Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v6)

2011-09-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
> them have gnome 3.0. > > In my opinion this survey should be published after gnome 3.2 is presented > to a larger audience, now that ubuntu 11.10 is going to have it, opensuse > 12.1 That would be what? December? I think that's too far, perhaps

GNOME user survey 2011 (v6)

2011-09-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
d change three things in GNOME, what would they be? === [free form] === 19. Do you have any comments or suggestions for the GNOME team? === [free form] -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v5)

2011-09-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 23:38 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> Here's the next version of the survey. Unfortunately, it seems this is >> not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10 >> questi

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v5)

2011-09-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:46 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 15:38, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Unfortunately, it seems this is >> not going to be blessed by GNOME, and questionpro.com only allows 10 >> questions in the free version. I haven'

GNOME user survey 2011 (v5)

2011-09-15 Thread Felipe Contreras
E, what would they be? === [free form] === 10. Do you have any comments or suggestions for the GNOME team? === [free form] -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
ting on my projects, and seems to match pretty much the feedback I receive through other methods. But I'm not going to try to convince you, I'm sure there's no objective measure that would change your mind. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-21 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 18:09 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: >> > On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 14:43 +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote: >> >>   I think his objections we

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Felipe Contreras
and not significant enough. If those tests are to be taken seriously, they should be published so that they can be scrutinized, otherwise they are not evidence of anything, not to the rest of the world. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list m

Re: Where is the data?

2011-08-20 Thread Felipe Contreras
alcor.net/2010/12/10/ubuntu-brainstorm-top-10-for-december-2010/ Here's some data, but I don't see any connection to GNOME 3 design. > [6] https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/Features/FixAnnoyingThings No data here either. -- Felipe Contreras _

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-20 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Benjamin Otte wrote: > Felipe Contreras gmail.com> writes: >> >> That doesn't change the fact that everyone understands the word "happy". > http://www.ted.com/talks/daniel_kahneman_the_riddle_of_experience_vs_memory.html

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-20 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Maciej Marcin Piechotka wrote: > On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >>> Likewise, >> >>> 'happy' will be thought of differently by different people (a very odd >> >>> word

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-20 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > >> What do you think? > > Keep in mind that Gnome 3 just hasn't been around for very long.  Right > now Gnome 3 is most likely only being used

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:26:08PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> > Yes, because you have no idea how big the population is. Maybe 10 >> > million is the total population and it's representative. Maybe it&#x

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> >> I am not being aggressive. All I am asking is for clarification; is >> there *anything* I could do to make the survey more acceptable to you >&g

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 19 August 2011 20:26, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> ...To me GNOME is hitting >> everything in the room as it's going forward, and saying; I'm fine, I >> know where I'm going... > > To me, t

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
ut what our users think then the only way to do that >> > is to >> > have professional involvement and a random sample set. >> >> Of course, and the only way to produce a kernel or desktop is to hire >> professionals to do it for you no doubt. > > If you wen

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 08:14:25PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> > Any survey that isn't a carefully controlled randomly selected sample of >&

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 19 August 2011 18:42, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> Sure, I just wanted to make things clear. In fact, if they cared about >> user feedback, there would be some numbers available somewhere, and I >> wouldn't have

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 08:03:45PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> I can only think of one reason why somebody would provide criticism >> without suggestions for improvement... > > 1. Because they cannot think of a g

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: > On Fri, 2011-08-19 at 19:42 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: >> > On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras >> > wrote: >> >> Is there anyon

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield wrote: >> > >> > Gathering feedback does not necessarily require an online user survey

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
n any way. If we > want to find out what our users think then the only way to do that is to > have professional involvement and a random sample set. This is not sucking any time and energy from anybody, I just need access to the server that has limesurvey installed, or somebody else can

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 19 August 2011 14:13, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> Is there anyone in the universe able to create a user survey worthy of >> GNOME? Can you convince him of doing so? > > Do your survey with the questions you want,

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Sam Thursfield wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wrote: >>> On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras >>> writes: >>> >>>>

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:42 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 19 août 2011 à 16:08 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : >> It's easy to throw empty criticism. Provide *suggestions*. > > Well, here’s a suggestion: since nobody knows how to address the correct > targ

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Frederic Muller wrote: > On 08/19/2011 09:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wrote: >>> On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras >>> writes: >>> >>>> That's a r

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Andy Wingo wrote: > On Fri 19 Aug 2011 13:33, Felipe Contreras > writes: > >> That's a reasonable alternative. How about "pleased"? Any other people >> have an opinion? > > You present yourself as reasonable by adjusting

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Allan Day wrote: > Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day wrote: >>> Felipe Contreras wrote: >>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) >>>> wrote: >>>&g

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >>>  I didn't say this so far because it might sound like I am trying to >>> make a joke but since you still insist on your assertions about

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Patryk Zawadzki wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Are you serious? That totally and completely speculative and >> unrealistic. Have you ever participated in making a survey? I have, as >> I have expla

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Allan Day wrote: > Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Nothing is

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 3:34 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 2:09 AM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras >>> wrot

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> >> Nothing is ever perfect, but having at least some results is better >> than nothing. > >  Since you have repeated this assertion a fe

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Felipe Contreras
othing is ever perfect, but having at least some results is better than nothing. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Felipe Contreras
gt; Before any survey, you should know how you are going to use the information > so that you can be sure to ask the right questions. Not necessarily. Again, asking a useless question doesn't hurt anybody. Of course, if you have better questions, those should be prioritized over the ones t

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Felipe Contreras
will be able to do very much with the answers to the > questions you ask below. It's going to be a lot of work for data that is not > useful. Let me try to explain. > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Here's the fourth version of the sur

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Felipe Contreras
> make that assumption only for us to find out, upon deployment, that > something was missed regarding the survey instrument, the > notifications, etc. How to do that? I assume cross-posting to multiple lists is discouraged. But yes, it would be great to get their feedback. -- Felipe Contreras

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Jason D. Clinton >> wrote: >>>> How about an application that pops notifications similar to this o

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-18 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:23, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Here's the fourth version of the survey, only tiny minor changes, it >> seems it's stabilized as there isn't many more comments. >> &g

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-17 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Here's the fourth version of the survey, only tiny minor changes, it >> seems it's stabilized as there isn't many more comments.

GNOME user survey 2011 (v4)

2011-08-17 Thread Felipe Contreras
ssfully * Yes, unsuccessfully * No, I don't know how * No, never had the need === 14. If you could change three things in GNOME, what would they be? === (free form) === 15. Do you have any comments or suggestions for the GNOME team? === (free form) -- Felipe Contreras

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > Questions 2, 6, 7, and 8 are still leading. See my last email for a > discussion of how to fix them. Feel free to propose alternatives. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailin

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v3)

2011-08-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
Hmm, forgot to change the subject. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Hi, > > Here's the third version of the survey. > > === 01. Which of the following images best resemble your desktop? === > (image selection) > >  * GNOME 2 >  * GNOME

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
don't know how * No, never had the need === 14. If you could change three things in GNOME, what would they be? === (free form) === 15. Do you have any comments or suggestions for the GNOME team? === (free form) -- Felipe Contreras ___ deskto

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
;m not sure if other people would agree, but I'll add it on the next version and see. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-02 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 6:51 PM, jose.ali...@gmail.com wrote: > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the >> proposed survey. >> >> There is a proposal to delay the s

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-02 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Luc Pionchon wrote: > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 18:35, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the >> proposed survey. >> >> There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2 i

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-02 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:08 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 18:35 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> After going through all the feedback, here's the second version of the >> proposed survey. >> >> There is a proposal to delay the survey until 3.2

Re: GNOME user survey 2011 (v2)

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
=== (free form) === 13. Do you have any comments or suggestions for the GNOME team? === (free form) -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 16:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: >> > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> But what if you get: >

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > (snipping a lot) > > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:45:11PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
only 1 person, or 90% of the users the ones who want some configuration. And there's many things you can do if you realize people desperately need more options; like enabling votes in bugzilla, a poll, an ideatorrent, etc. Or do you want to go ahead, assume people need more opti

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:24 PM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> But what if you get: >> 2% users answered 'Too many options' >> 10% users answered 'just enough' >> 88% users answered 'few opt

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras : >> >> From my understanding, no number has a statistical power of 0, any >> number will have statistical power greater than that. > > See, you start implying that whatever w

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
y want, but they definitely know what they don't want. Either way, you can ignore the results if you want, but perhaps other people might find them useful. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Florian Müllner wrote: > 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras >> >> Yes, but if a significant percentage of the people answer "not at >> all", or "somewhat", then the survey would be a bit wasted, since now >> you have to

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Christophe Fergeau >> wrote: >> > 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras : >> >> I other words, you are saying that it doesn't matter if 100% of the

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras : >> Would you like to rephrase the survey to don't assume the respondent >> is using GNOME, and then ask this question? >> == Which desktop environment are you currently using? ==

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 11:00:31AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> On Sun,

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 11:00 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> On Sun,

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Christophe Fergeau wrote: > 2011/8/1 Felipe Contreras : >> I other words, you are saying that it doesn't matter if 100% of the >> responders of this survey say GNOME has too few options, nothing would >> be done? Is there *any* kind of ev

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 12:49 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Mon, Aug 01, 2011 at 12:16:54AM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:11:34PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> Many of t

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-08-01 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Frederic Muller wrote: > On 08/01/2011 12:11 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> lately I've feeling that there's a lot of dissatisfaction >> with GNOME 3. > > I feel this is highly suggestive. Besides we knew 3.0 was a DOT ZERO > rel

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-07-31 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 07:11:34PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> Many of these are borrowed from the Git user survey. The results as >> you can see, can be quite interesting: >> https://git.wiki.kernel.org/in

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-07-31 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Last time I suggested something like this the response was not so >> great, but lately I've feeling that there's a lot of dissatisfaction &

Re: GNOME user survey 2011

2011-07-31 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:49 PM, Maciej Piechotka wrote: > On Sun, 2011-07-31 at 19:40 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: >> On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Felipe Contreras >> wrote: >> > It would be great if some sort of notification would popup directly on >>

GNOME user survey 2011

2011-07-31 Thread Felipe Contreras
ackOverflow or other StackExchange site + N/A (haven't requested help) + other (please specify) === 07. Does GNOME include code or documentation by you? === (single choice) * Yes * No === 08. Do you have any comments or suggestions for the GNOME team? === (free fo

Re: Relying on glib to publish gettext linker flags

2010-10-16 Thread Felipe Contreras
st glib. > Darwin's linker does not allow indirect symbol references. I really > need clean control over how/when/where gettext gets linked. > > I'd love to get this resolved so I know whether to bother filing bugs > when I find "uses gettext but doesn't specify

Re: External dependency proposal: Vala

2009-10-14 Thread Felipe Contreras
tches to tarballs, and have > the changes automatically rebuilt (even if that means having the vala > pre-processor installed in the buildroots). So? The package would include valac as a build dependency, and the distributed .c files will be replaced. I don't see what's the problem.

Re: GNOME Showstopper Review

2009-06-19 Thread Felipe Contreras
gi?id=494985 And proxy support is one of them (although it's a specific one) http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16034 -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: Platform

2009-05-18 Thread Felipe Contreras
ng you from using DAAP/DPAP on a Mac. > > This mail turned out to be a bit longer and rambling than I was hoping, > but the executive summary is this: at present, both are required, > depending on the situation. Why are we discussing UPnP vs mDNS? Isn't it like discussing USB vs Firewire? Ideally both should be supported. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-05-10 Thread Felipe Contreras
se agree with you completely. That's why it should be generated automatically when creating tarballs. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-07 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Elijah Newren wrote: >>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Felipe Contreras >>> wrote: >>>>

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-06 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Les Harris wrote: > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Would you fight to keep alive the branch Linus just found too crappy >> and just killed it? If a commit never made it to a release and >> probably never

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-06 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> On the other hand 'gnome-2-0' is not pointing to any release, there >> where commits after the last release. So my question here is: who

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-06 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 23:26 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Ross Burton wrote: >> > On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 12:27 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: >> >> Le mercredi 06 mai 2009, à

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-06 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Ross Burton wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 23:15 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> Are you going to argue that this branch is desirable to keep alive for >> all eternity? >> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gedit/log/?h=CORBA_ENABLED > > I t

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-06 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Ross Burton wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 12:27 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: >> Le mercredi 06 mai 2009, à 02:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : >> > Debian patches are debian patches, they control them, and they make >> > debian re

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-06 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le mercredi 06 mai 2009, à 02:21 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : >> Debian patches are debian patches, they control them, and they make >> debian releases. If GNOME decides to remove those commits the >> distributions

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:53 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le mercredi 06 mai 2009, à 01:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: >> > No. It points to the latest code in the 2.24 branch. There might be code >> > after

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 01:28 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: >> > Le mercredi 06 mai 2009, à 01:01 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : >> >> You don't need

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Frederic Peters wrote: > Felipe Contreras wrote: > >> You don't need a branch to make commits, tag them and push them. > > The current workflow is well understood, works well for translators > and other contributors, and is supported by al

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:04 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le mercredi 06 mai 2009, à 01:01 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : >> You don't need a branch to make commits, tag them and push them. >> >> $ git checkout PANGO_1_2_4 >> # make changes >> $ git commit -a

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le mercredi 06 mai 2009, à 00:48 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Robin Sonefors wrote: >> > On tis, 2009-05-05 at 23:10 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> >> >&g

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 23:47 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: >> > On 05/05/2009 04:12 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: > On Wed, 2009-05-06 at 00:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> [...] >> That's just how git works: branches and tags are mere pointers. >> The

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Robin Sonefors wrote: > On tis, 2009-05-05 at 23:10 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> Imagine someone who has been on a GNOME hiatus or is a new comer. What >> would be easier to understand? '1-2' or 'stable'? > &g

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:52:54PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: >> > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:10:42PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> > IMO y

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 11:10:42PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> > IMO you should make a good argument to switch, not the other way around. >> >> What I'm proposing makes things simpler. Do I need to make a g

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On 05/05/2009 04:12 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Behdad Esfahbod >>  wrote: >>>>> >>>>> case that's not a compelling argument; you can still h

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
gt; use for pango), it should be "1.2", not "1-2". Yeap, IMHO pango-1-2 < 1-2 < 1.2 < stable -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 10:53:55PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Vincent Untz wrote: >> > Le mardi 05 mai 2009, à 01:51 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : >> >> On Tue, May

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Vincent Untz wrote: > Le mardi 05 mai 2009, à 01:51 +0300, Felipe Contreras a écrit : >> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Marc-André Lureau >> wrote: >> > Hi >> > >> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Felipe Contreras >

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
ven have branch guidelines, but at least they have user repositories where I guess each developer can do whatever they want. So I think you should either allow moving branches such as 'za-transcoding-rework' or have personal repositories on git.gnome.org. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-04 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:21 AM, Marc-André Lureau wrote: > Hi > > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> [...] what is the point of having 'project' in the branch >> name? Branches are per-repository, so you would never have a non

Re: fast-forward only policy

2009-05-04 Thread Felipe Contreras
est a few official branch names like 'master' and 'devel', and a special two character prefix for personal branches like 'za-transcoding-rework' (Zeeshan Ali's personal branch), the rest would be up to the project to decide. Remember that in git, branches are just pointers (which usually increment automatically); it's very easy to create, rename, delete, and update the destination. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: R: git migration - svn:externals

2009-04-25 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Tim-Philipp Müller wrote: >>>>

Re: git commit messages

2009-04-25 Thread Felipe Contreras
ut a patch that was developed collaboratively by 4, or 5 people. A single 'committer' and 'author' field is not enough to represent what really happened. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-25 Thread Felipe Contreras
tic-smart-changelog-merging/ That applies only for 'git merge', not for other commands such as 'git am' or 'git rebase'. -- Felipe Contreras ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list

Re: On autogenerated ChangeLog

2009-04-25 Thread Felipe Contreras
n the > commit messages go into the patch and if you use git apply they will be > applied along with the patch. If it was generated with 'git format-patch', then yes, but AFAIK 'git apply' will not use it, you need 'git am' for that. Also, '

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