Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-15 Thread Carlos Santana
I'm back from vacation, sorry I missed all the fun on version numbering :-) +1 on 4.x for CLI Things I see as to continue to enhance. - Better explain each component and how they relate (in function and dependency) on the website/docs - Put some of the brains into the cli to better illustrate

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-15 Thread Steven Gill
Agree with your points Carlos. We should make issues for some of this. Would love to see a cordova outdated command. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Carlos Santana csantan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm back from vacation, sorry I missed all the fun on version numbering :-) +1 on 4.x for CLI

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-14 Thread Steven Gill
Lgtm! Ship! I'll point to it in the blog post. On Monday, October 13, 2014, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: After all this discussion, it's a bit unclear to me where we are currently at. So I took a shot at capturing it in writing it for coho/docs/ versioning-and-release-strategy.md.

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-14 Thread Marcel Kinard
Pull request has been merged. Thanks for the feedback. On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote: Lgtm! Ship! I'll point to it in the blog post. On Monday, October 13, 2014, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: After all this discussion, it's a bit

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-13 Thread Marcel Kinard
After all this discussion, it's a bit unclear to me where we are currently at. So I took a shot at capturing it in writing it for coho/docs/versioning-and-release-strategy.md. https://github.com/apache/cordova-coho/pull/53 I intend this to be the Current State of the discussion, not the End

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-13 Thread Andrew Grieve
Thanks Marcel, doc spells things out very clearly. On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com wrote: After all this discussion, it's a bit unclear to me where we are currently at. So I took a shot at capturing it in writing it for coho/docs/

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
for the next release :) On 10/9/14, 3:01 PM, Chuck Lantz cla...@microsoft.com wrote: +1 -Chuck -Original Message- From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here, in the next couple hours, otherwise we move

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
- From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone is completely

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Treggiari, Leo
- From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:49 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary As is 4. This is more of an outreach, marketing, blogging, tweeting, etc problem

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
: Independent platform release summary With this direction, there is no single number. Users should not functionally care about CLI version, so there will just be the platform versions that matter, really. Downstreams can of course put labels on combinations of versions, so PhoneGap 4 may

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here, in the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward. @purplecabbage

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
, it doesn't seem as if that should matter. Leo -Original Message- From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:49 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary As is 4

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Brian LeRoux
-Original Message- From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Treggiari, Leo
1:47 PM To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary With this direction, there is no single number. Users should not functionally care about CLI version, so there will just be the platform versions that matter, really. Downstreams

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Joe Bowser
: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here, in the next couple hours, otherwise we move forward

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Victor Sosa
- From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
- From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Jesse
, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Andrew Grieve
Message- From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Shazron
] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Steven Gill
: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice it here, in the next couple hours, otherwise we move

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Josh Soref
:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0 they voice

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Michal Mocny
: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary I'll have to admit that this seems a bit weird. That is, independent versions of the CLI and platforms, with a Cordova release named

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Jesse
To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone is completely against 10.0.0

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-10 Thread Chuck Lantz
-Original Message- From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Michal Mocny
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Thanks everyone for participation in what was a long and grueling discussion. Summary of current proposal: - Cad-ver is dead. - Everything moves Sem-ver, with platforms continuing from current versions and diverging

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Treggiari, Leo
To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary With this direction, there is no single number. Users should not functionally care about CLI version, so there will just be the platform versions that matter, really. Downstreams can of course put

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Chuck Lantz
- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary I’ll have to admit that this seems a bit weird. That is, independent versions of the CLI and platforms

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Steven Gill
-Original Message- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary I'll have to admit that this seems a bit weird. That is, independent versions

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Terence M. Bandoian
, but the CLI bug can't. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 -Chuck -Original Message- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary I'll have

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Shazron
Message- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary I'll have to admit that this seems a bit weird. That is, independent versions of the CLI

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Steven Gill
. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 -Chuck -Original Message- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary I'll have to admit

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Chuck Lantz
@cordova.apache.org Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now. Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the version of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward 10.0.0

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
and allows independent platform rev'ing. -Chuck -Original Message- From: Steven Gill [mailto:stevengil...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:13 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I think vladimir fixed

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Steven Gill
. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 -Chuck -Original Message- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary I'll have

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Jesse
Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now. Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the version of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward 10.0.0. Should I move forward

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Chuck Lantz
+1 -Chuck -Original Message- From: Jesse [mailto:purplecabb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:55 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary +1 to not voting ;) , it implies we will wait 72 hours before moving on. How about if anyone

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Terence M. Bandoian
bug can't. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-7670 -Chuck -Original Message- From: Treggiari, Leo [mailto:leo.treggi...@intel.com] Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:23 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: RE: Independent platform release summary I'll have to admit

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-09 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I think vladimir fixed the bug. We just need to release now. Only thing holding back the release now is consensus on the version of the cli. It seemed like most people were leaning toward 10.0.0. Should I

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
So it looks like Today 1-3 EST or Friday 1-3 EST are the best times. I'm going to start the ball rolling to do this TODAY, but if that proves too short notices we'll move it to Friday. I'll email out links to hangout at 12:30 or so, and I'm hoping Steven can make it before 2pm since he's been

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Steven Gill
Sounds good! I'll definitely try to make it back for that. Have to be at the dmv this morning. Should be back by 2est On Wednesday, October 8, 2014, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: So it looks like Today 1-3 EST or Friday 1-3 EST are the best times. I'm going to start the ball rolling

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
+dev list again Not everyone could make 1pm, not everyone could make 2pm. While I don't think we need a full 2 hours, I'm hoping to start late and end early -- proving opportunity people to pop in at either time and chime in. On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Marcel Kinard cmarc...@gmail.com

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
External Public link for those that just want to watch/chat: https://plus.google.com/events/cm4l0vifcig920qkhpn5stqiet4 Hangout link to join the conversation: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/hoaevent/AP36tYcNwXEyet4Xv_23HiTl4IK0jsM4NlmGy5kbLsPIW3SnOsUEIQ?authuser=0hl=en See you in 30 minutes.

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
Thanks everyone for participation in what was a long and grueling discussion. Summary of current proposal: - Cad-ver is dead. - Everything moves Sem-ver, with platforms continuing from current versions and diverging over time. - CLI potentially gets a significant version bump to showcase this

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Treggiari, Leo
: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:13 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Thanks everyone for participation in what was a long and grueling discussion. Summary of current proposal: - Cad-ver is dead. - Everything moves Sem-ver, with platforms continuing

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Josh Soref
Leo wrote: I don't think we closed on this (I had to leave the meeting a little early) but a remaining question is how to version what we (and users) call Cordova. Assuming a Cordova version is a point in time collection of the latest CLI version + platform versions + plugin versions. Is the

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Michal Mocny
...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:13 PM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Thanks everyone for participation in what was a long and grueling discussion. Summary of current

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-08 Thread Josh Soref
Michal Mocny wrote: Thanks everyone for participation in what was a long and grueling discussion. Summary of current proposal: - Cad-ver is dead. - Everything moves Sem-ver, with platforms continuing from current versions and diverging over time. - CLI potentially gets a significant version bump

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Ian Clelland
Of Andrew Grieve Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 5:05 AM To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Brian LeRoux; Andrew Grieve; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary To the best of my knowledge, the version numbers of platforms do not signify

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Josh Soref
‎ (d) CLI versions completely independent of platforms, just like plugins. - In this case, we need to implement platform-cli version requirements (node peerDependancies?) - Basically means we play down CLI version entirely, users are just expected to stay up to date with CLI always.

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
Here is a doodle for those interested -- but if this timeline is too hasty we can figure out a future date: http://doodle.com/a2nd8n3z8dm4ffbx. I'm rather busy for two weeks starting next week (as are many of us in prep for sh dev conf pgday) so really hope we can do this this week. I'll put

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
+dev list again :P The timezone in the doodle is EST but there is a switcher to set your own (surprised it didn't do that). On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:01 AM, Joe Bowser bows...@gmail.com wrote: What timezone is this meant for? On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Joe Bowser
OK, let's try this again: What time zone is this mean for? BTW: Can we get that fixed? On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Here is a doodle for those interested -- but if this timeline is too hasty we can figure out a future date:

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Treggiari, Leo
: Re: Independent platform release summary To the best of my knowledge, the version numbers of platforms do not signify that platforms have the same functionality. Version numbers for plugins also don't really do this - many plugins have different capabilities on different platforms even

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
Created a doc to summarize. Trying to keep it concise and free of opinions/conclusions, only context goals. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VqAVo2AA5vZ7LRmq_9jJ6oa7Nyr2OrjLCfEkBhO-X8U/edit?usp=sharing On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: +dev list

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
[mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:52 AM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Joe Bowser; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Created a doc to summarize. Trying to keep it concise and free of opinions/conclusions, only context goals. https

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Steven Gill
] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:52 AM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Joe Bowser; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Created a doc to summarize. Trying to keep it concise and free of opinions/conclusions, only context goals. https://docs.google.com

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
- From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Tuesday, October 7, 2014 8:52 AM To: Michal Mocny Cc: Joe Bowser; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Created a doc to summarize. Trying to keep it concise and free of opinions

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
Marcel, I added the goal for latest-and-greatest which is a good idea. I think your other goals are already covered with what's there. Again, I wanted to be brief. Do not confuse developers goal hopefully covers your points about communication and information (and going into detail is imposing

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
, not make it easier to ignore them. Leo -Original Message- From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:14 AM To: Marcel Kinard Cc: dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Marcel, I added the goal

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Treggiari, Leo
From: mmo...@google.com [mailto:mmo...@google.com] On Behalf Of Michal Mocny Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:25 AM To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Michal Mocny; Marcel Kinard; dev Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I don't think its a goal for us developers, but I understand

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Marcel Kinard
On Oct 7, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Do not confuse developers goal hopefully covers your points about communication and information It partially covers it. To be more explicit, I'm trying to turn a negative goal into a positive goal. So instead of how do we

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Brian LeRoux
This doc is a really great summary: thank you Michal (and everyone else for the input). Super agree with starting from positive goals Marcel. I've been asking around other Apache projects (Jackrabbit and Sling) and the Gentoo Linux guys. This problem is hard. The good news is: we're not the only

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Terence M. Bandoian
Cc:dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Just got through this thread. Summarizing Proposals: (a) CLI moves to v10.0.0, and version numbers increment at same rate as (union of) platforms. - This has benefits, but is confusing as shit given our current plan. I'm

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Michal Mocny
Thanks Brian. Its looking like 3:00 PM EST Tomorrow or 12:00 PM EST Thursday is the best fit -- but some contributors whose opinions I'm interested in have yet to fill out the form (looking at you Brian, Jesse, Joe). -Michal On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote:

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-07 Thread Josh Soref
Michal Mocny wrote: Its looking like 3:00 PM EST Tomorrow or 12:00 PM EST Thursday is the best fit -- but some contributors whose opinions I'm interested in have yet to fill out the form (looking at you Brian, Jesse, Joe). Thursday is Sukkot, I'm unavailable.

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Marcel Kinard
+1 On Oct 3, 2014, at 8:05 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote: Looking through peoples responses on this thread and the project version thread, many people have been pushing for a bigger jump in version number for the CLI. Chatting with Shaz, he is very concerned about support

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Andrew Grieve
Of *Andrew Grieve *Sent:* Saturday, October 04, 2014 11:05 AM *To:* Treggiari, Leo *Cc:* Brian LeRoux; Andrew Grieve; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard *Subject:* Re: Independent platform release summary To the best of my knowledge, the version numbers of platforms do not signify

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Treggiari, Leo
@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary Leo - that was a very well thought out summary of the state of things! I agree that from a user perspective, it would be easier to understand and reason about things if platform versions corresponded to things

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Andrew Grieve
*From:* agri...@google.com [mailto:agri...@google.com] *On Behalf Of *Andrew Grieve *Sent:* Monday, October 06, 2014 12:12 PM *To:* Treggiari, Leo *Cc:* Andrew Grieve; Brian LeRoux; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard *Subject:* Re: Independent platform release summary Leo

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Smith, Peter
it? Peter -Original Message- From: agri...@google.com [mailto:agri...@google.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Grieve Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 5:05 AM To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Brian LeRoux; Andrew Grieve; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary To the best

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Michal Mocny
: Independent platform release summary To the best of my knowledge, the version numbers of platforms do not signify that platforms have the same functionality. Version numbers for plugins also don't really do this - many plugins have different capabilities on different platforms even

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread purplecabbage
: Sunday, 5 October 2014 5:05 AM To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Brian LeRoux; Andrew Grieve; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary To the best of my knowledge, the version numbers of platforms do not signify that platforms have the same functionality

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-06 Thread Joe Bowser
...@google.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Grieve Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2014 5:05 AM To: Treggiari, Leo Cc: Brian LeRoux; Andrew Grieve; dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary To the best of my knowledge, the version numbers of platforms do not signify

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-04 Thread Andrew Grieve
...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian LeRoux *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 5:29 PM *To:* Andrew Grieve *Cc:* dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard; Treggiari, Leo *Subject:* Re: Independent platform release summary I meant pinning all platforms to the cli (so

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-04 Thread Andrew Grieve
: Independent platform release summary If a bump to major indicates an API change, how is that visible to users? Do users look at the CLI version as the version of Cordova, or are we expecting users to look at the version of every Cordova component to understand where majors got bumped? While I

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-04 Thread Treggiari, Leo
Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I meant pinning all platforms to the cli (so an update to any of the platforms pushes everything up one). Anyhow this is way hard to reason about. So its an improvement how again? On Oct 3, 2014 4:55 PM, Andrew Grieve agri

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Andrew Grieve
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for feedback! I like the idea of giving our early adopters a chance to try it out and help us catch bugs, but I think that should be what RCs are for (3 day window while voting is ongoing). How do we handle

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Marcel Kinard
If a bump to major indicates an API change, how is that visible to users? Do users look at the CLI version as the version of Cordova, or are we expecting users to look at the version of every Cordova component to understand where majors got bumped? While I agree the latter is more correct

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Treggiari, Leo
and which Cordova CLI version gives me what I want? Sorry, but it is confusing... Leo -Original Message- From: Marcel Kinard [mailto:cmarc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 1:56 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary If a bump to major

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Brian LeRoux
] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 1:56 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary If a bump to major indicates an API change, how is that visible to users? Do users look at the CLI version as the version of Cordova, or are we expecting users to look

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Andrew Grieve
- From: Marcel Kinard [mailto:cmarc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 1:56 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary If a bump to major indicates an API change, how is that visible to users? Do users look at the CLI version as the version

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Steven Gill
] Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 1:56 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary If a bump to major indicates an API change, how is that visible to users? Do users look at the CLI version as the version of Cordova, or are we expecting users to look

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-03 Thread Treggiari, Leo
expect common functionality across platforms? Leo From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 5:29 PM To: Andrew Grieve Cc: dev@cordova.apache.org; Marcel Kinard; Treggiari, Leo Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary

Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Steven Gill
Hey All, I wanted to give summary of where I believe this process is going and answer any questions you all might have. None of this is set in stone, so please provide feedback so we can iron this out. 1) Platforms can now release independently If iOS wants to release 3.7.0, it doesn't have to

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Shazron
Thanks Steve for writing that up. I can definitely see the confusion in messaging, especially at the start of this new process. So for 2) CLI + Lib version I am proposing a radical idea (à la Windows 10) where we jump to a new version totally separate from the current 3.x series to further detach

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Steven Gill
I'm not opposed to a big version jump. It would draw attention to the fact that we are changing our versioning releasing process. How do others feel? -Steve On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Shazron shaz...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Steve for writing that up. I can definitely see the confusion

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Brian LeRoux
I'm down with jumping to 4.x but not convinced a jump to 5.x would actually spur more understanding. (Also thanks for tackling this Steve.) On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:00 PM, Steven Gill stevengil...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not opposed to a big version jump. It would draw attention to the fact that

RE: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:58 PM To: Steven Gill Cc: Shazron; dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I'm down with jumping to 4.x but not convinced a jump to 5.x would actually spur more

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Steven Gill
: Thursday, October 2, 2014 12:58 PM To: Steven Gill Cc: Shazron; dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: Independent platform release summary I'm down with jumping to 4.x but not convinced a jump to 5.x would actually spur more understanding. (Also thanks for tackling this Steve.) On Thu, Oct 2

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Grieve
Great write-up! Totally onboard. And like the suggestion of bumping the major (I say either 4.0 or 10.0). On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: I'm down with jumping to 4.x but not convinced a jump to 5.x would actually spur more understanding. (Also thanks for

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Andrew Grieve
I don't think it's necessary to bump CLI major when platforms bump major. Platforms and CLI are linked only superficially anyways. What do you think about: 1. Release platform 2. Blog post telling people to try it out using CLI platform add@new_version 3. After a week, bump the default platform

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Steven Gill
Thanks for feedback! I like the idea of giving our early adopters a chance to try it out and help us catch bugs, but I think that should be what RCs are for (3 day window while voting is ongoing). How do we handle cases where the bump in platform is accompanied by a change in cordova-lib. The

Re: Independent platform release summary

2014-10-02 Thread Ian Clelland
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