Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 10/19/06, Ross Gardler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...But is there any need for the news item to be sent to the live server immediately? I don't think so. A daily update will do just fine. For now use the Forrest generated tar, or a maven generated tar if someone sets it up... You're right,

Forrest zone auto startup (was: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here)

2006-10-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 10/20/06, David Crossley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Forrest doesn't have automatic httpd restart and the zones machine goes down a lot... Note that, altough Solaris apparently has something new and improved, the old rc*.d stuff does work. On the cocoon zone we have created the usual

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-20 Thread David Crossley
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Steven Noels wrote: What those Belgian guys ? however (in)frequently murmured amongst themselves was: why the ? stupid fixation with SVN as a required content repository for ? official ASF documentation sites? Why can't cocoon.apache.org simply ? be a proxy for

Writing and managing news releases (was Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here)

2006-10-20 Thread Ross Gardler
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On 10/19/06, Ross Gardler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...But is there any need for the news item to be sent to the live server immediately? I don't think so. A daily update will do just fine. For now use the Forrest generated tar, or a maven generated tar if someone

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-19 Thread hepabolu
Ross Gardler said the following on 18/10/06 23:36: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: [news items] Guys, I wholeheartily welcome your ideas of news items and I fully agree with Ross that they should be entered in Daisy directly. If Daisy can be configured to auto-publish after a delay, that's great.

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 10/18/06, Ross Gardler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Which publishing tool to use? I don't care. Forrest does it well (but it does need a new skin,... Is there a way to republish only a few pages quickly from Daisy to the online site? Or how hard is that to implement? Without going into a

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 10/19/06, hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...Let's focus on improving/extending the actual documentation content first. Just to clarify my understanding of the current discussion: IIUC, Arje's point is to make the homepage and one or two news pages much more lively, and concentrate

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 10/19/06, hepabolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I'm not into the full details of the update process of the site, but if we're only updating a few pages (home and news), is it possible to just extract those and put them directly onto cocoon.apache.org without going through the svn process?...

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-19 Thread Ross Gardler
I wrote a reply to Bertrands post then read the thread and discovered Reinhard is going to set up continuum. Seems like we have a volunteer and since I'm only giving ideas not implementation time you'd all be best to ignore the rest of this post ;-) Ross Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-19 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Ross Gardler skrev: Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: ... Second we need some (simple) way to suggest news. I think we should suggest possible news items at the dev-list by having a special headers prefix like [news]. I'd suggest just letting (self-registered) people add a news item to Daisy.

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-19 Thread David Crossley
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: ... (http://forrest.zones.apache.org/ seems to be down right now, cannot check it size but I assume it's quite big). Grrr, Forrest doesn't have automatic httpd restart and the zones machine goes down a lot. So it is manual restart. I just did it and updated the notes

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread Reinhard Poetz
Arje Cahn wrote: I just have to share my frustrations. snip/ Arje, I share your frustrations and agree to many of the points you raised. It's not that nothing happens - Helma and I made good progress at the GT. See http://cocoon.zones.apache.org/daisy/cdocs/1201.html and

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 18 October 2006 03:51, Steven Noels wrote: What those Belgian guys   however (in)frequently murmured amongst themselves was: why the   stupid fixation with SVN as a required content repository for   official ASF documentation sites? Why can't cocoon.apache.org simply   be a proxy

RE: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread Arje Cahn
Steven said: What those Belgian guys however (in)frequently murmured amongst themselves was: why the stupid fixation with SVN as a required content repository for official ASF documentation sites? I can see the benefits of having all content (replicated) in SVN. But in principle,

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Thanks Arje for starting this thread. And, despite your (justified) negative view on the current state of our website, big thanks to those who have been investing lots of time trying to make it happen over the years. Few of us have been really paying attention, it's easy to make a lot of noise

RE: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread Arje Cahn
Bertrand said: Thanks Arje for starting this thread. :-) And, despite your (justified) negative view on the current state of our website, big thanks to those who have been investing lots of time trying to make it happen over the years. Few of us have been really paying attention, it's

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 10/18/06, Arje Cahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...This is NOT AGAIN another website, it should be the Cocoon main website... Cool - if you can be enough of a pain to make this happen, I'll put you on my I-owe-you-a-beer list ;-) -Bertrand

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread hepabolu
Bertrand Delacretaz said the following on 18/10/06 13:56: Thanks Arje for starting this thread. +1 Guys, since the documentation is my main focus, I want to chime in here. Re the redesign of the website: I haven't discussed this much with Reinhard, but my intention was a new revamped

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread Ross Gardler
hepabolu wrote: I know that the current process of updating the cocoon.apache.org website is cumbersome, but still it's a whole lot better than the previous process. I really don't care if it takes one step or twenty, if in the end all I need to do is set a timer that reminds me to provide my

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread Daniel Fagerstrom
Arje Cahn skrev: ... The discussion about a new design for our website is great, but I feel there are much bigger mistakes that we have to get straightened out before the shinyness of our website is of any importance. We need to decide where we put what, as it's currently spread all over

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-18 Thread Ross Gardler
Daniel Fagerstrom wrote: we have plenty of activity in our community, so a couple of news items per month would be a much better reflection of our reality. So how do we achieve this? Some options (which don't require new tools): Daisy can be used to create blog like pages that can be

[RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-17 Thread Arje Cahn
Hi all, I just have to share my frustrations. oOo- I got 2 emails from people that were very disappointed that they both missed out on the GT because they were only watching the Cocoon website. One of them mentioned that his manager no longer wants him to use Cocoon since the

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-17 Thread Steven Noels
On 17 Oct 2006, at 20:05, Arje Cahn wrote: - Documentation (sorry, Helma). So, it was Stefano's dream to once have a Cocoon CMS and run the Cocoon website with it. I don't think part of this dream was to tuck it away on a hidden location so it will be forgotten forever. How embarissing it

Re: [RANT] The Cocoon website: move on, nothing is happening here

2006-10-17 Thread Jorg Heymans
Arje Cahn wrote: I just have to share my frustrations. Thanks for this! The discussion about a new design for our website is great, but I feel there are much bigger mistakes that we have to get straightened out before the shinyness of our website is of any importance. We need to decide