Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-16 Thread fr33domlover
On ו', 2013-08-16 at 04:13 -0300, Bastien Nocera wrote: On 15 Aug 2013, at 22:20, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic,

Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Matteo Settenvini
Il giorno gio, 15/08/2013 alle 12.07 +0200, Alexandre Franke ha scritto: On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: I really don't care much about my code being mirrored anywhere. At least gitorious would be ethically acceptable, so it wouldn't bother me, but I

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread fr33domlover
This is a great idea, but only if enough maintainers cooperate with it. Otherwise, the Gnome officially using GitHub message is stronger than a few small modules having your README.md file, while all other modules have READMEs of the common kind. Judging by replies here, I'm afraid there's no

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Matteo Settenvini
Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 12.22 +0300, fr33domlover ha scritto: This is a great idea, but only if enough maintainers cooperate with it. Otherwise, the Gnome officially using GitHub message is stronger than a few small modules having your README.md file, while all other modules have

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread fr33domlover
On ו', 2013-08-16 at 12:00 +0200, Matteo Settenvini wrote: Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 12.22 +0300, fr33domlover ha scritto: This is a great idea, but only if enough maintainers cooperate with it. Otherwise, the Gnome officially using GitHub message is stronger than a few small modules

Blocker bug review ahead of freeze

2013-08-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
Hey, the 3.9.90 release is coming up next week - it marks the beginning of our freezes, so this is a good time to review the blocker bug list again. After my first post earlier this week, I got some contributions, so the list is well-populated now. To everybody who closed a blocker bug since the

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 16 August 2013 07:48, fr33domlover fr33domlo...@mailoo.org wrote: True, I don't suggest to prevent the mirrors: Just not automate. Anyone can create a mirror manually, and it's their freedom to do so. But I don't think maintainers should have their modules automatically synced to GitHub

Re: Blocker bug review ahead of freeze

2013-08-16 Thread Piñeiro
On 08/16/2013 02:24 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: Hey, As far as I see, the list are all the bugs marked as 3.10. So just adding to the list one already marked as 3.10 but skipped. gnome-settings-daemon -- 705507 Merge the wip/wayland-display branch 705929

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
As I've said before, GNOME uses proprietary services for collaboration and outreach. We have active presences on the proprietary communication services Google+, Facebook, and Twitter. We displayed a large Twitter wall at GUADEC showing tweets tagged with the hashtag #guadec. GitHub is just

Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-16 Thread Shaun McCance
On Thu, 2013-08-15 at 21:20 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. Is it advisable to use

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Hubert Figuière
On 16/08/13 05:22 AM, fr33domlover wrote: Judging by replies here, I'm afraid there's no enough interest. All the names I recognized here support the GitHub mirrors, while the voices against them are people whose name I never saw, or are maintainers of less popular modules. Please, tell us

Re: Blocker bug review ahead of freeze

2013-08-16 Thread Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar
Quoting Matthias Clasen matthias.cla...@gmail.com: Hey, the 3.9.90 release is coming up next week - it marks the beginning of our freezes, so this is a good time to review the blocker bug list again. After my first post earlier this week, I got some contributions, so the list is

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Matteo Settenvini
Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 10.17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre ha scritto: As I've said before, GNOME uses proprietary services for collaboration and outreach. We have active presences on the proprietary communication services Google+, Facebook, and Twitter. We displayed a large Twitter wall

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Debarshi Ray
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 04:50:14PM +0200, Matteo Settenvini wrote: those services have the same problems of github, and free alternatives do exist. So, for starters ... - What is the free alternative to Google Hangouts? - What is the free alternative to Twitter with the same user base? This

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 10:17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: There's possibly a discussion to have about whether GNOME should use proprietary services for outreach, but GitHub isn't really anything new here. In my opinion, if you feel strongly about the use of proprietary services for

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Matteo Settenvini matteo...@member.fsf.org wrote: Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 10.17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre ha scritto: As I've said before, GNOME uses proprietary services for collaboration and outreach. We have active presences on the proprietary

Re: Blocker bug review ahead of freeze

2013-08-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar dims...@opensuse.org wrote: 701078 Port NM to BlueZ 5 IMHO, this is very late to happen 'just before RC' (3.9.90 is on Aug 20) with a full ABI/API freeze. This did not appear 'just before RC - it has been the plan for

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 10:17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: There's possibly a discussion to have about whether GNOME should use proprietary services for outreach, but GitHub isn't really anything new here. In my

BlueZ 5 (was: Re: Blocker bug review ahead of freeze)

2013-08-16 Thread Kalev Lember
Hi Dominique, Bastien Nocera, who's been leading the GNOME effort to switch to BlueZ 5 is currently on vacation. I don't know all the details but I'll try to reply with what I know. I'll add Gustavo Padovan to CC as well if he wants to add anything. In Fedora, we've decided to bite the bullet

Re: Blocker bug review ahead of freeze

2013-08-16 Thread Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger
On Fre, 2013-08-16 at 11:28 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: 701078 Port NM to BlueZ 5 IMHO, this is very late to happen 'just before RC' (3.9.90 is on Aug 20) with a full ABI/API freeze. This did not appear 'just before RC - it has been the plan for a while. This bug is just on the

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Frederic Peters
Jasper St. Pierre wrote: If you're not happy with that, we can certainly bring it up to the board and talk about it, but from how I see things, I don't think we'll remove GNOME Online Accounts integration or stop our Twitter marketing campaigns. So, I'm saying that if you're not happy with

Re: BlueZ 5 (was: Re: Blocker bug review ahead of freeze)

2013-08-16 Thread Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger
On Fre, 2013-08-16 at 17:51 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: Hi Dominique, Bastien Nocera, who's been leading the GNOME effort to switch to BlueZ 5 is currently on vacation. I don't know all the details but I'll try to reply with what I know. Thanks for taking the time! I'll add Gustavo

Re: BlueZ 5 (was: Re: Blocker bug review ahead of freeze)

2013-08-16 Thread Dan Williams
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 17:51 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: Hi Dominique, Bastien Nocera, who's been leading the GNOME effort to switch to BlueZ 5 is currently on vacation. I don't know all the details but I'll try to reply with what I know. I'll add Gustavo Padovan to CC as well if he wants

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Andreas Nilsson
On 08/16/2013 05:36 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org mailto:sha...@gnome.org wrote: On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 10:17 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: There's possibly a discussion to have about whether GNOME should use

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread Allan Day
Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: There's possibly a discussion to have about whether GNOME should use proprietary services for outreach, but GitHub isn't really anything new here. In my opinion, if you feel strongly about the use of proprietary services for outreach, perhaps GNOME isn't

Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-16 Thread Richard Stallman
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. When you say that GitHub is nonfree, what do you mean by that? We do not

Re: BlueZ 5

2013-08-16 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Hi, On 16/08/13 17:51, Kalev Lember wrote: not getting ported for 3.10: gnome-user-share This got ported, although there are a couple of glitches, see https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694347 Cheers, Emilio ___ desktop-devel-list

Re: Blocker bug review ahead of freeze

2013-08-16 Thread Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger
On Fre, 2013-08-16 at 19:01 +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: The NM patches add a configure switch for bluez 5. If you don't pass it, bluez 4 support is compiled. As for the other modules, if you want 3.10 with bluez 4: gnome-shell: you need to revert a trivial patch

Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-16 Thread Matteo Settenvini
Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 12.55 -0400, Richard Stallman ha scritto: [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. Until

Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]

2013-08-16 Thread fr33domlover
On ו', 2013-08-16 at 10:11 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: On 16 August 2013 07:48, fr33domlover fr33domlo...@mailoo.org wrote: True, I don't suggest to prevent the mirrors: Just not automate. Anyone can create a mirror manually, and it's their freedom to do so. But I don't think maintainers

Gerrit?

2013-08-16 Thread Colin Walters
Hi, Any opinions on: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=706155 ? (I use gerrit for some work projects and am quite happy with it in general; the interdiff support in particular is incredibly useful) ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list

Re: gitorious limitations [was: Re: Passive resistance [was: Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror]]

2013-08-16 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Matteo Settenvini mat...@member.fsf.orgwrote: Il giorno ven, 16/08/2013 alle 11.27 -0400, Jasper St. Pierre ha scritto: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Matteo Settenvini matteo...@member.fsf.org wrote: Besides, while github is not free, gitorious

Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-16 Thread Richard Stallman
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. I believe the mentioned article answers your question: GitHub is essentially

Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-16 Thread Richard Stallman
I wrote: If users can avoid the nonfree JS by using the API, that solves the problem. but I should have written If users can avoid the nonfree JS by using the API, that potentially solves the problem. Which is why I asked Is this a real option or only a theoretical one?

Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-16 Thread Richard Stallman
[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. To Richard: I would like a clarification in this respect. If I use a non-free

Re: Announcing GNOME's official GitHub mirror

2013-08-16 Thread Federico Mena Quintero
On Fri, 2013-08-16 at 19:09 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: Hosting services in general are not SaaSS. Maybe some specific thing about GitHub is SaaSS; if so, can you explain the details? Please take discussions of GitHub off-list. The Foundation Board will discuss the GNOME mirror during its