Re: New project website

2015-05-15 Thread Fabian Hueske
+1

one minor thing (could also be fixed later): The head line says only
batch and stream processing. It might be good to add data and
scalable or large-scale.

2015-05-15 13:56 GMT+02:00 Kostas Tzoumas ktzou...@apache.org:

 +1

 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Vasiliki Kalavri 
 vasilikikala...@gmail.com wrote:

  +1 :))
 
  On 15 May 2015 at 12:42, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:
 
  
   On 14 May 2015, at 12:39, Vasiliki Kalavri va...@apache.org wrote:
  
Hey Ufuk,
   
the logo still looks too big for the menu and so does the stack image
   now :S
See attached image.. This is Chrome again. Not sure how you could fix
  it
   though.
  
   Just had a small debug session with Vasia. The problem is fixed (some
   resources were not loaded, because they weren't requested via HTTPS).
  
   Can we go ahead and update the live version? We will certainly need to
   follow up with the not addressed points from my previous mail (I'll
  open
   JIRAs for them after we have merged).
  
   – Ufuk
 



Re: New project website

2015-05-15 Thread Ufuk Celebi

On 14 May 2015, at 12:39, Vasiliki Kalavri va...@apache.org wrote:

 Hey Ufuk,
 
 the logo still looks too big for the menu and so does the stack image now :S
 See attached image.. This is Chrome again. Not sure how you could fix it 
 though.

Just had a small debug session with Vasia. The problem is fixed (some resources 
were not loaded, because they weren't requested via HTTPS).

Can we go ahead and update the live version? We will certainly need to follow 
up with the not addressed points from my previous mail (I'll open JIRAs for 
them after we have merged).

– Ufuk

Re: New project website

2015-05-15 Thread Vasiliki Kalavri
+1 :))

On 15 May 2015 at 12:42, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:


 On 14 May 2015, at 12:39, Vasiliki Kalavri va...@apache.org wrote:

  Hey Ufuk,
 
  the logo still looks too big for the menu and so does the stack image
 now :S
  See attached image.. This is Chrome again. Not sure how you could fix it
 though.

 Just had a small debug session with Vasia. The problem is fixed (some
 resources were not loaded, because they weren't requested via HTTPS).

 Can we go ahead and update the live version? We will certainly need to
 follow up with the not addressed points from my previous mail (I'll open
 JIRAs for them after we have merged).

 – Ufuk


Re: New project website

2015-05-15 Thread Kostas Tzoumas
+1

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Vasiliki Kalavri 
vasilikikala...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 :))

 On 15 May 2015 at 12:42, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:

 
  On 14 May 2015, at 12:39, Vasiliki Kalavri va...@apache.org wrote:
 
   Hey Ufuk,
  
   the logo still looks too big for the menu and so does the stack image
  now :S
   See attached image.. This is Chrome again. Not sure how you could fix
 it
  though.
 
  Just had a small debug session with Vasia. The problem is fixed (some
  resources were not loaded, because they weren't requested via HTTPS).
 
  Can we go ahead and update the live version? We will certainly need to
  follow up with the not addressed points from my previous mail (I'll
 open
  JIRAs for them after we have merged).
 
  – Ufuk



Re: New project website

2015-05-15 Thread Robert Metzger
+1 ship it

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Kostas Tzoumas ktzou...@apache.org wrote:

 +1

 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Vasiliki Kalavri 
 vasilikikala...@gmail.com wrote:

  +1 :))
 
  On 15 May 2015 at 12:42, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:
 
  
   On 14 May 2015, at 12:39, Vasiliki Kalavri va...@apache.org wrote:
  
Hey Ufuk,
   
the logo still looks too big for the menu and so does the stack image
   now :S
See attached image.. This is Chrome again. Not sure how you could fix
  it
   though.
  
   Just had a small debug session with Vasia. The problem is fixed (some
   resources were not loaded, because they weren't requested via HTTPS).
  
   Can we go ahead and update the live version? We will certainly need to
   follow up with the not addressed points from my previous mail (I'll
  open
   JIRAs for them after we have merged).
  
   – Ufuk
 



Re: New project website

2015-05-15 Thread Maximilian Michels
+1 great work

I don't like that the website design is now pretty much like the
documentation design. This is confusing if you're on the documentation page
because the navigation and URL completely changes. We should add a clearly
visible button to lead back to the website.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Fabian Hueske fhue...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1

 one minor thing (could also be fixed later): The head line says only
 batch and stream processing. It might be good to add data and
 scalable or large-scale.

 2015-05-15 13:56 GMT+02:00 Kostas Tzoumas ktzou...@apache.org:

  +1
 
  On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Vasiliki Kalavri 
  vasilikikala...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   +1 :))
  
   On 15 May 2015 at 12:42, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:
  
   
On 14 May 2015, at 12:39, Vasiliki Kalavri va...@apache.org wrote:
   
 Hey Ufuk,

 the logo still looks too big for the menu and so does the stack
 image
now :S
 See attached image.. This is Chrome again. Not sure how you could
 fix
   it
though.
   
Just had a small debug session with Vasia. The problem is fixed (some
resources were not loaded, because they weren't requested via HTTPS).
   
Can we go ahead and update the live version? We will certainly need
 to
follow up with the not addressed points from my previous mail (I'll
   open
JIRAs for them after we have merged).
   
– Ufuk
  
 



Re: New project website

2015-05-14 Thread Ufuk Celebi
 snippets (raised by Fabian)
* Fabian: The usual question: Java or Scala code snippets
= I'll keep the Java snippets for now. We can change this 
incrementally.

- Too few FAQ entries (raised by Fabian)
* Fabian:  I agree that some of the FAQs are outdated, but I guess more 
than two are still relevant. We might think about adding more common questions 
that we see on SO or the mailing lists.
= The previous FAQ had irrelevant questions for the general project. 
This change separates docs FAQ and project FAQ. We need to add more questions 
though! I saw that Spark has a very nice project faq 
(https://spark.apache.org/faq.html) and we certainly have heard some of those 
questions as well.

# To be addressed

- Declutter (raised by Stephan, Kostas)
* Stephan: tendency to pack too much content into a small space.
* Kostas: I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a 
good start.

- Codetabs.js (raised by Robert)
* Robert: The codetabs.js file contains (and actually logs) HERE to 
the javascript console of my browser. Looks like some leftover debugging code. 
codetabs.js also gets a Uncaught ReferenceError: $ is not defined on the 
downloads page.
= Not our code and I didn't have time to look into it

- Increase font difference between headings (raised by Timo)
* Timo: I would increase the font difference between headings and 
subheadings

- Quickstarts (raised by Timo, Fabian)
* Timo: Quickstart is missing
* Fabian: Getting started does not link to the Quickstarts / Maven 
archetypes  only shows Maven dependencies for Java API

- Too large pictures in blog posts (raised by Fabian)
* Fabian: Pictures in some blog posts are too large, IMO (Streaming, 
Hadoop, Join post)

- Broken links (raised by Robert, Fabian)
* Robert: basically all links to the documentation in the blog are 
broken
* Fabian: Links in latest blog posts not working

- Add beta badge to components in flink-staging (raised by Robert)
* Robert: Do you think adding a very little Beta badge on the system 
stack at the front page to the beta components would be a good idea? I think we 
should manage the expectations there. ML, gelly and the table API are all not 
part of any official stable release.



On 13 May 2015, at 17:40, Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:

 That is a good thing to have, agreed.
 
 On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 For me personally, would like to still keep the architecture image [1]
 to show how it interacts with other systems.
 
 This usually help people to see how Flink could fit into their
 existing infrastructure pieces.
 
 - Henry
 
 
 [1] http://flink.apache.org/img/WhatIsFlink.png
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:
 I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a good start.
 
 - Having a more prominent tag line
 - Add some pictures for features back
 - align the content as per Felix' suggestion
 
 That should give us a faster quick overview, but keep some serious
 content
 in the starting page.
 
 I especially like that we have the stack figure and the recent blog posts
 on the new website - that we should keep no matter what.
 
 
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Kostas Tzoumas ktzou...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
 Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.
 
 Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One
 thing
 we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
 points would you like to see in the frontpage?
 
 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. 
 volker.ma...@tu-berlin.de wrote:
 
 -1
 
 Dear all,
 
 first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
 
 However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
 documentation than a front page.
 
 I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find
 what
 it is about quickly in a concise way?
 I believe that the landing page should give  information about
 features
 in
 a declarative way (what, not how ;-) )
 before going into details.
 
 I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than
 the
 new design. To me the new design looks like
 a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not
 like
 the starting page of the project.
 
 Best,
 Volker
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: ewenstep...@gmail.com [mailto:ewenstep...@gmail.com] Im Auftrag
 von
 Stephan Ewen
 Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
 An: dev@flink.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: New project website
 
 I agree that we should have a more serious content, less happy
 hipster
 website.
 
 The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to
 pack
 too much content into a small space.
 For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it
 may
 help to space things out a bit...
 
 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo

Re: New project website

2015-05-13 Thread Henry Saputra
For me personally, would like to still keep the architecture image [1]
to show how it interacts with other systems.

This usually help people to see how Flink could fit into their
existing infrastructure pieces.

- Henry


[1] http://flink.apache.org/img/WhatIsFlink.png

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:
 I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a good start.

  - Having a more prominent tag line
  - Add some pictures for features back
  - align the content as per Felix' suggestion

 That should give us a faster quick overview, but keep some serious content
 in the starting page.

 I especially like that we have the stack figure and the recent blog posts
 on the new website - that we should keep no matter what.



 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Kostas Tzoumas ktzou...@apache.org
 wrote:

 Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.

 Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One thing
 we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
 points would you like to see in the frontpage?

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. 
 volker.ma...@tu-berlin.de wrote:

  -1
 
  Dear all,
 
  first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
 
  However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
  documentation than a front page.
 
  I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find what
  it is about quickly in a concise way?
  I believe that the landing page should give  information about features
 in
  a declarative way (what, not how ;-) )
  before going into details.
 
  I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than the
  new design. To me the new design looks like
  a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not like
  the starting page of the project.
 
  Best,
  Volker
 
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: ewenstep...@gmail.com [mailto:ewenstep...@gmail.com] Im Auftrag von
  Stephan Ewen
  Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
  An: dev@flink.apache.org
  Betreff: Re: New project website
 
  I agree that we should have a more serious content, less happy hipster
  website.
 
  The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to pack
  too much content into a small space.
  For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it may
  help to space things out a bit...
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther twal...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
   I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
   information targeted to the user group.
  
   I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
   smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
  
  
   On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
  
   I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
   documentation.
   Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it
   on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
   I think the new website will convince this target audience.
  
   I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
   visual structure of the page. I think we only need to center the
   vertical separator between the getting started and the blog/community
  section.
   The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion
  
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
   neut...@googlemail.com
   wrote:
  
Hi Ufuk,
  
   I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
   opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
   than a starting page.
  
   In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
   get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
   wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
  or/and wiki).
  
   Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that
   there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
   http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
  
   This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
   starting pages.
  
   Best regards,
   Felix
  
  
   2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:
  
Great!
   It looks way better than the current site :)
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org
  wrote:
  
I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated
   Queries, I
   think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
  
   Otherwise, +1
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels
   m...@apache.org
   wrote:
  
+1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest
   to
  
   merge
  
   this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
  
   issues
  
   and
  
   add a twitter feed to the front page.
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning
   ted.dunn...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend

Re: New project website

2015-05-13 Thread Stephan Ewen
That is a good thing to have, agreed.

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com
wrote:

 For me personally, would like to still keep the architecture image [1]
 to show how it interacts with other systems.

 This usually help people to see how Flink could fit into their
 existing infrastructure pieces.

 - Henry


 [1] http://flink.apache.org/img/WhatIsFlink.png

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:55 AM, Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:
  I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a good start.
 
   - Having a more prominent tag line
   - Add some pictures for features back
   - align the content as per Felix' suggestion
 
  That should give us a faster quick overview, but keep some serious
 content
  in the starting page.
 
  I especially like that we have the stack figure and the recent blog posts
  on the new website - that we should keep no matter what.
 
 
 
  On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Kostas Tzoumas ktzou...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
  Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.
 
  Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One
 thing
  we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
  points would you like to see in the frontpage?
 
  On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. 
  volker.ma...@tu-berlin.de wrote:
 
   -1
  
   Dear all,
  
   first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
  
   However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
   documentation than a front page.
  
   I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find
 what
   it is about quickly in a concise way?
   I believe that the landing page should give  information about
 features
  in
   a declarative way (what, not how ;-) )
   before going into details.
  
   I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than
 the
   new design. To me the new design looks like
   a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not
 like
   the starting page of the project.
  
   Best,
   Volker
  
   -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
   Von: ewenstep...@gmail.com [mailto:ewenstep...@gmail.com] Im Auftrag
 von
   Stephan Ewen
   Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
   An: dev@flink.apache.org
   Betreff: Re: New project website
  
   I agree that we should have a more serious content, less happy
 hipster
   website.
  
   The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to
 pack
   too much content into a small space.
   For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it
 may
   help to space things out a bit...
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther twal...@apache.org
  wrote:
  
I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
information targeted to the user group.
   
I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
   
   
On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
   
I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
documentation.
Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running
 it
on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
I think the new website will convince this target audience.
   
I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
visual structure of the page. I think we only need to center the
vertical separator between the getting started and the
 blog/community
   section.
The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion
   
   
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
neut...@googlemail.com
wrote:
   
 Hi Ufuk,
   
I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
than a starting page.
   
In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
   or/and wiki).
   
Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure
 that
there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
   
This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
starting pages.
   
Best regards,
Felix
   
   
2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:
   
 Great!
It looks way better than the current site :)
   
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org
   wrote:
   
 I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated
Queries, I
think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
   
Otherwise, +1
   
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels
m...@apache.org
wrote:
   
 +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest
to
   
merge
   
this as soon

Re: New project website

2015-05-12 Thread Kostas Tzoumas
Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.

Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One thing
we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
points would you like to see in the frontpage?

On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. 
volker.ma...@tu-berlin.de wrote:

 -1

 Dear all,

 first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.

 However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
 documentation than a front page.

 I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find what
 it is about quickly in a concise way?
 I believe that the landing page should give  information about features in
 a declarative way (what, not how ;-) )
 before going into details.

 I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than the
 new design. To me the new design looks like
 a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not like
 the starting page of the project.

 Best,
 Volker

 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: ewenstep...@gmail.com [mailto:ewenstep...@gmail.com] Im Auftrag von
 Stephan Ewen
 Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
 An: dev@flink.apache.org
 Betreff: Re: New project website

 I agree that we should have a more serious content, less happy hipster
 website.

 The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to pack
 too much content into a small space.
 For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it may
 help to space things out a bit...

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther twal...@apache.org wrote:

  I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
  information targeted to the user group.
 
  I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
  smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
 
 
  On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
 
  I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
  documentation.
  Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it
  on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
  I think the new website will convince this target audience.
 
  I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
  visual structure of the page. I think we only need to center the
  vertical separator between the getting started and the blog/community
 section.
  The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion
 
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
  neut...@googlemail.com
  wrote:
 
   Hi Ufuk,
 
  I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
  opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
  than a starting page.
 
  In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
  get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
  wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
 or/and wiki).
 
  Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that
  there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
  http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
 
  This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
  starting pages.
 
  Best regards,
  Felix
 
 
  2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:
 
   Great!
  It looks way better than the current site :)
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
   I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated
  Queries, I
  think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
 
  Otherwise, +1
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels
  m...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
   +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest
  to
 
  merge
 
  this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
 
  issues
 
  and
 
  add a twitter feed to the front page.
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning
  ted.dunn...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend
  framing
 
  that
 
  on
 
  the home page.
 
 
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org
 
  wrote:
 
  Hey all,
 
  I reworked the project website the last couple of days and
  would
 
  like
 
  to
 
  share the preview:
 
  http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
 
  I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental
  updates
 
  at
 
  any
 
  time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
 
  current
 
  status
 
  quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
 
  today.
 
  – Ufuk
 
 
 



Re: New project website

2015-05-12 Thread Stephan Ewen
I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a good start.

 - Having a more prominent tag line
 - Add some pictures for features back
 - align the content as per Felix' suggestion

That should give us a faster quick overview, but keep some serious content
in the starting page.

I especially like that we have the stack figure and the recent blog posts
on the new website - that we should keep no matter what.



On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Kostas Tzoumas ktzou...@apache.org
wrote:

 Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.

 Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One thing
 we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
 points would you like to see in the frontpage?

 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. 
 volker.ma...@tu-berlin.de wrote:

  -1
 
  Dear all,
 
  first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
 
  However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
  documentation than a front page.
 
  I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find what
  it is about quickly in a concise way?
  I believe that the landing page should give  information about features
 in
  a declarative way (what, not how ;-) )
  before going into details.
 
  I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than the
  new design. To me the new design looks like
  a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not like
  the starting page of the project.
 
  Best,
  Volker
 
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: ewenstep...@gmail.com [mailto:ewenstep...@gmail.com] Im Auftrag von
  Stephan Ewen
  Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
  An: dev@flink.apache.org
  Betreff: Re: New project website
 
  I agree that we should have a more serious content, less happy hipster
  website.
 
  The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to pack
  too much content into a small space.
  For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it may
  help to space things out a bit...
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther twal...@apache.org
 wrote:
 
   I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
   information targeted to the user group.
  
   I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
   smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
  
  
   On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
  
   I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
   documentation.
   Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it
   on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
   I think the new website will convince this target audience.
  
   I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
   visual structure of the page. I think we only need to center the
   vertical separator between the getting started and the blog/community
  section.
   The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion
  
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
   neut...@googlemail.com
   wrote:
  
Hi Ufuk,
  
   I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
   opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
   than a starting page.
  
   In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
   get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
   wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
  or/and wiki).
  
   Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that
   there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
   http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
  
   This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
   starting pages.
  
   Best regards,
   Felix
  
  
   2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:
  
Great!
   It looks way better than the current site :)
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org
  wrote:
  
I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated
   Queries, I
   think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
  
   Otherwise, +1
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels
   m...@apache.org
   wrote:
  
+1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest
   to
  
   merge
  
   this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
  
   issues
  
   and
  
   add a twitter feed to the front page.
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning
   ted.dunn...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend
   framing
  
   that
  
   on
  
   the home page.
  
  
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org
  
   wrote:
  
   Hey all,
  
   I reworked the project website the last couple of days and
   would
  
   like
  
   to
  
   share the preview:
  
   http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
  
   I would like to get this in asap. We can

Re: New project website

2015-05-12 Thread Alexander Alexandrov
PS. Is there a particular reason why the APIs are stacked above each other
in the picture (ML on top of Gelly on top of the Table API)? I was actually
picturing the three next to each other...

2015-05-12 12:08 GMT+02:00 Alexander Alexandrov 
alexander.s.alexand...@gmail.com:

 I suggest to change the layout of the bottom half in the following way
 (will solve  the alignment issue):

 - 2 column layout in 1:1 ratio for *Getting Started*, 1st column with the
 text and the download button, second column with the maven code snippets
 - 2 column layout in 1:1 ratio for the *Recent Blog Posts *and *Community*
 below the *Getting Started* row. The first column should contain the
 latest blog posts, the second the community content

 In addition, I think the top row text to be slightly revised. Flink offers
 a unified runtime and APIs for both batch + streaming, but at the moment
 the tagline suggests it is streaming only.

 Regards,
 Alexander


 2015-05-12 10:55 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org:

 I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a good start.

  - Having a more prominent tag line
  - Add some pictures for features back
  - align the content as per Felix' suggestion

 That should give us a faster quick overview, but keep some serious content
 in the starting page.

 I especially like that we have the stack figure and the recent blog posts
 on the new website - that we should keep no matter what.



 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Kostas Tzoumas ktzou...@apache.org
 wrote:

  Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.
 
  Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One
 thing
  we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
  points would you like to see in the frontpage?
 
  On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. 
  volker.ma...@tu-berlin.de wrote:
 
   -1
  
   Dear all,
  
   first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
  
   However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
   documentation than a front page.
  
   I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find
 what
   it is about quickly in a concise way?
   I believe that the landing page should give  information about
 features
  in
   a declarative way (what, not how ;-) )
   before going into details.
  
   I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than
 the
   new design. To me the new design looks like
   a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not
 like
   the starting page of the project.
  
   Best,
   Volker
  
   -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
   Von: ewenstep...@gmail.com [mailto:ewenstep...@gmail.com] Im Auftrag
 von
   Stephan Ewen
   Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
   An: dev@flink.apache.org
   Betreff: Re: New project website
  
   I agree that we should have a more serious content, less happy
 hipster
   website.
  
   The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to
 pack
   too much content into a small space.
   For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it
 may
   help to space things out a bit...
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther twal...@apache.org
  wrote:
  
I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
information targeted to the user group.
   
I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
   
   
On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
   
I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
documentation.
Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running
 it
on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
I think the new website will convince this target audience.
   
I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
visual structure of the page. I think we only need to center the
vertical separator between the getting started and the
 blog/community
   section.
The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion
   
   
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
neut...@googlemail.com
wrote:
   
 Hi Ufuk,
   
I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
than a starting page.
   
In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
   or/and wiki).
   
Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure
 that
there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
   
This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
starting pages.
   
Best regards,
Felix
   
   
2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann

Re: New project website

2015-05-12 Thread Alexander Alexandrov
I suggest to change the layout of the bottom half in the following way
(will solve  the alignment issue):

- 2 column layout in 1:1 ratio for *Getting Started*, 1st column with the
text and the download button, second column with the maven code snippets
- 2 column layout in 1:1 ratio for the *Recent Blog Posts *and *Community*
below the *Getting Started* row. The first column should contain the latest
blog posts, the second the community content

In addition, I think the top row text to be slightly revised. Flink offers
a unified runtime and APIs for both batch + streaming, but at the moment
the tagline suggests it is streaming only.

Regards,
Alexander


2015-05-12 10:55 GMT+02:00 Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org:

 I think starting with Ufuk's draft, de-cluttering it is a good start.

  - Having a more prominent tag line
  - Add some pictures for features back
  - align the content as per Felix' suggestion

 That should give us a faster quick overview, but keep some serious content
 in the starting page.

 I especially like that we have the stack figure and the recent blog posts
 on the new website - that we should keep no matter what.



 On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Kostas Tzoumas ktzou...@apache.org
 wrote:

  Good points raised by Stephan, Felix, and Volker.
 
  Do you think we can achieve this by iterating on the new design? One
 thing
  we can indeed do is de-clutter a bit. Apart from that, what high level
  points would you like to see in the frontpage?
 
  On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr. 
  volker.ma...@tu-berlin.de wrote:
 
   -1
  
   Dear all,
  
   first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.
  
   However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a
   documentation than a front page.
  
   I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find
 what
   it is about quickly in a concise way?
   I believe that the landing page should give  information about features
  in
   a declarative way (what, not how ;-) )
   before going into details.
  
   I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than the
   new design. To me the new design looks like
   a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not
 like
   the starting page of the project.
  
   Best,
   Volker
  
   -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
   Von: ewenstep...@gmail.com [mailto:ewenstep...@gmail.com] Im Auftrag
 von
   Stephan Ewen
   Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
   An: dev@flink.apache.org
   Betreff: Re: New project website
  
   I agree that we should have a more serious content, less happy
 hipster
   website.
  
   The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to
 pack
   too much content into a small space.
   For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it
 may
   help to space things out a bit...
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther twal...@apache.org
  wrote:
  
I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical
information targeted to the user group.
   
I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)
   
   
On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:
   
I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
documentation.
Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running
 it
on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
I think the new website will convince this target audience.
   
I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help
visual structure of the page. I think we only need to center the
vertical separator between the getting started and the
 blog/community
   section.
The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion
   
   
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz
neut...@googlemail.com
wrote:
   
 Hi Ufuk,
   
I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my
opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage
than a starting page.
   
In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you
get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you
wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation
   or/and wiki).
   
Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that
there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/
   
This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
starting pages.
   
Best regards,
Felix
   
   
2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:
   
 Great!
It looks way better than the current site :)
   
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org
   wrote:
   
 I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated
Queries, I
think that is trademarked

Re: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Chiwan Park
Great! :)
+1 for this version.

Regards.
Chiwan Park (Sent with iPhone)



 On May 11, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:
 
 Hey all,
 
 I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like to 
 share the preview:
 
 http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
 
 I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at any 
 time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current status 
 quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today. 
 
 – Ufuk



Re: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Fabian Hueske
Hi,

I like the new website a lot. Great Job Ufuk!
Here are some things that I notices while checking it out:

General:
- I find the text area a bit too wide for comfortable reading, especially
for long texts such as blog posts or the how to contribute guide.

Front page:
- Stack Figure: Don't stack libraries. It suggests that they depend on each
other. Can we put them vertical like on our slides?
- Links in latest blog posts not working
- The frontpage / first sentence does not make clear that Flink is also for
Batch (- Same point Robert raised)
- I am always suspicious if someone says real-time
- Getting started does not link to the Quickstarts / Maven archetypes 
only shows Maven dependencies for Java API

Feature page:
- Data is not always streamed all the way in batch programs. There are
also dams.
- You can use native Java and Scala data types without packing them into
key-value pairs, logical field addressing, and a wealth of operators. -
Sentence can be misunderstood (without packaging [...], logical field
addressing, and a wealth of operators)
- The usual question: Java or Scala code snippets

FAQ:
- I agree that some of the FAQs are outdated, but I guess more than two are
still relevant. We might think about adding more common questions that we
see on SO or the mailing lists.

Blog:
- Links in the right-side menu of the main blog pages are broken

Blog posts:
- Pictures in some blog posts are too large, IMO (Streaming, Hadoop, Join
post)

2015-05-11 10:20 GMT+02:00 Robert Metzger rmetz...@apache.org:

 Amazing work!
 The new site looks really good.
 I like white websites more, they are easier to read.
 Also, its great that you're putting the community on the front page. I hear
 quite often that users like the good support they are getting from the
 mailing lists. I personally experienced other open source communities which
 didn't answer my questions on their list. I think that's not happening in
 our community!
 The blog posts with their dates on the front page show that the project is
 very active.

 Some detailed comments:
 - The front page doesn't contain the word batch at all. People might be
 confused
 - why is the Table API so prominent on the front page? Other staging
 projects like python or the hadoop compat don't get a mention at all.
 - Do you think adding a very little Beta badge on the system stack at the
 front page to the beta components would be a good idea? I think we should
 manage the expectations there. ML, gelly and the table API are all not part
 of any official stable release.
 - The disqus comments are missing in the blog
 - The frontpage link to the setup is broken:
 http://ci.apache.org/projects/flink/flink-docs-master/setup/
 - The codetabs.js file contains (and actually logs) HERE to the
 javascript console of my browser. Looks like some leftover debugging code.
 - codetabs.js also gets a Uncaught ReferenceError: $ is not defined on
 the downloads page.
 - I don't want to put the burden of fixing this onto alone (= I can help
 you), but basically all links to the documentation in the blog are broken.
 For example for the 0.9.0-m1 annoucements, the links to gelly and the table
 api are broken. This issue is independent of this change, but still
 annoying.
 - The link to our twitter account could be more prominent. Maybe on the
 front page?

 .. I'll give feedback to the Feature page, once its done ;)



 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:

  Hey all,
 
  I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like to
  share the preview:
 
  http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
 
  I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at any
  time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current
 status
  quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
 
  – Ufuk



Re: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Felix Neutatz
Hi Ufuk,

I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my opinion
your page design looks more like a documentation webpage than a starting
page.

In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you get a
really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you wanna dive in
deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and wiki).

Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that there
aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/

This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about starting
pages.

Best regards,
Felix


2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:

 Great!
 It looks way better than the current site :)

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:

  I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated Queries, I
  think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
 
  Otherwise, +1
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels m...@apache.org
  wrote:
 
   +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to
 merge
   this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining issues
  and
   add a twitter feed to the front page.
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing
  that
   on
the home page.
   
   
   
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:
   
 Hey all,

 I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would
 like
   to
 share the preview:

 http://uce.github.io/flink-web/

 I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates
 at
   any
 time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
 current
status
 quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.

 – Ufuk
   
  
 



Re: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Hermann Gábor
Great!
It looks way better than the current site :)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:

 I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated Queries, I
 think that is trademarked by Microsoft.

 Otherwise, +1

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels m...@apache.org
 wrote:

  +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to merge
  this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining issues
 and
  add a twitter feed to the front page.
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing
 that
  on
   the home page.
  
  
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:
  
Hey all,
   
I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like
  to
share the preview:
   
http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
   
I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at
  any
time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current
   status
quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
   
– Ufuk
  
 



Re: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Stephan Ewen
I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated Queries, I
think that is trademarked by Microsoft.

Otherwise, +1

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels m...@apache.org wrote:

 +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to merge
 this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining issues and
 add a twitter feed to the front page.

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing that
 on
  the home page.
 
 
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:
 
   Hey all,
  
   I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like
 to
   share the preview:
  
   http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
  
   I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at
 any
   time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current
  status
   quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
  
   – Ufuk
 



Re: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Robert Metzger
I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
documentation.
Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it on a
cluster or developers programming against APIs.
I think the new website will convince this target audience.

I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help visual
structure of the page. I think we only need to center the vertical
separator between the getting started and the blog/community section.
The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion


On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz neut...@googlemail.com
wrote:

 Hi Ufuk,

 I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my opinion
 your page design looks more like a documentation webpage than a starting
 page.

 In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you get a
 really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you wanna dive in
 deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and wiki).

 Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that there
 aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
 http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/

 This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about starting
 pages.

 Best regards,
 Felix


 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:

  Great!
  It looks way better than the current site :)
 
  On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:
 
   I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated Queries, I
   think that is trademarked by Microsoft.
  
   Otherwise, +1
  
   On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels m...@apache.org
   wrote:
  
+1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to
  merge
this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining
 issues
   and
add a twitter feed to the front page.
   
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
 
wrote:
   
 If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing
   that
on
 the home page.



 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org
 wrote:

  Hey all,
 
  I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would
  like
to
  share the preview:
 
  http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
 
  I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates
  at
any
  time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the
  current
 status
  quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website
 today.
 
  – Ufuk

   
  
 



Re: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Timo Walther
I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical 
information targeted to the user group.


I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post 
smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)


On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:

I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
documentation.
Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it on a
cluster or developers programming against APIs.
I think the new website will convince this target audience.

I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help visual
structure of the page. I think we only need to center the vertical
separator between the getting started and the blog/community section.
The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion


On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz neut...@googlemail.com
wrote:


Hi Ufuk,

I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my opinion
your page design looks more like a documentation webpage than a starting
page.

In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you get a
really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you wanna dive in
deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and wiki).

Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that there
aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/

This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about starting
pages.

Best regards,
Felix


2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:


Great!
It looks way better than the current site :)

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:


I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated Queries, I
think that is trademarked by Microsoft.

Otherwise, +1

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels m...@apache.org
wrote:


+1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to

merge

this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining

issues

and

add a twitter feed to the front page.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
wrote:


If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing

that

on

the home page.



On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org

wrote:

Hey all,

I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would

like

to

share the preview:

http://uce.github.io/flink-web/

I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates

at

any

time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the

current

status

quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website

today.

– Ufuk




Re: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Maximilian Michels
+1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to merge
this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining issues and
add a twitter feed to the front page.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:

 If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing that on
 the home page.



 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org wrote:

  Hey all,
 
  I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would like to
  share the preview:
 
  http://uce.github.io/flink-web/
 
  I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates at any
  time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the current
 status
  quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website today.
 
  – Ufuk



Re: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Stephan Ewen
I agree that we should have a more serious content, less happy hipster
website.

The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to pack
too much content into a small space.
For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it may
help to space things out a bit...

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther twal...@apache.org wrote:

 I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical information
 targeted to the user group.

 I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post
 smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)


 On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:

 I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a
 documentation.
 Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it on a
 cluster or developers programming against APIs.
 I think the new website will convince this target audience.

 I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help visual
 structure of the page. I think we only need to center the vertical
 separator between the getting started and the blog/community section.
 The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion


 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz neut...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

  Hi Ufuk,

 I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my opinion
 your page design looks more like a documentation webpage than a starting
 page.

 In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you get a
 really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you wanna dive in
 deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and wiki).

 Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that there
 aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
 http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/

 This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about
 starting
 pages.

 Best regards,
 Felix


 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:

  Great!
 It looks way better than the current site :)

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:

  I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated Queries, I
 think that is trademarked by Microsoft.

 Otherwise, +1

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels m...@apache.org
 wrote:

  +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest to

 merge

 this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining

 issues

 and

 add a twitter feed to the front page.

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend framing

 that

 on

 the home page.



 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org

 wrote:

 Hey all,

 I reworked the project website the last couple of days and would

 like

 to

 share the preview:

 http://uce.github.io/flink-web/

 I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental updates

 at

 any

 time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the

 current

 status

 quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website

 today.

 – Ufuk





AW: New project website

2015-05-11 Thread Markl, Volker, Prof. Dr.
-1

Dear all,

first and foremost, thanks to Ufuk, for the new design.

However, I agree with Felix that the current page is more of a documentation 
than a front page.

I wonder where would people who do not know about Flink already find what it is 
about quickly in a concise way?
I believe that the landing page should give  information about features in a 
declarative way (what, not how ;-) )
before going into details. 

I also believe that the current page does a better job on this than the new 
design. To me the new design looks like 
a perfect architecture page and intro to the documentation, but not like the 
starting page of the project.

Best,
Volker

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Gesendet: Montag, 11. Mai 2015 22:01
An: dev@flink.apache.org
Betreff: Re: New project website

I agree that we should have a more serious content, less happy hipster
website.

The current one is very nice, but I also think it has a tendency to pack too 
much content into a small space.
For me (and probably other old people with less-than-sharp eyes), it may help 
to space things out a bit...

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Timo Walther twal...@apache.org wrote:

 I completely agree with Robert. Less marketing, more technical 
 information targeted to the user group.

 I think the diagram could be a little bit larger and the blog post 
 smaller, so that the lines meet in the middle ;)


 On 11.05.2015 14:39, Robert Metzger wrote:

 I think its fine when the front page looks a little bit more like a 
 documentation.
 Flink is no fancy hipster app, our users are either sysops running it 
 on a cluster or developers programming against APIs.
 I think the new website will convince this target audience.

 I agree with you that aligning the vertical separators might help 
 visual structure of the page. I think we only need to center the 
 vertical separator between the getting started and the blog/community 
 section.
 The positioning of the first line is fine, in my opinion


 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Felix Neutatz 
 neut...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

  Hi Ufuk,

 I really like the idea of redesigning the start page. But in my 
 opinion your page design looks more like a documentation webpage 
 than a starting page.

 In my personal opinion I like the current design better, since you 
 get a really quick overview with many fancy pictures. (So if you 
 wanna dive in deep, you can check out things in the documentation or/and 
 wiki).

 Moreover I have some design issue. Can you align the structure that 
 there aren't as many overlaps. Here you can see what I mean:
 http://postimg.org/image/paogu6f3h/

 This is only my personal opinion, maybe I have a wrong idea about 
 starting pages.

 Best regards,
 Felix


 2015-05-11 14:06 GMT+02:00 Hermann Gábor reckone...@gmail.com:

  Great!
 It looks way better than the current site :)

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:28 PM Stephan Ewen se...@apache.org wrote:

  I think we may have to remove the term Language Integrated 
 Queries, I
 think that is trademarked by Microsoft.

 Otherwise, +1

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Maximilian Michels 
 m...@apache.org
 wrote:

  +1 very nice comprehensive overhaul of the website. I'd suggest 
 to

 merge

 this as soon as possible. We can incrementally fix the remaining

 issues

 and

 add a twitter feed to the front page.

 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Ted Dunning 
 ted.dunn...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  If there is an active twitter entity for Flink, I recommend 
 framing

 that

 on

 the home page.



 On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ufuk Celebi u...@apache.org

 wrote:

 Hey all,

 I reworked the project website the last couple of days and 
 would

 like

 to

 share the preview:

 http://uce.github.io/flink-web/

 I would like to get this in asap. We can push incremental 
 updates

 at

 any

 time, but I think this version is a big improvement over the

 current

 status

 quo. If I get some +1s I'll go ahead and update the website

 today.

 – Ufuk