Re: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ... I think it's a good time for cleaning up what avalon did wrong, simplify as much as we can and tune it for our needs. But I'm wide open to suggestions, as long as we move away from avalon. A bit OT... I can't stand Cocoon not be able to build properly in Gump, and

RE: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: I'm trying to figure out what the current kernel already provides and what not. Let's forget all the xml (descriptors etc) for a moment. Imagine I want to write a block, that provides - let's say a special file generator -

Re: [cforms] Radio buttons across repeater

2004-04-06 Thread Marc Portier
Joerg, I realize that 'resting my case' is not enough... some ideas: this sounds like the operation 'selecting a row' should be an intrinsic feature of the repeater-widget to some extend we already have a means of selecting (multiple) rows by putting a checkbox in every row which results in

Re: [cforms] Radio buttons across repeater

2004-04-06 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 09:20, Marc Portier wrote: Joerg, I realize that 'resting my case' is not enough... some ideas: this sounds like the operation 'selecting a row' should be an intrinsic feature of the repeater-widget exactly my idea when I saw the message on users, +1 -- Bruno

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/web3/samples samples.xml

2004-04-06 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 00:55, Antonio Gallardo wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi dijo: Antonio Gallardo wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi dijo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: antonio 2004/04/05 05:25:36 Log: removing encoding=ISO-8859-1 Why? Since UTF-8 is the new standard, I thought it

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread roy huang
The XUL link bring a impressed application. But yes,90%(even more in my country) use IE,and it's almost impossible to persuade user throw IE away.But to developers or administrators it is different.Using Flash may offer great UI but still has some shortcoming: much slower compare standard html

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/web3/samples samples.xml

2004-04-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Bruno Dumon dijo: Are you sure about the converting them? The one file I checked seems to be not OK: src/blocks/forms/samples/messages/FormsMessages_fr.xml I made a change, please review the file on the CVS:

Re: Scheme Continuations vs Brakes Continuations was Re: Groovy support in Cocoon

2004-04-06 Thread Stephan Michels
Am Mo, den 05.04.2004 schrieb Christopher Oliver um 22:44: Why don't use (Object obj, Method method, Object[] args) in the constructor of the continuation object. That's a possible alternative, but makes prevents making Continuation an abstract class. Why should the continuation be

CForms v2 and bizData strange handling

2004-04-06 Thread Leszek Gawron
Hello, I've been looking at the v2 version of cforms and AFAIU there is no way to pass additional bizData to the showForm method. The only way is to do: form[bizData] = bizData; form.showForm( viewUri ); I find it very awkward. Let me give you the example. I have a page that contains a CForms

[PROPOSAL] allow to invoke continuations from flow instead of sitemap

2004-04-06 Thread Leszek Gawron
Hello, Christofer Oliver has written [1] that I should make a proposal so here it is: What do you think about the flow ability to call a continuation knowing the continuation id. It should look something like: contManager = null; try { contManager = cocoon.getComponent(

RE: [PROPOSAL] allow to invoke continuations from flow instead of sitemap

2004-04-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Leszek Gawron wrote: Hello, Christofer Oliver has written [1] that I should make a proposal so here it is: What do you think about the flow ability to call a continuation knowing the continuation id. It should look something like: contManager = null; try { contManager =

Logging all requests

2004-04-06 Thread Surjan Singh
Hello, I'd like to log all Requests so that we can record them for analysis. So, far the only way I think I can do this is to modify the method process(..) in org.apache.cocoon. In this method, I thought I could use a logging component (which has yet to be created) from the component manager

Re: [Javaflow] - Recalling a contianuation throws a NPE

2004-04-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Hi: Stephan Michels dijo: Uhmm, yes, you know that you CP the uri of an POST request? So in this case all request parameters get lost, and you got a NullPointerException. Yes it can look weird the idea of CP this URI, but in the real life we can find similar cases. Suppose I need to send the

Re: [PROPOSAL] allow to invoke continuations from flow instead of sitemap

2004-04-06 Thread Leszek Gawron
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 12:59:10PM +0200, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: - when one gets 2 continuation ids and chooses one basing on some external info Can you give an example, when you need this? - Just curious. Me ? Nowhere - that was just a rough example .. - when one wants to do

RE: [PROPOSAL] allow to invoke continuations from flow instead of sitemap

2004-04-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Leszek Gawron wrote: On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 12:59:10PM +0200, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: - when one gets 2 continuation ids and chooses one basing on some external info Can you give an example, when you need this? - Just curious. Me ? Nowhere - that was just a rough example ..

Re: [PROPOSAL] allow to invoke continuations from flow instead of sitemap

2004-04-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Leszek Gawron dijo: If you use IE (I do not know how other browsers handle this) if you serve a page without client cache turned off you make a security hole (IE caches everything and serves even after user has logged out). Very smart browser! ROTFL! See the code attached below. The main

Re: [PROPOSAL] allow to invoke continuations from flow instead of sitemap

2004-04-06 Thread Leszek Gawron
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 05:32:25AM -0600, Antonio Gallardo wrote: Leszek Gawron dijo: If you use IE (I do not know how other browsers handle this) if you serve a page without client cache turned off you make a security hole (IE caches everything and serves even after user has logged out).

Re: [PROPOSAL] allow to invoke continuations from flow instead of sitemap

2004-04-06 Thread Leszek Gawron
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 01:32:58PM +0200, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: That's true, but that are imho two different concerns: the page flow and the continuation handling. Now, perhaps someone else can help here a little bit. I discusses the contination handling in flow with Ovidiu a little bit

Re: [Javaflow] - Recalling a contianuation throws a NPE

2004-04-06 Thread Brian McCallister
I would highly suggest dropping in on #groovy on irc.codehaus.org for any assistance on the best way to plug it into Groovy, though I strongly suspect that a number of people there would jump on the chance to put continuations in the normal groovy distro -- and at least one of the people who

Re: [build system] - Fine grain inclusion of optional libs?

2004-04-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Joerg Heinicke wrote: On 05.04.2004 14:35, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: BTW, jstyle.jar might be only be of interest for the xsp block, so it can possibly be moved to this block. You can safely drop jstyle. What about

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/web3/samples samples.xml

2004-04-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Antonio Gallardo wrote: Joerg Heinicke dijo: On 06.04.2004 00:55, Antonio Gallardo wrote: Moreover, even if XML parsers are able to recognize encoding, it's very bad practice to have an XML file without the encoding property set. We have the default enconding that is UTF-8 in

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
roy huang wrote: snip what=CForms in XUL/ WDYT? I think it's time to see some examples. If one of you guys who knows XUL can produce XUL skin for CForms and/or other interesting examples, I'm sure they will be included as part of Cocoon samples app. Vadim

Widget Labels, Re: disabling widgets

2004-04-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Vadim Gritsenko wrote: Also, what do you think about something to allow generation of labels? Currently, widget-label does not produce any label at all... Actually, that's not a generator/transformer problem, but something wrong with ft:widget-label. It should produce a

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/forms/java/org/apache/cocoon/forms/flow/javascript Form.js

2004-04-06 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
leo leonid wrote: On Apr 3, 2004, at 9:35 PM, Sylvain Wallez wrote: leo leonid wrote: On Apr 3, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Joerg Heinicke wrote: On 02.04.2004 19:42, leo leonid wrote: ... The problem is, that you only cancel standard validation. But you get stuck if you have a additional custom

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Bruno Dumon
I'm wondering though what the value of this is. The main advantage of CForms is to handle the typical problem of HTML forms: the form needs to be redisplayed in a loop until everything's valid. This is because the browser is a stupid client which we need to send a new page after each interaction.

Re: CForms v2 and bizData strange handling

2004-04-06 Thread Tim Larson
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 12:30:03PM +0200, Leszek Gawron wrote: In v2 I have to do something like this: form = new Form( definition ); form[ globalAppContext ] = getGlobalAppContext(); form[ user ] = getLoggedInUser(); form[ userContext ] = getContextForUser( getLoggedInUser() ); form[

Re: CForms v2 and bizData strange handling

2004-04-06 Thread Leszek Gawron
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 02:14:24PM +0100, Tim Larson wrote: On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 12:30:03PM +0200, Leszek Gawron wrote: In v2 I have to do something like this: form = new Form( definition ); form[ globalAppContext ] = getGlobalAppContext(); form[ user ] = getLoggedInUser();

Re: [Javaflow] - Recalling a contianuation throws a NPE

2004-04-06 Thread Stephan Michels
Am Di, den 06.04.2004 schrieb Antonio Gallardo um 13:12: Hi: Stephan Michels dijo: Uhmm, yes, you know that you CP the uri of an POST request? So in this case all request parameters get lost, and you got a NullPointerException. Yes it can look weird the idea of CP this URI, but in the

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Stephan Michels
Am Di, den 06.04.2004 schrieb Bruno Dumon um 14:49: I'm wondering though what the value of this is. The main advantage of CForms is to handle the typical problem of HTML forms: the form needs to be redisplayed in a loop until everything's valid. This is because the browser is a stupid client

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/web3/samples samples.xml

2004-04-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Vadim Gritsenko dijo: Antonio Gallardo wrote: Joerg Heinicke dijo: On 06.04.2004 00:55, Antonio Gallardo wrote: Moreover, even if XML parsers are able to recognize encoding, it's very bad practice to have an XML file without the encoding property set. We have the default enconding that

Re: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: I'm trying to figure out what the current kernel already provides and what not. Let's forget all the xml (descriptors etc) for a moment. Imagine I want to write a block, that provides - let's say a special file

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 6 avr. 04, à 14:49, Bruno Dumon a écrit : I'm wondering though what the value of this is. The main advantage of CForms is to handle the typical problem of HTML forms: the form needs to be redisplayed in a loop until everything's valid. This is because the browser is a stupid client which we

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Tim Larson
On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 02:49:26PM +0200, Bruno Dumon wrote: I'm wondering though what the value of this is. The main advantage of CForms is to handle the typical problem of HTML forms: the form needs to be redisplayed in a loop until everything's valid. This is because the browser is a

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Bruno Dumon dijo: I'm wondering though what the value of this is. The main advantage of CForms is to handle the typical problem of HTML forms: the form needs to be redisplayed in a loop until everything's valid. This is because the browser is a stupid client which we need to send a new page

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Bertrand Delacretaz dijo: Le 6 avr. 04, à 14:49, Bruno Dumon a écrit : I'm wondering though what the value of this is. The main advantage of CForms is to handle the typical problem of HTML forms: the form needs to be redisplayed in a loop until everything's valid. This is because the

RE: Logging all requests

2004-04-06 Thread Ralph Goers
I was just looking into this over the last week. Unfortunately, neither the process method or anything in CocoonServlet provide a hook to log or capture the kind of statistics you want. In my case, I am adding some JMX statistics. The only way I see to do it, short of modifying one of the classes,

RE: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: :) Sounds good to me. Now what do you think of using the things from Avalon that are good (for us)? Now, I think, some of the interfaces (for logging, contextualization, initialization) are good and we could directly use them instead of building just a

DO NOT REPLY [Bug 28095] - [Portal] portal-html-eventlink deletes enctype attribute

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Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 16:01, Antonio Gallardo wrote: Bruno Dumon dijo: I'm wondering though what the value of this is. The main advantage of CForms is to handle the typical problem of HTML forms: the form needs to be redisplayed in a loop until everything's valid. This is because the

LuceneIndexTransformer bug?

2004-04-06 Thread Niels van Kampenhout
Using the LuceneIndexTransformer, I discovered that elements containing a numeric value are sometimes (not always) not stored by the transformer, although the attribute lucene:store has been set to true in de input for the transformer. Example: blah lucene:store=true13/blah is not stored.

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Bruno Dumon wrote: I'm wondering though what the value of this is. The main advantage of CForms is to handle the typical problem of HTML forms: the form needs to be redisplayed in a loop until everything's valid. This is because the browser is a stupid client which we need to send a new page

JXTemplateTransformer jx:set/ doesnt work!

2004-04-06 Thread Stephan Coboos
Hello, this construct doesn't show me the the content of the variable: jx:set name=foo value=bar/ ${foo} This should print out bar but it doesn't!! Why? Is it another bug in JXTemplateTransformer or did I something wrong? Please help me. Regards Stephan

Re: CForms v2 and bizData strange handling

2004-04-06 Thread Christopher Oliver
Leszek Gawron wrote: snip none of these is strictly connected to the form (the only one is the rowset displayed as the form controls invoke actions that change this part of view). In v2 I have to do something like this: form = new Form( definition ); form[ globalAppContext ] =

Re: JXTemplateTransformer jx:set/ doesnt work!

2004-04-06 Thread Stephan Coboos
Ohh. I'am sorry. I had used attribute name instead var. It works fine! Thank you. Regards Stephan

RE: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 16:20, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: :) Sounds good to me. Now what do you think of using the things from Avalon that are good (for us)? Now, I think, some of the interfaces (for logging, contextualization, initialization) are good

Re: CForms v2 and bizData strange handling

2004-04-06 Thread Christopher Oliver
Tim Larson wrote: On Tue, Apr 06, 2004 at 12:30:03PM +0200, Leszek Gawron wrote: In v2 I have to do something like this: form = new Form( definition ); form[ globalAppContext ] = getGlobalAppContext(); form[ user ] = getLoggedInUser(); form[ userContext ] = getContextForUser(

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 16:36, Sylvain Wallez wrote: snip/ Don't agree ;-) One area where CForms can (and must) improve is client-side validation. This has already been discussed, maybe it's time to consider implementing it. If we look at the elements composing a Form, some of them

Re: disabling widgets

2004-04-06 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 13:28, Sylvain Wallez wrote: snip/ So, I propose the following changes to Cocoon forms: - add a state to widgets (enabled/disabled/hidden). - move to a generator approach. WDYT? For the generator-approach, a good starting point would be to commit it to CVS and add or

Re: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Geoff Howard
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: :) Sounds good to me. Now what do you think of using the things from Avalon that are good (for us)? Now, I think, some of the interfaces (for logging, contextualization, initialization) are good and we could directly use them instead of

Re: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: :) Sounds good to me. Now what do you think of using the things from Avalon that are good (for us)? Now, I think, some of the interfaces (for logging, contextualization, initialization) are good and we could directly use them instead of

Re: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Carsten Ziegeler wrote: ... I strongly suggest that we start with org.apache.cocoon.* to avoid these problems down the road (including, yes, gump problems) Yes, I understand of course all these problems, but I'm really afraid of changing all the components now from Avalon interfaces to Cocoon

Re: disabling widgets

2004-04-06 Thread Christopher Oliver
Bruno Dumon wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 13:28, Sylvain Wallez wrote: snip/ So, I propose the following changes to Cocoon forms: - add a state to widgets (enabled/disabled/hidden). - move to a generator approach. WDYT? For the generator-approach, a good starting point would be to commit

Re: disabling widgets

2004-04-06 Thread Bruno Dumon
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 18:19, Christopher Oliver wrote: Bruno Dumon wrote: On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 13:28, Sylvain Wallez wrote: snip/ So, I propose the following changes to Cocoon forms: - add a state to widgets (enabled/disabled/hidden). - move to a generator approach. WDYT?

RE: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Leo Sutic
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nicola Ken Barozzi So what do others think? Cocoon components will never work putside of Cocoon. But will non-Cocoon components work inside of Cocoon? If so, with how much work in adapting? Or can a general adapter be written that uses

Re: Cocoon and Hibernate

2004-04-06 Thread Mark Lundquist
On Apr 5, 2004, at 11:31 AM, Hugo Burm wrote: I have been thinking about a Hibernate block on cocoondev.org. That would be great! I've been working on getting your Hibernate+Woody sample working for: Cocoon 2.1.5_dev Hibernate 2.0, w/ minimal changes to hibernate.properties (just the dialect

Saxon, xQuery, and Cocoon..

2004-04-06 Thread Ellson, Jared
Hi! Has anyone written a generator to use Saxon 7.9s xQuery processing or wired in xQuery support into Cocoon some other way? If you could you please provide some examples/details on how? J Thanks! Jared

Re: disabling widgets

2004-04-06 Thread Christopher Oliver
Bruno Dumon wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 18:19, Christopher Oliver wrote: Bruno Dumon wrote: snip For the generator-approach, a good starting point would be to commit it to CVS and add or change an example to show how it works. I've done this for the V2 flowscript sample.

Re: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: ... I strongly suggest that we start with org.apache.cocoon.* to avoid these problems down the road (including, yes, gump problems) Yes, I understand of course all these problems, but I'm really afraid of changing all the components now from

Re: cvs commit: cocoon-2.1/src/blocks/forms/java/org/apache/cocoon/forms/flow/javascript Form.js

2004-04-06 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 06.04.2004 14:13, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: The problem is, that you only cancel standard validation. But you get stuck if you have a additional custom validation step. If so, this feature is more or less deprecated though there was no official decision made about this until now, but Sylvain

[QVote] remove JStyle

2004-04-06 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 06.04.2004 13:52, Vadim Gritsenko wrote: It does not provide much value - how many times have you looked into the generated XSP code? And how important for you was formatting of this generated code? I'm ok with keeping it, but, for myself, I have it disabled (and jstyle.jar removed). I

Re: Logging all requests

2004-04-06 Thread Joerg Heinicke
Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't there an access.log? Joerg On 06.04.2004 16:12, Ralph Goers wrote: I was just looking into this over the last week. Unfortunately, neither the process method or anything in CocoonServlet provide a hook to log or capture the kind of statistics you want. In

RE: Logging all requests

2004-04-06 Thread Ralph Goers
Sure there is. But that doesn't necessarily integrate too well with JMX or necessarily for what Surjan wants to do. -Original Message- From: Joerg Heinicke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 2:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Logging all requests Maybe I'm

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Re: [Kernel22] How to develop a component?

2004-04-06 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Carsten Ziegeler wrote: ... I strongly suggest that we start with org.apache.cocoon.* to avoid these problems down the road (including, yes, gump problems) Yes, I understand of course all these problems, but I'm really afraid of changing all the

Re: [cforms] Radio buttons across repeater

2004-04-06 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 06.04.2004 09:20, Marc Portier wrote: Joerg, I realize that 'resting my case' is not enough... some ideas: this sounds like the operation 'selecting a row' should be an intrinsic feature of the repeater-widget Yes, sounds reasonable. In light of the above we could even consider sending

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Joerg Heinicke
On 06.04.2004 16:36, Sylvain Wallez wrote: Bruno Dumon wrote: I'm wondering though what the value of this is. The main advantage of CForms is to handle the typical problem of HTML forms: the form needs to be redisplayed in a loop until everything's valid. This is because the browser is a stupid

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Joerg Heinicke
Hello Corin, I would be really interested what means XUL in production for your company. We have created a remote web application with XUL almost a year ago: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xml-cocoon-devm=106448994624522w=4. The mentioned URL is no longer online as the company is dead. The

RE: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Corin Moss
Hi, Our internal content management system - incorporating Web, Teletext and (shortly) on-air TV systems uses XUL as a rich interface. Basically our user requirements meant that a flat web-based CMS wasn't suitable. And I was loathe to go forward with an HTML / Javascript based rich interface.

Re: [RT] - XUL revisited....

2004-04-06 Thread Antonio Gallardo
Joerg Heinicke dijo: Another important difference at least for XUL is it's templating mechanism. Supply the data as RDF and the XUL page builds up the form itself. This would replace forms-samples-styling.xsl co. But it would not make CForms superfluous. I even see no request/response cycles