Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-16 Thread Steven Noels
On 13 May 2005, at 17:44, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: Problem is, ATM I don't think anyone has a sizeable chunk of up-to-date consistent content to contribute. I'd love to be proven wrong though. If someone could come up with that (in any structured format - we do conversions don't we?), I'd be

Re: [daisy] Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-15 Thread Ross Gardler
[Originally sent pnly to Daisy list in error, did,'t realise the original mail had been cross posted] Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Steven Noels wrote: ... In perfect do-ocracy, who makes it work first, gets my vote. :-) I'm not sure it's enough to get your vote as there is still more to do, but I

Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Steven Noels
On 12 May 2005, at 17:21, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: But it's also true that editing xml files in a svn repository sucks as an editing tool. Using wiki (or daisy or other solutions) is much better. I like the notion of daisy - forrest - out makes very good sense. It does, yet there's obvious

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Steven Noels wrote: ... What do people think? I think that we need people that write documentation, not a tool. I'll think about it again when we have 10 doc writers sending patches and files that we are not able to manage. For now converting all documentation files to plain html and adding a

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Steven Noels wrote: On 12 May 2005, at 17:21, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: But it's also true that editing xml files in a svn repository sucks as an editing tool. Using wiki (or daisy or other solutions) is much better. I like the notion of daisy - forrest - out makes very good sense. It does,

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Sylvain Wallez
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Steven Noels wrote: ... What do people think? I think that we need people that write documentation, not a tool. I'll think about it again when we have 10 doc writers sending patches and files that we are not able to manage. We'll never have 10 doc writers without tools

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Steven Noels
On 13 May 2005, at 12:01, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Steven Noels wrote: ... What do people think? I think that we need people that write documentation, not a tool. Of course, that's why I'm suggesting to take a look at the low-hanging fruit. I'll think about it again when we have 10 doc writers

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Steven Noels
On 13 May 2005, at 12:30, Sylvain Wallez wrote: IMO the problem is more political or sentimental than technical. Yes, and that's why I won't push. But I'm feeling our pain. Note that I don't question the value of Daisy nor the good intentions of you OT folks, but I want to point out the

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Steven Noels wrote: ... Again, I'm not pushing - consider me a dis-interested, yet friendly party. I'm quite convinced though that documentation committers are currently passively discouraged by the patch/mail mechanism. Remember what started the Cocoon Wiki? Content (Leigh Dodds) + platform

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Ross Gardler
Sylvain Wallez wrote: Steven Noels wrote: On 12 May 2005, at 17:21, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: But it's also true that editing xml files in a svn repository sucks as an editing tool. Using wiki (or daisy or other solutions) is much better. I like the notion of daisy - forrest - out makes very

Re: [daisy] Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Ross Gardler
Steven Noels wrote: On 12 May 2005, at 17:21, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: But it's also true that editing xml files in a svn repository sucks as an editing tool. Using wiki (or daisy or other solutions) is much better. I like the notion of daisy - forrest - out makes very good sense. It does, yet

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Le 13 mai 05, à 12:36, Steven Noels a écrit : ...I'm quite convinced though that documentation committers are currently passively discouraged by the patch/mail mechanism... Sounds right. But there is another part of our docs which is still incomplete: the autogenerated reference docs, created

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Steven Noels wrote: On 12 May 2005, at 17:21, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: But it's also true that editing xml files in a svn repository sucks as an editing tool. Using wiki (or daisy or other solutions) is much better. I like the notion of daisy - forrest - out makes very good sense. It does, yet

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Steven Noels wrote: ... What do people think? I think that we need people that write documentation, not a tool. I can hardly disagree more. I wrote my blog *before* I wrote its posts. Without it, I could have written them by hand, but god, that always made me go nah.

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Sebastien Arbogast
I think that we need people that write documentation, not a tool. I can hardly disagree more. I wrote my blog *before* I wrote its posts. Without it, I could have written them by hand, but god, that always made me go nah. MDR ! This discussion is really funny. No offense guys but I feel

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Stefano Mazzocchi
Sebastien Arbogast wrote: I think that we need people that write documentation, not a tool. I can hardly disagree more. I wrote my blog *before* I wrote its posts. Without it, I could have written them by hand, but god, that always made me go nah. MDR ! This discussion is really funny. No offense

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Sebastien Arbogast
What we need is simplicity in the workflow. Simplify the workflow, tuning the simplicity to those people that are more likely to write, and content will start flowing in (as the wiki shows very well). Sebastien, this is not a funny discussion. Those who think that Word is always more

Re: Forrest Daisy integration scenarios

2005-05-13 Thread Ross Gardler
Sebastien Arbogast wrote: What we need is simplicity in the workflow. Simplify the workflow, tuning the simplicity to those people that are more likely to write, and content will start flowing in (as the wiki shows very well). .. So I think that there is a third criteria we have to integrate in