Upayavira wrote, On 10/07/2003 11.18:
Have we fixed the various other emails that come to the list, such as patch
summaries?
Oops, not yet. Thanks for the reminder... (and I need to put up the
scripts too).
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on what's changed and
(maybe) add a stylesheet converting the new output to the old one.
3. Just make a new one with a different name. Java has still IO but can
also use NIO and JNDI...
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addy on that website somewhere
will you take care of that?
OK, I've sent him a mail.
More than one have already notified on the newsgroups.
@see gmane.discuss and gmane.discuss.subscribe newsgroups.
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a different paradigm for the flow; FSMs are a a totally different
way of approaching the problem IMHO.
What I would like to see? BSF support for continuations, and the use of
this BSF from Cocoon. If someone has some time to spare...
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considers the best
idea of his entire life is not even barely understood :-(
Nemo profeta in patria.
Usually if people don't understand you, or you're saying stupid things,
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote, On 16/07/2003 0.31:
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let code speak for me.
YAY! :-D
@see
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(and wrote the documentation too, finally)
So, this seems to be a valid alternative.
What do others think?
It's all about using Ant final or not. Put a vote with:
- use as now
- monolithic
- separated but with Ant nightly
Ir else we will continue swinging back and forth.
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+hardware, and I agree. In
fact I'd like to switch to python as it makes more sense and I can run
it on Apache HW with no problem.
The question is: where to put it?
How to set it up?
Does it make sense to put it in the Gump script invocations?
Please help, TIA
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote, On 24/07/2003 15.14:
On Wednesday, Jul 23, 2003, at 04:06 America/Guayaquil, Nicola Ken
Barozzi wrote:
As some know, I have put a service based on Ant on my server that
weekly downloads from Bugzilla the patches of Cocoon, formats them in
text, and sends them
blogging tool.
+1
Marc is working intensively on the binding and flowscript integrations
of Woody and cares a lot about Cocoon.
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and Requests
in the content as Request data.
This is basically what I'd like to see. :-)
[Made with Jave: http://www.jave.de/]
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Sylvain Wallez wrote, On 29/07/2003 9.35:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
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Basically we usually have (1):
snip what=nice ascii art/
Yeah, Jave truly rocks. I found it googling some days back, and since
then I got addicted. Really awesome.
Can you explain what context is ?
Oops, sorry, sometimes
Gianugo Rabellino wrote, On 30/07/2003 9.13:
I want to propose Guido Casper ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) as a new Cocoon
committer.
Guido has done a lot of work
...
Please cast your votes.
+1
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http://blog.xesoft.com/jon.lipsky/blog/Java/?permalink=workflow_viewlets.html
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and it downgrades nicely).
looking very nice, thanks!
On Firebird 0.6 the links are so sml...
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote, On 31/07/2003 14.27:
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I've updated it now using px instead of em, (the
only way to route around the DPI screen incompatibilities between win
and mac)
please check if this works for you.
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, it talks about how they think performance can be
increased, and talk about SEDA, that Avalon is slowly embracing. Maybe
Avalon should push more on it, dunno.
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(java.text.SimpleDateFormat.new(dd/MM/), someDate)
Usually when I use jxpath I use this though, it makes it much easier:
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/jxpath/apidocs/org/apache/commons/jxpath/PackageFunctions.html
Ugo (still searching for the perfect template language)
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Bertrand Delacretaz wrote, On 08/08/2003 22.58:
BUILD SUCCESSFUL
Total time: 44 minutes 8 seconds
compiling by hand, maybe?
;-)
ROTFL!!!
Reminds me of when we joked about my old computer running on coal... ;-)
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Sylvain Wallez wrote, On 14/08/2003 14.30:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Jeff Turner wrote, On 14/08/2003 14.17:
...
Isn't the problem there that a map:read is a whole little pipeline
unto
itself? If it were broken into two atomic operations:
map:generate type=binary src=foo.doc/
map:serialize
as soon as I come back from my
vacations (that is, from tomorrow until Sep. 1st).
Why not Jelly?
I mean, it can reuse most taglibs, from Ant and JSTL, it's easy to add
tasks, is XML-based (hence validates)... really, why not?
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=2
As for javascript AOP, read this:
[AOP Fun with JavaScript]
http://freeroller.net/comments/deep?anchor=aop_fun_with_javascript
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relieving the Cocoon
community in these issues.
Use Forrest, a prepackaged and starter-friendly Cocoon. :-)
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Logkit
EOL in favor of log4j, and the log4j community accepted the challenge of
bridging the last differences still remaining.
Why is this point much different from the one Robert is talking about?
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Vadim Gritsenko wrote, On 28/08/2003 14.00:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
snip/
*IMPORTANT* (and the reason why I started the RT):
So in he CLI, instead of asking for the link view and then generate, I
simply ask Cocoon to insert a transformer that gathers links in the
same positions where
us
the features we need.
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote, On 28/08/2003 17.27:
On Wednesday, Aug 27, 2003, at 17:41 Europe/Rome, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Calling a resource, inserting a virtual pipeline and using the
cocoon: protocol are for most uses equivalent.
I agree when you say that since the introduction of the cocoon
Berin Loritsch wrote, On 29/08/2003 17.25:
The new Cocoon should be able to use the new Fortress container. This
should
have little to no impact on component writers. It boasts faster
startup, and
it provides easier component definition. I will be happy to do the work.
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) and changing
them with new more standard and future-compatible contracts.
The change is not insignificant, but the damage seems very slight
for non-core Cocoon developers.
+1 for 2.2 switching to Fortress
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Carsten Ziegeler wrote, On 03/09/2003 12.01:
...
As I'm going on vacation starting saturday (yeah), I propose
to do the release this friday.
+1
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in the
scratchpad in a scratchpad block, and it also helps in making the build
more consistent with the fact that they will become blocks anyway.
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as a committer to the Avalon project. I think he has proven to have a
desire to work with our existing vision, and demonstrates competency in
development. I value his input, and I think he can make a good addition
to the Avalon community.
VOTE:
[ ] +1
[ ] -1
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or even
better CVS module where alpha blocks or features are done
3) partition commit acces like this:
1) only core cocoon committers can commit to the core
2) all committers have access to Lenya, Forrest and Blocks
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require a community vote with a majority.
Such stamping should be done thru the use of a digital certificate so
that the block deployer can say this is a block certified by the cocoon
community as final.
This is a novel and interesting proposal. I think we should try it. +1
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this is a good point.
I can set up autodownload of dependency jars quite easily, so that we
don't keep jars in CVS but only download them when building.
If nobody objects...
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, it has different objectives. The only thing that makes Maven and
Centiepde compete is that it's more than Ant, that's all.
These are my two cents, anyway.
Anyway, this is my last comment on this matter.
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, so 1.6 is out of question for now. (Unfortunately
as it has this nice import feature...).
The vote to release 1.6 has been done and has been positive, also with
import, and it's rolling out the beta, stay tuned.
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everyone over the age of 30 will benefit from.
Now *that's* it. I'm only 29 ;-)
/quote
This is clearly overstated. I'm over 30 and have been using Cocoon for
almost 2 years now and have only noticed at best half of those
benefits! ;)
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.
What should instead be seen, is how to make Cocoon be based *on*
Fortress and be usable *in* Merlin.
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Berin Loritsch wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
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Because while deploying an avalon block in cocoon might make sense,
deploying a cocoon block in merlin wouldn't make any sense at all.
Exactly the point.
Cocoon is not a generic container, it's a very specific
in the proper space.
I'm fixing all the changes-todo-status-developers-etc stuff in Forrest,
so I'll add this to the list.
There is a section about incompatible changes that Forrest is already
using that could be of interest.
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Andrew Savory wrote:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
The question is, what problem are we trying to solve?
AIUI, tracking serious feature requests.
And what's the problem, currently? AFAIK it's more about having people
to do stuff rather than seeing what to do ;-)
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without having to wait too long on our improved doc management system -
if an incremental path like above works it might help us get started.
Please don't forget Forrest.
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Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Le Samedi, 11 oct 2003, à 14:25 Europe/Zurich, Nicola Ken Barozzi a écrit :
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
...We can then build all kinds of navigational structures, trails,
multiple tables of contents, beginners/advanced, whatever (again
picking up on wiki idea
.
:-)
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redirects from the previous link to the new one.
Of course, we can do this *if* we don't create different pages at the
same old locations, unless we generate URIs following site.xml instead
of the file structure (I do not reccomend ATM).
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Oh well, there is a lot of work to do, and I've just begun (*)!
(*) getting off projects I went to the core, and finally I'm free to
think and code again! :-)
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by someone. :-D
These are the times when I'm happy I get these from a newsgroup on gmane
and get to download only the headers! :-
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tool just to publish news about Cocoon, there is Linotype.
Note that all that we publish on our website should be under the
oversight of the PMC, so we would need sort-of commit messages for the blog.
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tried to start this process, but somewhere the thing
stuck. If others are willing to give a hand, please say so, and we will
try to get a more concerted action.
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Steven Noels wrote:
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I'm all +1 for rules, but they must make sense and not be used as
some political weapon.
:-(
I'm out of this discussion. As I said, I'm on forrest-dev. Ciao.
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move incrementally from there on.
What I see is that metadata in the docs cannot and should not totally
replace a centralized bell-written site.xml, but can nicely complement it.
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Reinhard Poetz wrote:
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...if anybody thinks Berin shouldn't do it he should speak *now*!
:-$
;-)
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Steven Noels wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
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Because of this, I propose Unico Hommes as a Cocoon committer.
I was a bit confused by the difference between your subject and your
mail body.
Hahaha :,-D it seems that I'm unable to conceal my inner feelings.
I'm +1 with both, actually. So
Robert Simmons wrote:
Such hostility to Java on a Java newsgroup ... weird.
I think it's more about hostility to recreating things on an opensource
software list. Reuse is much appreciated in opensource.
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himself.
Welcome aboard! :-)
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move it over to lenya-dev to avoid mailbombing people that don't really
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, and we'll
see if the issues are still there.
In any case I'll hang around to see how things are proceeding, and help
from a users's POV.
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for the timing.
There is a way of getting around this by using JNI and calling the
correct stuff. If you Google round you will sure find something.
Probably there is something at www.javaworld.com.
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Upayavira wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
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Then add a test run target to the ant buildfine and make sure Gump
runs it daily.
That's the thing. Write a test target...
What shape would a CLI test target take?
IMHO the first easy thing to do is to rely on Forrest, that uses Cocoon
?
Oh, my, again with style issues :-/
http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/resolutions/res001.html
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Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
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The benefit of this community is that nobody is really attached to
his/her code. We value challenges and wild thinking more than we value
self pride.
Hey, don't touch my bugs! Oops I meant code ;-)
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in the same
situation as Lenya (ie publishing under incubator or current place and
redirecting from the other site), as long as the logo is changed to be
the one of the Incubator Project and not that of the final proposed
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it clear that the cheap knock-off at
Microsoft is in no way endorsed by Apache :/.
IMHO the worst thing about it is not the name.
They are recreating XUL with their vocabulary, but worst of all, they
are going to use a superset of SVG for drawing!
Embrace-extend-kill :-(
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repository, like the Cocoon scratchpad, to do it. At least we could have
watched it grow, and he would have not been slowed with community as
he now likes to say ;-) In any case, he's free to do so if he wishes,
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Michael Wechner wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
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[about doco]
it's not CVS or SVN yet, but AFAIK Stefano updated recently
http://wiki.cocoondev.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Doco
Excellent! :-)
Thanks Michael for reporting.
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David Crossley wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
David Crossley wrote:
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My concern was not necessarily that Forrest should be doing it,
but rather that Forrest was born to do that, then lost its people,
then had to modify its dreams. Let us get it right this time.
Well, this is not exactly how
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
On 1 Dec 2003, at 08:26, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
What I don't really understand is that he is not using a public Apache
repository, like the Cocoon scratchpad, to do it.
I am!!!
Yes, sorry for misunderstanding.
As I tried to say I'm +1 to your work all the way
modules, ie exactly the same
thing that is now done with blocks, but that would not change later into
real blocks.
Is it ok if I move it to a modules section and add the build of
modules as for blocks?
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Sylvain Wallez wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
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This seems wrong, as blocks are to be hot-deployed by Cocoon, and this
is instead an integral part of Cocoon that must be in the classpath
before Cocoon starts.
For this, it was initially thought to use modules, ie exactly the
same thing
, regardless of the names and of the future directory structure, the
ParanoidStuff is not a block, and will never be a real block. We can
change the layout later, but IMHO it makes sense to differentiate right
now the two types of compilation units.
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to be fixed:
http://gump.try.sybase.com/project_todos.html
Here are all modules having problems:
http://gump.try.sybase.com/module_todos.html
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it, I'll add it.
To be precise you should just add the libraries that are needed for the
build. If they are all the ones in cocoon, fine.
Gump just needs what Java needs, no more, no less. It just needs to be
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to throw out (GeneratorSelector) for which we need to come up with
something new.
I've also taken a look at what would be involved for putting back the
treeprocessor because componentized processor won't be stable for a
while.
It seems like the description of 3.0 to me...
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with Saxon 6.5.3 in Forrest and I get a NPE :-(
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J.Pietschmann wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
But... I swapped Xalan with Saxon 6.5.3 in Forrest and I get a NPE :-(
That's not unusual. Did you use the most recent Cocoon?
Almost. It's some quite recent dev version.
I suppose there are no document() calls in the style sheet,
There are. I'm
with a sub-dir
scenario in mind. Forrest is a good example of this, as we use several
subsitemaps, all in the same dir.
What IMHO would make more sense, instead, is something like:
map:select type=resource-exists base=foo/
map:when test=bar/file1.xml
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components in a generic Avalon container.
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Michael Gerzabek wrote:
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BTW does anyone know how ant can do loops?
http://ant-contrib.sourceforge.net/tasks/foreach.html
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especially in the code-knowledge area, and some can collect data exactly
like logging does, without manually stepping through each call.
Bottom line: the debugger and logging statements are nice hammers, but
not all nails are created equal ;-)
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it seems that usual errors are handled in the
main wiki pipeline. I tried putting @failsafe=false, but to
no avail.
How can I make all parsing/lexing errors get thrown to
handle-errors?
TIA
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syntax, but then the 'exception' generator outputs nothing.
Any idea, something I can check?
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Stephan Michels wrote:
Am Do, den 22.01.2004 schrieb Nicola Ken Barozzi um 16:45:
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It goes through handle-errors, and the error selector actually selects
syntax, but then the 'exception' generator outputs nothing.
Any idea, something I can check?
The FlowSript redirects to the internal
Stephan Michels wrote:
Am Do, den 22.01.2004 schrieb Nicola Ken Barozzi um 18:12:
Anyway, I move the handle-errors in the main sitemap, and there it gets
called. It even selects the map:when test=syntax, because if I put
in there a simple notifier I get the report.
But putting in there even
://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10402950241r=1w=2
Cool, you still keep a reference to that thread. I think we agree that
time has come to wrap this up, right? ;-)
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Stephan Michels wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
How come with the wiki stuff with
{{{
source
code
}}}
I get this output:
pre
source
code
/pre
Any way to not make double linefeeds appear?
Hmm, where does this behaviour occur? Windows?
I use only W2000, and it occurs
Stephan Michels wrote:
Am Mo, den 02.02.2004 schrieb Nicola Ken Barozzi um 12:11:
Stephan Michels wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2004, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
How come with the wiki stuff with
{{{
source
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