Re: [api-dev] OpenOffice.org Extensions - was Format for information file about templates and addons

2005-03-08 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Paolo Mantovani wrote:
Alle 09:35, lunedì 7 marzo 2005, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
Ian Laurenson wrote:
On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 21:58, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
Ian Laurenson wrote:
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 21:49, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
[snip]

Sure, the new SDK provides makefiles for creating UNO packages (both
component packages and script/library packages). I also have the first
running ant scripts and ideally would be an integrated wizard in
NetBeans and/or Eclipse.
[snip]

While it would be good to be able create UNO packages from external
IDEs, to me it would be even better if it were possible within
OpenOffice.org.
I assume you mean that it would be nice to export Basic libraries as UNO
packages, right?
Not just Basic libraries, my wish list includes: any graphics that are
being used, the associated help files, Python components, the xcu file.
mmh, i am not sure. I think this would maybe overload the functionality
and it is probably used by less than 0,1% of all users. Whereas the
function to simply install an extension is definitely helpful for users
to extend their office installation.

IMHO this used by less than 0,1% it's due to the fact that currently it's 
very difficult to deploy graphics or other resources whithin uno packages.
This operation infact, requires to write a custom configuration schema (xcs 
file) plus an xcu file in order to extend the OOo registry.
Furthermore you must write some not silly code to extract informations from 
your custom registry entries and finally for loading the graphics on the 
proper controls.
I would say that this is more a problem of missing documentation and 
examples. Private graphics for example can be accessed within the 
package as far as i know (i will check it and i will come back with the 
info). Own configuration schemes are only necessary if you have really 
configurable data in your component.

I'm sure that there are many peoples that would add some graphics to embellish 
their dialogs, much more than 0.1% of starbasic users.
Most probably they would like to deploy their work as uno package, but it's 
simply too difficult for almost all of them.
I agree for the Basic users, because they use the office as IDE for 
their macros and dialogs.
For all other languages (e.g. Java , C++) i would prefer some kind of 
integration (e.g. wizards) in popular IDE's like Eclipse or Netbeans for 
Java.

- Juergen


ciao
Paolo
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Re: [api-dev] OpenOffice.org Extensions - was Format for information file about templates and addons

2005-03-08 Thread Christian Junker
Hi Ian,
I am not a friend of licenses and I am not good at policies and stuff,
but I think that the Programmer's Guide cannot be edited by you,
because it is published under the Sun Microsystems flag.
That means that you probably need to make an agreement with Sun first.

Am I correct with this, Hamburg??

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Best Regards
Christian Junker

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:44:43 +1300, Ian Laurenson
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 On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 21:58, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
  Ian Laurenson wrote:
   On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 21:49, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
   [snip]
  
  Sure, the new SDK provides makefiles for creating UNO packages (both
  component packages and script/library packages). I also have the first
  running ant scripts and ideally would be an integrated wizard in
  NetBeans and/or Eclipse.
 [snip]
  
   While it would be good to be able create UNO packages from external
   IDEs, to me it would be even better if it were possible within
   OpenOffice.org.
 
  I assume you mean that it would be nice to export Basic libraries as UNO
  packages, right?
 
 Not just Basic libraries, my wish list includes: any graphics that are
 being used, the associated help files, Python components, the xcu file.
 
 [remainder snipped]
 
 Thanks, Ian
 
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Re: [api-dev] OpenOffice.org Extensions - was Format for information file about templates and addons

2005-03-07 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
Ian Laurenson wrote:
On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 21:58, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
Ian Laurenson wrote:
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 21:49, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
[snip]

Sure, the new SDK provides makefiles for creating UNO packages (both 
component packages and script/library packages). I also have the first 
running ant scripts and ideally would be an integrated wizard in 
NetBeans and/or Eclipse.
[snip]
While it would be good to be able create UNO packages from external
IDEs, to me it would be even better if it were possible within
OpenOffice.org.
I assume you mean that it would be nice to export Basic libraries as UNO 
packages, right?

Not just Basic libraries, my wish list includes: any graphics that are
being used, the associated help files, Python components, the xcu file.
mmh, i am not sure. I think this would maybe overload the functionality 
and it is probably used by less than 0,1% of all users. Whereas the 
function to simply install an extension is definitely helpful for users 
to extend their office installation.

- Juergen
[remainder snipped]
Thanks, Ian
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Re: [api-dev] OpenOffice.org Extensions - was Format for information file about templates and addons

2005-03-07 Thread Paolo Mantovani
Alle 09:35, lunedì 7 marzo 2005, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
 Ian Laurenson wrote:
  On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 21:58, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 Ian Laurenson wrote:
 On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 21:49, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 [snip]
 
 Sure, the new SDK provides makefiles for creating UNO packages (both
 component packages and script/library packages). I also have the first
 running ant scripts and ideally would be an integrated wizard in
 NetBeans and/or Eclipse.
 
  [snip]
 
 While it would be good to be able create UNO packages from external
 IDEs, to me it would be even better if it were possible within
 OpenOffice.org.
 
 I assume you mean that it would be nice to export Basic libraries as UNO
 packages, right?
 
  Not just Basic libraries, my wish list includes: any graphics that are
  being used, the associated help files, Python components, the xcu file.

 mmh, i am not sure. I think this would maybe overload the functionality
 and it is probably used by less than 0,1% of all users. Whereas the
 function to simply install an extension is definitely helpful for users
 to extend their office installation.


IMHO this used by less than 0,1% it's due to the fact that currently it's 
very difficult to deploy graphics or other resources whithin uno packages.
This operation infact, requires to write a custom configuration schema (xcs 
file) plus an xcu file in order to extend the OOo registry.
Furthermore you must write some not silly code to extract informations from 
your custom registry entries and finally for loading the graphics on the 
proper controls.

I'm sure that there are many peoples that would add some graphics to embellish 
their dialogs, much more than 0.1% of starbasic users.
Most probably they would like to deploy their work as uno package, but it's 
simply too difficult for almost all of them.


ciao
Paolo

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Re: [api-dev] OpenOffice.org Extensions - was Format for information file about templates and addons

2005-03-06 Thread Ian Laurenson
On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 21:58, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
 Ian Laurenson wrote:
  On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 21:49, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
  [snip]
  
 Sure, the new SDK provides makefiles for creating UNO packages (both 
 component packages and script/library packages). I also have the first 
 running ant scripts and ideally would be an integrated wizard in 
 NetBeans and/or Eclipse.
[snip]
  
  While it would be good to be able create UNO packages from external
  IDEs, to me it would be even better if it were possible within
  OpenOffice.org.
 
 I assume you mean that it would be nice to export Basic libraries as UNO 
 packages, right?

Not just Basic libraries, my wish list includes: any graphics that are
being used, the associated help files, Python components, the xcu file.

[remainder snipped]

Thanks, Ian


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Re: [api-dev] OpenOffice.org Extensions - was Format for information file about templates and addons

2005-03-04 Thread Christian Junker
How about updating the StarOffice 7 Programmer's Guide. I think this is 
the no.1 tutorial on Starbasic/OpenOffice Basic and could get an update, 
I think.
By update I mean not just possible corrections but also extending the 
guide with a few more examples.

Best Regards
Christian Junker
Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
Hi Ian,
Ian Laurenson wrote:
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 21:49, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
[snip]
Sure, the new SDK provides makefiles for creating UNO packages (both 
component packages and script/library packages). I also have the 
first running ant scripts and ideally would be an integrated wizard 
in NetBeans and/or Eclipse.
So if there are any volunteers who are familiar with one of the 
IDE'S and who are willing to investigate some time in this please 
let me know. I have a lot of ideas but didn't find the time until now.

While it would be good to be able create UNO packages from external
IDEs, to me it would be even better if it were possible within
OpenOffice.org.

I assume you mean that it would be nice to export Basic libraries as 
UNO packages, right?

[snip]

Where can I find the updated Developers Guide for OOo2.0?

It can be found in the Beta SDK and will be published soon on 
api.openoffice.org

Just checking that my understanding is correct: At the moment the
updated Developers Guide for OOo2.0 is in the Beta SDK, which is not yet
publicly available?

I think it will be available this week.
I am keen to help with the updated Developers Guide for OOo2.0 - is
there anything that I can do now?

No, not for this version, but you are welcome to review the guide and 
feedback is always welcome. As we all know the Devguide is probably 
more for core developers. I would like start the work on some shorter 
tutorials, for example 5 pager for add-ons in Java and one for C++. I 
think we need more documentation concentrating on certain aspects.

Thanks
Juergen
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Re: [api-dev] OpenOffice.org Extensions - was Format for information file about templates and addons

2005-03-03 Thread Ian Laurenson
On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 21:49, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
[snip]
 Sure, the new SDK provides makefiles for creating UNO packages (both 
 component packages and script/library packages). I also have the first 
 running ant scripts and ideally would be an integrated wizard in 
 NetBeans and/or Eclipse.
 So if there are any volunteers who are familiar with one of the IDE'S 
 and who are willing to investigate some time in this please let me know. 
 I have a lot of ideas but didn't find the time until now.
 
While it would be good to be able create UNO packages from external
IDEs, to me it would be even better if it were possible within
OpenOffice.org.

[snip]

  Where can I find the updated Developers Guide for OOo2.0?
 
 It can be found in the Beta SDK and will be published soon on 
 api.openoffice.org
 
Just checking that my understanding is correct: At the moment the
updated Developers Guide for OOo2.0 is in the Beta SDK, which is not yet
publicly available?
I am keen to help with the updated Developers Guide for OOo2.0 - is
there anything that I can do now?

[Remainder snipped]

Thanks, Ian


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