On Fri, 2023-08-04 at 19:01 +0300, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:53 PM wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2023-08-04 at 15:26 +0300, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > I was contemplating sending a really short email
> > > to committers@ with the $subj. Who should I talk
> >
On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:53 PM wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2023-08-04 at 15:26 +0300, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I was contemplating sending a really short email
> > to committers@ with the $subj. Who should I talk
> > with to get this done (or convince myself that
> > an email to a different
On 2023-08-04 16:02, rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
But the current setting is objectively awful, and so far I have not
heard even one person saying that it's better. I'm perplexed as to why
we'd want to even suggest, much less encourage, remaining with the
current setting.
The current defaults
On Fri, 2023-08-04 at 06:46 -0700, Craig Russell wrote:
> I agree with Mark.
>
> > On Aug 4, 2023, at 02:36, Mark Thomas wrote:
> >
> > I suggest the following:
> >
> > - announce to projects that the default is changing in X days /
> > weeks
> > (or even months) time
> > - provide
I agree with Mark.
> On Aug 4, 2023, at 02:36, Mark Thomas wrote:
>
> I suggest the following:
>
> - announce to projects that the default is changing in X days / weeks
> (or even months) time
> - provide instructions for what projects need to do before then to keep
> the existing format
On Fri, 2023-08-04 at 15:26 +0200, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
> +1. Looks way better.
Updated draft, for the sake of having it in the archive:
Subject: Mailing list threading improvements
Dear {Committers/members of the Apache PMCs},
TL;DR: We’re updating how auto-generated email from Github will be
+1. Looks way better.
On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 3:21 PM Christofer Dutz
wrote:
>
> Hi all and especially Rich …
>
> I love your version … and yes … I really need to focus more on the “what you
> get”
> and less on “why where you’re at sucks” sort of narrative ;-)
>
> Chris
>
>
> Von: Peter
Hi all and especially Rich …
I love your version … and yes … I really need to focus more on the “what you
get”
and less on “why where you’re at sucks” sort of narrative ;-)
Chris
Von: Peter Hunsberger
Datum: Freitag, 4. August 2023 um 15:06
An: dev@community.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [DRAFT]
On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 7:45 AM wrote:
> Ok, I propose this alternative approach - more on the "here's how
> things are getting better" tone than the "Here's how things were awful"
> tone, and half the length:
>
>
>
>
> Subject: Mailing list threading improvements
> To: dev@
>
> Dear
On Fri, 2023-08-04 at 15:26 +0300, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I was contemplating sending a really short email
> to committers@ with the $subj. Who should I talk
> with to get this done (or convince myself that
> an email to a different ML is better ;-))?
It's definitely hard to know
On Fri, 2023-08-04 at 08:45 -0400, rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
> Ok, I propose this alternative approach - more on the "here's how
> things are getting better" tone than the "Here's how things were
> awful"
> tone, and half the length:
Note: Draft lives here:
Ok, I propose this alternative approach - more on the "here's how
things are getting better" tone than the "Here's how things were awful"
tone, and half the length:
Subject: Mailing list threading improvements
To: dev@
Dear Apache project developers,
TL;DR: We’re updating how
Hi Roman,
Have you thought about asking Chat GPT where to post it? ;-)
(duck and cover)
Chris
Von: Roman Shaposhnik
Datum: Freitag, 4. August 2023 um 14:26
An: ComDev
Betreff: Short Email to committers@ highlighting our generative AI/tools
guidance
Hi!
I was contemplating sending a really
Hi!
I was contemplating sending a really short email
to committers@ with the $subj. Who should I talk
with to get this done (or convince myself that
an email to a different ML is better ;-))?
Thanks,
Roman.
-
To unsubscribe,
As discussed offline, I feel like the tone of this messaging is wrong. Give
me a bit to get to my desk and I will propose an alternate draft.
Shosholoza,
Rich
On Fri, Aug 4, 2023, 04:43 Christofer Dutz
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here comes a draft for an email I would like to send out.
>
> Not quite
On 2023-08-04 11:52, Jarek Potiuk wrote:
Few comments:
* make it shorter
* add TL;DR; explaining in one paragraph what it is about, what effect
it will have on those who receive it
* add - immediately after that - mentioning that while the change is
coming by default to everyone, everyone has a
Few comments:
* make it shorter
* add TL;DR; explaining in one paragraph what it is about, what effect
it will have on those who receive it
* add - immediately after that - mentioning that while the change is
coming by default to everyone, everyone has a way to go back easily
(and link to a doc
Hi Sebb.
Le ven. 4 août 2023 à 11:29, sebb a écrit :
>
> This was not a fair poll
Sure.
[But suggestions to organize a fair (thus official?) poll are usually ignored.]
> - it was not open long enough.
> Also it is not representative; participation on this list is not
> required of projects.
>
Hi all,
and thanks Mark and Jarek. I fully agree with what you said.
And regarding the email: Tthat’s why I proposed in the draft email a time a few
weeks in the future
(but not too many) and added links to what a project would need to do to keep
things the way they are.
If a project deeply
I personally think if it is super easy to change back, I see no
problem with making the change. "Ask for forgiveness not for
permission".
It already happened in the past that someone in the past "forced" the
projects to use previous defaults by the fact of defining it.
What was the process when
On 04/08/2023 10:28, sebb wrote:
This was not a fair poll - it was not open long enough.
Also it is not representative; participation on this list is not
required of projects.
And people participating in the discussion are likely to be in favour.
I don't think Comdev should be making decisions
This was not a fair poll - it was not open long enough.
Also it is not representative; participation on this list is not
required of projects.
And people participating in the discussion are likely to be in favour.
I don't think Comdev should be making decisions on behalf of other projects.
Note:
NAK - I don't think the defaults should be changed; instead provide
docs on how to do so
Don't force projects to change if they don't want to
On Wed, 2 Aug 2023 at 07:46, Christofer Dutz wrote:
>
> Well,
>
> stating the obvious, I’ll add my +1 ;-)
>
> And yes Craig, I said the defaults … if you
Hello.
Sorry to be somewhat off-topic but it relates to the message contents...
See inline comment.
Le ven. 4 août 2023 à 10:43, Christofer Dutz
a écrit :
>
> Hi,
>
> Here comes a draft for an email I would like to send out.
>
> Not quite sure which audience we should choose … committers,
On Fri, 4 Aug 2023 at 09:44, Christofer Dutz wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Here comes a draft for an email I would like to send out.
>
> Not quite sure which audience we should choose … committers, (p)pmcs?
(P)PMCs, but see below.
> Also, not quite sure about the timeframe? As I know Infra merges PRs on
Hi,
Here comes a draft for an email I would like to send out.
Not quite sure which audience we should choose … committers, (p)pmcs?
Also, not quite sure about the timeframe? As I know Infra merges PRs on
Thursdays, I would propose the 17th of August 2023 as date for the change to be
made.
chrisdutz merged PR #126:
URL: https://github.com/apache/comdev-site/pull/126
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