Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-23 Thread Martyn Russell
On 08/11/09 20:43, Iain wrote: Tracker 0.7 ships with a DBus API, Nepomuk as ontology, SPARQL as query language, SPARQL UPDATE for inserting and updating data and finally signals-per-classes as life search capability. The DBus APIs are simple but very powerful thanks to SPARQL. From looking

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-23 Thread Martyn Russell
On 13/11/09 17:21, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: Hi all, So now that tracker is a blessed external dep of GN(u)OME, can issues like these be fixed soon(ish): https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601799 Its not just important from academic POV but it will also help facilitate the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-23 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 13/11/09 17:21, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: Hi all,   So now that tracker is a blessed external dep of GN(u)OME, can issues like these be fixed soon(ish): https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601799    Its

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-23 Thread Martyn Russell
On 23/11/09 16:09, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 13/11/09 17:21, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: So tell me, how do I test my app if there is no data available to Tracker for me to query? You do know that Tracker has

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-13 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
Hi all, So now that tracker is a blessed external dep of GN(u)OME, can issues like these be fixed soon(ish): https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=601799 Its not just important from academic POV but it will also help facilitate the migration of apps from 0.6 to 0.7. -- Regards,

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-10 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 16:03 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Fri, 06.11.09 20:22, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: There is one problem with POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED. If you do it on a file the kernel will drop it from its caches. This is generally what you want if you just

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-10 Thread Rob Taylor
Iain wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Philip Van Hoof s...@pvanhoof.be wrote: Sorry but, with DBusGProxy you already have a GObject that you can immediately connect a signal to and get informed when something gets added, removed and changed.

Tracker and NFS (was Re: New module proposal: tracker)

2009-11-10 Thread Rob Taylor
Bastien Nocera wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 19:11 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 17:57 +, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 18:53 +0100, Philip Van Hoof wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 09:28 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: Surely apps should ship pre-indexed help

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-10 Thread John Carr
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Rob Taylor rob.tay...@codethink.co.uk wrote: Iain wrote: On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Philip Van Hoof s...@pvanhoof.be wrote: Sorry but, with DBusGProxy you already have a GObject that you can immediately connect a signal to and get informed when

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-10 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 12:51 +, John Carr wrote: On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Rob Taylor rob.tay...@codethink.co.uk wrote: One option is that some of this code could be merged into tracker itself, if it is deemed useful, along with exposing TrackerSparqlBuilder (which might be

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-09 Thread John Carr
On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Iain i...@gnome.org wrote: Tracker 0.7 ships with a DBus API, Nepomuk as ontology, SPARQL as query language, SPARQL UPDATE for inserting and updating data and finally signals-per-classes as life search capability. The DBus APIs are simple but very powerful

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-09 Thread Iain
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Philip Van Hoof s...@pvanhoof.be wrote: Sorry but, with DBusGProxy you already have a GObject that you can immediately connect a signal to and get informed when something gets added, removed and changed.

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-08 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 06.11.09 20:22, Alexander Larsson (al...@redhat.com) wrote: There is one problem with POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED. If you do it on a file the kernel will drop it from its caches. This is generally what you want if you just indexed a 100 meg text file that no other app cares about atm, since

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-08 Thread Stefan Kost
Patryk Zawadzki schrieb: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: I get the impression that the focus is more on data storage than indexing these days. I respect what the Tracker folks are trying to do, but I just need a good indexer to enable full-text search

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-08 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 20:21 +0200, Stefan Kost wrote: Patryk Zawadzki schrieb: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: I get the impression that the focus is more on data storage than indexing these days. I respect what the Tracker folks are trying to do,

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-08 Thread Iain
Tracker 0.7 ships with a DBus API, Nepomuk as ontology, SPARQL as query language, SPARQL UPDATE for inserting and updating data and finally signals-per-classes as life search capability. The DBus APIs are simple but very powerful thanks to SPARQL. From looking at tracker again this weekend,

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-08 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 20:43 +, Iain wrote: Tracker 0.7 ships with a DBus API, Nepomuk as ontology, SPARQL as query language, SPARQL UPDATE for inserting and updating data and finally signals-per-classes as life search capability. The DBus APIs are simple but very powerful thanks to

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-07 Thread Martyn Russell
On 06/11/09 19:22, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 15:01 +, Martyn Russell wrote: The seeking is hard to avoid, but there may be ways to readdir stuff without having the result be persistant in the buffer cache, although i'm not sure how posix_fadvise(POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED) can

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-07 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Fri, 2009-11-06 at 20:24 +0100, Alexander Larsson wrote: I understand that this is not nice :(. But indeed, tracker-store isn't system-wide, instead it's per user. That won't work because you won't have access to the session D-Bus, and certainly wouldn't work with, say, 1k users

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-07 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Sat, 2009-11-07 at 08:47 +, Martyn Russell wrote: On 06/11/09 19:22, Alexander Larsson wrote: There is one problem with POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED. If you do it on a file the kernel will drop it from its caches. This is generally what you want if you just indexed a 100 meg text file that

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-06 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 17:21 +, Martyn Russell wrote: On 29/10/09 15:23, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: I agree it needs fixing, but there are a number of things to consider here: - FANotify is being worked on by Red Hat and will be in the kernel for us to use at some point - and

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-06 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 10:56 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 08:58 +, Martyn Russell wrote: I desperately need an indexer for help documents in Yelp. Yelp currently has two search backends: one based on Beagle and one that basically greps everything every time you search.

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-06 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Fri, Nov 06, 2009 at 10:41:42AM +0100, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 17:21 +, Martyn Russell wrote: On 29/10/09 15:23, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: I agree it needs fixing, but there are a number of things to consider here: - FANotify is being worked on by

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-06 Thread Martyn Russell
On 06/11/09 09:41, Alexander Larsson wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 17:21 +, Martyn Russell wrote: - We changed the locations that are indexed by default from $HOME to use XDG user dirs for documents, desktop, music, pictures and videos. So the focus has changed slightly to the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-11-04 Thread Mathias Hasselmann
Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 15:12 -0400 schrieb Jamie McCracken: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: 5) Allow for possibility of uniform services for things like contacts instead of them being redefined for all clients (evolution, pidgin, web services) - this

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-30 Thread Luca Ferretti
2009/10/30 David Zeuthen da...@fubar.dk: The point, really, is that Luca was incorrect in stating that we (GNOME) unconditionally adopts dependencies that are not widely deployed or fully baked. This was true (and in a sense, still is for some of these components) for polkit,

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-30 Thread Murray Cumming
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 00:08 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: The problem is that to leverage the full power of tracker, you need much deeper integration and its not practical to make it optional in those cases This is a very general and broad statement concerning the key element in

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-30 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/10/30 Jamie McCracken jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com: The way I see it is if Gnome wants to be in a position to challenge OS/X and Windows 7 then it needs to make bold decisions. Playing it safe means it will stagnate and Gnome will miss out on all the cool technology. This is kinda

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-30 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 11:18 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Fri, 2009-10-30 at 00:08 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: The problem is that to leverage the full power of tracker, you need much deeper integration and its not practical to make it optional in those cases This is a

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Murray Cumming
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested had an opinion on GNOME module inclusion for Tracker. You can see the thread here:

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread John Stowers
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 20:04 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I think I'm with Zeeshan here. It looks like you should have some time to get some real world testing before putting it into the release. Do you guys have objection to that? Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't tracker 0.7 being

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Mittwoch, den 28.10.2009, 20:04 -0700 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna: So the current barriers I see is: [...] * release process should match with GNOME. As I see regular (weekly) releases at ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/tracker/0.7/ I don't see an issue at all with regard to that point.

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Juan A. Suarez Romero
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:27 +0100, John Stowers wrote: Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't tracker 0.7 being shipped in maemo 5? That seems like a pretty significant real world test case. Nopes. Maemo 5 comes with Tracker 0.6.95 J.A. ___

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Murray Cumming
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:44 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 28.10.2009, 20:04 -0700 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna: So the current barriers I see is: [...] * release process should match with GNOME. As I see regular (weekly) releases at

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Donnerstag, den 29.10.2009, 11:57 +0100 schrieb Murray Cumming: On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:44 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 28.10.2009, 20:04 -0700 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna: So the current barriers I see is: [...] * release process should match with GNOME. As I see

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Martyn Russell
On 29/10/09 03:04, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I think I'm with Zeeshan here. It looks like you should have some time to get some real world testing before putting it into the release. Do you guys have objection to that? Regarding real-world testing, yes, I think you're right. We are expecting

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Martyn Russell
On 29/10/09 09:27, John Stowers wrote: On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 20:04 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I think I'm with Zeeshan here. It looks like you should have some time to get some real world testing before putting it into the release. Do you guys have objection to that? Correct me if I am

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Martyn Russell
On 29/10/09 11:08, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 29.10.2009, 11:57 +0100 schrieb Murray Cumming: On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 10:44 +0100, Andre Klapper wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 28.10.2009, 20:04 -0700 schrieb Sriram Ramkrishna: So the current barriers I see is: [...] * release process

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
Hi, On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 28/10/09 23:23, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: I think assuming that a project has to be shipped by distros before it can be in GNOME or visa versa doesn't make sense. Distros ALWAYS ship what they want and they

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Martyn Russell
On 29/10/09 15:23, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Martyn Russellmar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 28/10/09 23:23, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: I think assuming that a project has to be shipped by distros before it can be in GNOME or visa versa doesn't make sense.

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Ruben Vermeersch
On do, 2009-10-29 at 17:21 +, Martyn Russell wrote: Working with 0.6 I've known nothing but pain (leaving aside all the political pressure I've been facing for making my app so dependent on Tracker) so please understand that I need some time to be sure that 0.7 is completely different

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Martyn Russell
On 29/10/09 18:20, Ruben Vermeersch wrote: On do, 2009-10-29 at 17:21 +, Martyn Russell wrote: From a devil's advocate point of view: this might just mean that it got worse (though I doubt it). Zeeshan raises concerns and while you go to great lengths to explain that it is different, there

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno gio, 29/10/2009 alle 01.23 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) ha scritto: IMO right now you should push on the distros to start shipping that (e.g Ubuntu Karmic still seem to have 0.6) and once distro and existing apps have competely moved to 0.7, all concerned parties will have a

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread David Zeuthen
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 22:25 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: But in previous GNOME release we accepted stuff like PolicyKit or DeviceKit or PulseAudio while not yet officially released or widely adopted. And those stuff was needed to be installed under /usr in order to properly work. I believe all

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 29/10/09 22:49, Sandy Armstrong wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Patryk Zawadzkipat...@pld-linux.org  wrote: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 10:51 PM, David Zeuthenda...@fubar.dk  wrote: Not to sound like an asshole

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 17:51 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 22:25 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: But in previous GNOME release we accepted stuff like PolicyKit or DeviceKit or PulseAudio while not yet officially released or widely adopted. And those stuff was needed to be

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Jerry Tan
Martyn Russell : On 29/10/09 21:51, David Zeuthen wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 22:25 +0100, Luca Ferretti wrote: But in previous GNOME release we accepted stuff like PolicyKit or DeviceKit or PulseAudio while not yet officially released or widely adopted. And those stuff was needed to be

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread David Zeuthen
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 22:49 +, Martyn Russell wrote: I believe all of these things are (optional) dependencies, not anything part of the GNOME desktop proper. Except for maybe PulseAudio. Solaris, for example, don't use any of this stuff. That's not true, we have a few Solaris people

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread David Zeuthen
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 19:38 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: this is all hypothetical. What matters is that people actually try it out then make judgements based on whether the current tracker gives a good experience. If people dont do this then the same arguments will be made whenever tracker is

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-29 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 23:13 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 19:38 -0400, Jamie McCracken wrote: this is all hypothetical. What matters is that people actually try it out then make judgements based on whether the current tracker gives a good experience. If people dont do

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-28 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
So, putting this conversation back on track: * What are the barriers for accepting tracker? * What do the tracker folks have to do to address them? I think we're all in agreement that an indexer is needed. sri On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Sandy Armstrong sanfordarmstr...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-28 Thread Alberto Ruiz
2009/10/28 Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me: So, putting this conversation back on track: * What are the barriers for accepting tracker? * What do the tracker folks have to do to address them? I think we're all in agreement that an indexer is needed. Just to mention, tracker is an

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-28 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
Hi, FWIW, as the maintainer of a project (Rygel) which started as a UPnP wrapper around Tracker an year and half ago, I don't think Tracker has yet proven itself worthy of being part of GNOME. Don't get me wrong, Tracker has been improving a lot lately and so far I really love the new 0.7 API

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-28 Thread Zeeshan Ali (Khattak)
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Ivan Frade ivan.fr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) zee...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,  FWIW, as the maintainer of a project (Rygel) which started as a UPnP wrapper around Tracker an year and half ago, I don't think

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-28 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
I think I'm with Zeeshan here. It looks like you should have some time to get some real world testing before putting it into the release. Do you guys have objection to that? So the current barriers I see is: * relative newness of the api - will it change further? You guys should have some

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Martyn Russell
On 27/10/09 03:34, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net mailto:ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 13:05 +0100 schrieb Martyn Russell: I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module. The GNOME release-team

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Martyn Russell
On 27/10/09 08:58, Martyn Russell wrote: On 27/10/09 03:34, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: For the desktop: * Totem - http://blogs.gnome.org/mr/2009/10/07/tracker-totem/ * Evolution * File system (of course) * Applications (desktop files) I forgot to mention Nautilus and GTK+ file chooser support

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 04:41:19PM +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: Hi Matthew, Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 17:05 +0100 schrieb Matthew Garrett: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 05:02:56PM +0100, Rob Taylor wrote: So we discussed this at the kernel-fixing-bof at GCDS. IIRC we basically decided that

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread John Carr
Hi, On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Martyn Russell mar...@lanedo.com wrote: On 27/10/09 03:34, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net mailto:ak...@gmx.net wrote:    Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 13:05 +0100 schrieb Martyn Russell:     I

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Martyn Russell
On 27/10/09 10:06, John Carr wrote: Hi, Hi, Maemo platform (I may have missed some cases): * Calendar * Bookmarks * Image Viewer * Media Player * Instant Messaging (I think) Could you expand on what this means?Is tracker being used as the primary store for calendar in Maemo

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Martyn Russell schrieb: On 27/10/09 03:34, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net mailto:ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 13:05 +0100 schrieb Martyn Russell: I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module.

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Shaun McCance sha...@gnome.org wrote: I get the impression that the focus is more on data storage than indexing these days.  I respect what the Tracker folks are trying to do, but I just need a good indexer to enable full-text search in Yelp. Wouldn't it make

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Martyn Russell
On 27/10/09 14:50, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: Martyn Russell schrieb: Carlos Garnacho and I did spend 2 or 3 days writing an application similar to spotlight - although it is just a quick mock up to demonstrate the speed and ability of Tracker and could do with some more love. The blog/video

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Martyn Russell
On 27/10/09 16:09, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Shaun McCancesha...@gnome.org wrote: I get the impression that the focus is more on data storage than indexing these days. I respect what the Tracker folks are trying to do, but I just need a good indexer to enable

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Sebastian Pölsterl
Martyn Russell schrieb: On 27/10/09 14:50, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: Martyn Russell schrieb: Carlos Garnacho and I did spend 2 or 3 days writing an application similar to spotlight - although it is just a quick mock up to demonstrate the speed and ability of Tracker and could do with some more

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 20:54 +0100, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: Martyn Russell schrieb: On 27/10/09 14:50, Sebastian Pölsterl wrote: Martyn Russell schrieb: Carlos Garnacho and I did spend 2 or 3 days writing an application similar to spotlight - although it is just a quick mock up to

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-27 Thread Sandy Armstrong
On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Jamie McCracken jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: Whatever shell is used in Gnome 3 will at some point likely provide an out of process applet system (especially if enough people scream!) This is simply not consistent with what the gnome-shell developers have

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-26 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 13:05 +0100 schrieb Martyn Russell: I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module. The GNOME release-team will soon decide about module inclusions for GNOME 2.30. To the GNOME developers: If you have not commented yet, if there is anything to add, if you

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-10-26 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Andre Klapper ak...@gmx.net wrote: Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 13:05 +0100 schrieb Martyn Russell: I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module. The GNOME release-team will soon decide about module inclusions for GNOME 2.30. To the GNOME

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-09-12 Thread Vincent Untz
Hi, Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 18:51 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 17:47 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit : On 18/08/09 17:44, Lennart Poettering wrote: I don't think it would be a good idea to use GNOME solely as a vehicle to make things more popular with other

Re: [Tracker] New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-26 Thread Adrien Bustany
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El 18/08/09 12:29, Maciej Piechotka escribió: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:24 +0200, Rodrigo Moya wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 18:16 +0200, Maciej Piechotka wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi all, So we recently

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 23:54, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:26 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : Le mardi 18 août 2009, à 20:19 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : We'll do our best and are committed to formulate our answers in a non-vague way and improve the communication of the project's

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
at low I/O priority, without unpleasantly degrading system performance. I imagine the sheer seek cost of pulling all those dentries, inodes into memory, and evicting all the other useful data you had around - is a big part of the plague. Hopefully btrfs will improve the situation somewhat

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:31:04 +0200 The tracker-store is a desktop service that offers the application developer a query capability against data that it stores. The data that it stores must be strictly defined by a schema (which is what in RDF is called an ontology). The schemas that we ship by

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 11:25 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: Hey Alan, thanks for your questions. The tracker-store is a desktop service that offers the application developer a query capability against data that it stores. The data that it stores must be strictly defined by a schema (which is what

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Rob Taylor
Alan Cox wrote: On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 19:31:04 +0200 snip Let me know if that was a helpful description for you. I tried hard not to sound like an old German philosopher ;-). One thing I couldn't quickly tell is whether you are always remembering the source of external information,

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
Tracker will store this if the applications request storage of it. The issue of protecting the user's personal data is left to the applications using it and the underlying operating system's security features. To a business deploying systems with this feature there are multiple issues - Need

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Sankar P
Not contributing to the core discussion. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Alan Coxa...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: I think there lies a misassumption. The actual indexing has a fairly high cost. The cost of extracting metadata while indexing ought to be relatively low in comparison. That argues

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Alan Cox
One short coming in this approach will be, It will cause a problem where multiple applications can be associated with a file-type, over a period of time. For instance, for .mbox files, the applications could vary like: Evolution, Mutt, Pine, Claws, Thunderbird, etc. And it is common among

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Rodrigo Moya
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 21:21 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 21:09, Patryk Zawadzki (pat...@pld-linux.org) wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: (I don't want to create the impression that I am opposed to the idea of

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Philip Van Hoof
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 13:07 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: One short coming in this approach will be, It will cause a problem where multiple applications can be associated with a file-type, over a period of time. For instance, for .mbox files, the applications could vary like: Evolution, Mutt,

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-19 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Dienstag, den 18.08.2009, 13:05 +0100 schrieb Martyn Russell: So I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module. Getting this back to inclusion requirements: - GNOME3 readiness: Please fix http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=581984 - I18N: Please fix

New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested had an opinion on GNOME module inclusion for Tracker. You can see the thread here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/tracker-list/2009-August/msg7.html The response was positive.

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 13:05, Martyn Russell wrote: Hi all, ... Dependencies about to be dropped but still needed: gmime lex yacc libraptor I forgot to add, librasqal will also be dropped soon (mentioned below). The git repository is here: http://git.gnome.org/cgit/tracker/ We import the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Emmanuele Bassi
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: The response was positive. So I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module. though I've seen the amount of work that has been done on it, I admit I'm still ambivalent on Tracker, and the fact that nobody has come clear with the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Luis Medinas
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: libxml = 0.6 libpng = 1.2 libuuid zlib dbus = 0.60 sqlite3 = 3.5 (built with --enable-load-extension) hal = 0.5 vala = 0.7.3 pango = 1.0.0 Is there plans to replace HAL by GIO or devicekit ? Hal will

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Luis Medinaslmedi...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:    hal = 0.5 Is there plans to replace HAL by GIO or devicekit ? Hal will be deprecated soon afaik. ...or rather by libgudev, there is no such thing as DeviceKit :)

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Nirbheek Chauhan
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Patryk Zawadzkipat...@pld-linux.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:57 PM, Luis Medinaslmedi...@gnome.org wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote:    hal = 0.5 Is there plans to replace HAL by GIO or devicekit ? Hal will be deprecated

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jürg Billeter
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:57 +0100, Luis Medinas wrote: Is there plans to replace HAL by GIO or devicekit ? Hal will be deprecated soon afaik. Richard Hughes has already ported the battery handling of Tracker to DeviceKit-power. It's used if available, otherwise HAL is used. The volume handling

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 13:42, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 13:05 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: The response was positive. So I would like to propose Tracker as a new GNOME module. though I've seen the amount of work that has been done on it, I admit I'm still ambivalent on Tracker, and

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 13:05, Martyn Russell (mar...@lanedo.com) wrote: Hi all, So we recently polled the tracker mailing list to make sure the core developers and others interested had an opinion on GNOME module inclusion for Tracker. You can see the thread here:

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is that indexer is not suitable for inclusion then the separate tracker-store should be considered for inclusion separately the store does not do any

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Martyn Russell
On 18/08/09 16:18, Jamie McCracken wrote: The indexer part is optional Well, right now it isn't but it will be at some point sure. The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is that indexer is not suitable for inclusion then

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is that indexer is not suitable for inclusion then the separate

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 11:18, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is that indexer is not suitable for inclusion then the separate

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Jamie McCracken
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 16:18 +0100, Martyn Russell wrote: On 18/08/09 16:18, Jamie McCracken wrote: The indexer part is optional Well, right now it isn't but it will be at some point sure. The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 18.08.09 17:20, Patryk Zawadzki (pat...@pld-linux.org) wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Xan Lopez
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 18.08.09 11:18, Jamie McCracken (jamie.mccr...@googlemail.com) wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Patryk Zawadzki
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Lennart Poetteringmzta...@0pointer.de wrote: Uh, generally bugs should be fixed, not worked around. Especially if they are as crucial as this one. Sure but getting a recursive inotify will likely take years as with most kernel features (= development time +

Re: New module proposal: tracker

2009-08-18 Thread Maciej Piechotka
On Tue, 2009-08-18 at 17:20 +0200, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Jamie McCrackenjamie.mccr...@googlemail.com wrote: The indexer part is optional The main part tracker-store is just a database with querying and is to be used by zeitgeist If the consensus is

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