not diverging (and we won't diverge) from our development workflow,
I agree with you that leaving pull requests open can take in some confusion
and we'll be trying to address that by adding the relevant wiki page [1] on
the
Many large projects use Gitorious successfully.
I have just small repos there, so I don't feel any serious weaknesses,
but some large projects (you can find a list on their website) do use
it. I'm sure Gnome users can do it too.
On ה', 2013-08-15 at 09:47 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote:
On 15/08/13 09:56 AM, fr33domlover wrote:
If someone takes my code and puts it on Github, it's their right to do
so. I won't like it, but I won't stop them. It's their freedom.
But in this case it's not someone randomly copying my work: It's
*direct* mirroring of all my code, directly to
Le 15/08/2013 17:21, fr33domlover a écrit :
On ה', 2013-08-15 at 17:07 +0200, Luis Menina wrote:
Le 15/08/2013 16:48, fr33domlover a écrit :
But assume I'm new to Gnome and I want to contribute. It's easier for me
to do it through GitHub than through Gitorious, because of the mirrors.
Sure.
Hey,
2013/8/15 Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se:
If you are using GMail (a proprietary web application) for your GNOME
work, and then turn around and start objecting to the use of GitHub as
another / secondary distribution channel for our code, then, yes, I do
find it insincere.
Running your
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 18:00 +0200, Christophe Fergeau wrote:
2013/8/15 Debarshi Ray rishi...@lostca.se:
If you are using GMail (a proprietary web application) for your GNOME
work, and then turn around and start objecting to the use of GitHub as
another / secondary distribution channel for
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
We should pick our fights, on the other hand, GitHub has released more
open
On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote:
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
We
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 11:03 +0200, Alberto Ruiz wrote:
I've been working with the GitHub guys and Andrea Veri on setting up a
mirror for all GNOME repos in GitHub.
This is great news! It should make it easier for people to keep
independent/experimental branches of Gnome modules and have a
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 13:54 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote:
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
We should pick
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
We're aware of the distinction between open source software and free/libre
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider
[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,
[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.
Is it advisable to use nonfree GitHub as a secondary mirror for GNOME's
free
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