Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jos van den Oever
2006/10/24, Jamie McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (okay here goes - now that I have looked up what an elevator pitch is! I will try to be brief...) What is it? Tracker is a personal search tool and storage system that allows you to search and enhance your personal data with the minimum of

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jos van den Oever
2006/10/23, Jamie McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jos van den Oever wrote: Hi all, Hi Jos, great to have you in on this discussion. Thanks Jamie, glad to join in. First to clarify, tracker is not a dedicated indexer (like Beagle and Strigi) but is first and foremost a database which has

Re: External Dependecies: xdg-utils ?

2006-10-24 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 14:13 -0500, Travis Watkins wrote: On 10/22/06, Luca Ferretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: xgd-utils is a set of command line tools: the recent 1.0 release includes: [snip] Don't these tools just call things already in GNOME to do their work? Yes they do. Using it would

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Alexander Larsson
On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 19:47 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: Be very careful with trying to put disparate kinds of data under the same storage. Read these articles: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog18.html http://www.jwz.org/doc/mailsum.html And then consider

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Alexander Larsson wrote: On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 19:47 -0500, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: Be very careful with trying to put disparate kinds of data under the same storage. Read these articles: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog18.html http://www.jwz.org/doc/mailsum.html

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Federico Mena Quintero wrote: http://www.jwz.org/doc/mailsum.html I know that Thunderbird and firefox are moving to sqlite for storage but Im not sure in thunderbird's case whether emails will be stored in sqlite or just the config/mork stuff. In another instance, BeOs tracker stored emails

Change Action Icons in Gnome

2006-10-24 Thread Paulo César Silva
Hi all, Where can i change the Actions Icons(logout, lock screen) ? I can't find the Path ?! Need Help. Thanks. Best Regards, Paulo César Silva -- ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Calum Benson
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 13:48 -0700, Sri Ramkrishna wrote: I'm in total agreement here. I've used the slab menu which is included in Ubuntu. For those who want to make useful comments about slab as it compares with the other menu setups can apt-get install gnome-main-menu on Edgy. My

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Don Scorgie
Hi, On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 13:09 +0100, Calum Benson wrote: On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 13:48 -0700, Sri Ramkrishna wrote: I'm in total agreement here. I've used the slab menu which is included in Ubuntu. For those who want to make useful comments about slab as it compares with the other menu

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Iain *
[3] If there is another way, I couldn't find it You can drag them from lots of places to the main menu and they'll be added. iain ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Don Scorgie
Hi, On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 00:07 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Jamie McCracken t-s-t uses the same code as g-s-t so it inherits the working code. Its a better search tool because it can show search snippets like google as well as providing high speed search.

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Don Scorgie
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 14:11 +0100, Iain * wrote: [3] If there is another way, I couldn't find it You can drag them from lots of places to the main menu and they'll be added. Thanks. Unfortunately, this still seems pretty weird to me. The Computer menu closes as soon as I click somewhere

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Don Scorgie wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 00:07 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Jamie McCracken t-s-t uses the same code as g-s-t so it inherits the working code. Its a better search tool because it can show search snippets like google as well as providing

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Sanford Armstrong
On 10/24/06, Don Scorgie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 00:07 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Jamie McCracken t-s-t uses the same code as g-s-t so it inherits the working code. Its a better search tool because it can show search

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Sanford Armstrong wrote: On 10/24/06, Don Scorgie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 00:07 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Jamie McCracken t-s-t uses the same code as g-s-t so it inherits the working code. Its a better search tool because it can

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Joe Shaw
Hi, Jamie McCracken wrote: I know that Thunderbird and firefox are moving to sqlite for storage but Im not sure in thunderbird's case whether emails will be stored in sqlite or just the config/mork stuff. Emails themselves are stored in mbox format. The summary format is Mork (and sqlite

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Joe Shaw
Hi, Jeff Waugh wrote: We have a pretty clear email from Joe about that, and what he needs to do to rectify the situation. Good news on this front: with the help of some Mono developers here at the Mono Summit, we've been able to reduce Beagle startup memory usage by a third, we've

Re: Change Action Icons in Gnome

2006-10-24 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno mar, 24/10/2006 alle 12.05 +0100, Paulo César Silva ha scritto: Hi all, Where can i change the Actions Icons(logout, lock screen) ? I can't find the Path ?! What do mean? ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Iain *
On 10/24/06, Don Scorgie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 14:11 +0100, Iain * wrote: [3] If there is another way, I couldn't find it You can drag them from lots of places to the main menu and they'll be added. Thanks. Unfortunately, this still seems pretty weird to me.

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread James Henstridge
On 19/10/06, Jamie McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross Burton wrote: Also, if I search for created by ross how does the system need to know that it should search File.Publisher, Audio.Artist, Audio.Performer, Doc.Author and Image.Creator? The naming scheme here is inconsistant and

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Dan Winship
On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 21:26 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: First to clarify, tracker is not a dedicated indexer (like Beagle and Strigi) but is first and foremost a database which has indexing as a side feature. Are there any *currently existing* GNOME applications that make use of tracker's

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 23:26 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: I think that the idea Ross is trying to get across here is that rather than having a flat namespace of metadata types, you want to have relationships between the metadata types (metadata about metadata). [snip] Yes, thanks James for

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Martin Soto
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 23:26 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: ... I think that the idea Ross is trying to get across here is that rather than having a flat namespace of metadata types, you want to have relationships between the metadata types (metadata about metadata). For example, we might

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 16:52 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: I have been thinking of allowimg all metadata to be registered with an optional hardcoded dublin core type(1) so we could use maybe dc.creator that would search all metadata registered against that type. You would not be able to

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:01 +0100, Ross Burton wrote: Would that satisfy you Ross? Why not allow all metadata types to specify that they specialise an existing metadata type, which obviously will bubble up to File.Creator being a specialisation of dc.Title? Dublin Core is a very useful

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Dan Winship wrote: On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 21:26 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: First to clarify, tracker is not a dedicated indexer (like Beagle and Strigi) but is first and foremost a database which has indexing as a side feature. Are there any *currently existing* GNOME applications that

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno gio, 19/10/2006 alle 03.10 +0100, Jamie McCracken ha scritto: Hi, We have just released a new stable version of tracker (0.5.0) which can be found here: http://www.gnome.org/~jamiemcc/tracker/tracker-0.5.0.tar.bz2 I would like to propose this for inclusion into Gnome 2.18 as

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Ross Burton wrote: On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:01 +0100, Ross Burton wrote: Would that satisfy you Ross? Why not allow all metadata types to specify that they specialise an existing metadata type, which obviously will bubble up to File.Creator being a specialisation of dc.Title? Dublin Core is

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno gio, 19/10/2006 alle 03.10 +0100, Jamie McCracken ha scritto: Hi, We have just released a new stable version of tracker (0.5.0) which can be found here: http://www.gnome.org/~jamiemcc/tracker/tracker-0.5.0.tar.bz2 I would like to propose this for inclusion

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread James Henstridge
On 24/10/06, Jamie McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross Burton wrote: On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 23:26 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: I think that the idea Ross is trying to get across here is that rather than having a flat namespace of metadata types, you want to have relationships between

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Mariano Suárez-Alvarez
Hi, On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:09 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: Dan Winship wrote: You talked about porting epiphany to store its bookmarks in tracker, but I can't find anything evidence either that (a) you've actually tried this yet and verified that it works well, the spec for that is

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno mar, 24/10/2006 alle 17.24 +0100, Jamie McCracken ha scritto: Luca Ferretti wrote: Il giorno gio, 19/10/2006 alle 03.10 +0100, Jamie McCracken ha scritto: Hi, snap * of course the patch don't include po/LINGUAS and po/ChangeLog files I forgot po/POTFILES.in

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Evandro Fernandes Giovanini
Em Ter, 2006-10-24 às 17:09 +0100, Jamie McCracken escreveu: The only thing slowing down further integration is getting into gnome or being an accepeted dependency - hopefully a chicken and egg situation can be avoided here Why don't you create a branch to work on Epiphany? Cheers,

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Calum Benson
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 13:43 +0100, Don Scorgie wrote: One of the cool features of the deskbar applet is showing options as you type. With the main menu, using search will open beagle with you're search terms. Not for me it won't-- I don't have beagle installed :) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
James Henstridge wrote: On 24/10/06, Jamie McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross Burton wrote: On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 23:26 +0800, James Henstridge wrote: I think that the idea Ross is trying to get across here is that rather than having a flat namespace of metadata types, you want to

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Luca Ferretti wrote: PPS what about a bugzilla entry? I asked for one about 6 months ago (I emailed the bugzilla team but got no reply) If anyone could help set up a bugzilla entry that would be great (or point me to the appropriate procedure) -- Mr Jamie McCracken

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Evandro Fernandes Giovanini wrote: Em Ter, 2006-10-24 às 17:09 +0100, Jamie McCracken escreveu: The only thing slowing down further integration is getting into gnome or being an accepeted dependency - hopefully a chicken and egg situation can be avoided here Why don't you create a

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno mar, 24/10/2006 alle 18.51 +0100, Jamie McCracken ha scritto: Luca Ferretti wrote: PPS what about a bugzilla entry? I asked for one about 6 months ago (I emailed the bugzilla team but got no reply) If anyone could help set up a bugzilla entry that would be great (or

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Ross Burton
On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 23:21 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: The main reason was I didn't like the way GNOME uses loads of different, inefficient and incompatible means of storing information (think Berkeley DB for EDS, MBox for emails, the zillions of small performance draining XML files used

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Ross Burton wrote: On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 23:21 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: The main reason was I didn't like the way GNOME uses loads of different, inefficient and incompatible means of storing information (think Berkeley DB for EDS, MBox for emails, the zillions of small performance

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 20:04 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: Only Files at the moment. We have preliminary Email support but its not complete yet. The Api would be specific to each object and would be analogous to the methods on a class. Can you point to the API in the source? I'm curious as

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Ross Burton wrote: On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 20:04 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: Only Files at the moment. We have preliminary Email support but its not complete yet. The Api would be specific to each object and would be analogous to the methods on a class. Can you point to the API in the

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Ross Burton
On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 21:33 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: Next up we would define the basic metadata or properties of the object (EG Contact.FirstName, Contact.Surname, Contact.EmailAddress etc along with their types) and add these to the metadata types table $ grep EVC_ e-vcard.h| wc

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Jamie McCracken
Ross Burton wrote: On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 21:33 +0100, Jamie McCracken wrote: Next up we would define the basic metadata or properties of the object (EG Contact.FirstName, Contact.Surname, Contact.EmailAddress etc along with their types) and add these to the metadata types table $ grep EVC_

gnome-open behavior reguarding .desktop files

2006-10-24 Thread Kevin Kubasik
As per the comment on bug 343896 I am forwarding this to this list for discussion. To summarize the bug, libgnome's gnome-open will open a .desktop file with a text editor, causing several applications (such as deskbar-applet) to open .desktop files, when it is more likely that the user was

Re: gnome-open behavior reguarding .desktop files

2006-10-24 Thread Tom Tromey
Kevin == Kevin Kubasik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Kevin Personally, I think that we should offer an API to execute .desktop file Kevin commands somewhere in the libgnome api, but maybe gnome-open isn't the Kevin place to do it? Please, all thoughts and commends welcome. There is an API for this

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread James Henstridge
On 25/10/06, Jamie McCracken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking of allowimg all metadata to be registered with an optional hardcoded dublin core type(1) so we could use maybe dc.creator that would search all metadata registered against that type. You would not be able to

Re: Proposing Tracker for inclusion into GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Hubert Figuiere
Summary files that provide offsets into an mbox or individual references to maildir files seem like the sanest way to go to me. (And this is what both Evolution and Thunderbird do.) The real downside is that those summary files are considered private, and aren't designed with

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread BJörn Lindqvist
On 10/24/06, Don Scorgie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 14:11 +0100, Iain * wrote: You can drag them from lots of places to the main menu and they'll be added. Thanks. Unfortunately, this still seems pretty weird to me. The Computer menu closes as soon as I click somewhere

Re: Proposal: gnome-main-menu for inclusion in GNOME 2.18

2006-10-24 Thread Sri Ramkrishna
On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 19:42 +0100, Iain * wrote: I like the use of colour to differentiate areas, I think we should do more of this in GNOME. Yes, same here. Colour seems to help highlight. I didn't find it as effective in the applications browser. While it was good using it to