Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread David Jencks
I go back and forth on whether to shut G down completely. Perhaps it would be useful to inventory which parts are used by which other projects? Off the top of my head…. Specs …. who uses G’s and who has their own? Components…. I think there are several users of the transaction manager, I

Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
A valid point is activity related to G happens elsewhere, However elsewhere is not "tomee" which would make things simple to move but A, B, C so shutting down G is likely the easiest solution for G itself but also the worse for all its dependent projects - and ASF consistency since G is now seen

Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I’ve monitored G for several years since my departure. For me, JEE is not my main area of focus and as such, I’ve invested little time in the project apart from reading the e-mail threads. This is a community decision and posting the discussion to dev@ is the right venue. As an inactive

Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread Jason Dillon
On March 8, 2017 at 10:44:45 AM, Mark Struberg (strub...@yahoo.de) wrote: Alan, I understand that you don't want to put much more energy into this project. That is totally understandable and fine.  But while you are PMC chair you still cannot declare that the project is dead as long as there are

Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread Dave Horsey
unsubscribe On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Mark Struberg wrote: > Alan, I understand that you don't want to put much more energy into this > project. That is totally understandable and fine. > But while you are PMC chair you still cannot declare that the project is > dead as

Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread Mark Struberg
Alan, I understand that you don't want to put much more energy into this project. That is totally understandable and fine. But while you are PMC chair you still cannot declare that the project is dead as long as there are enough PMC members still active to keep the project going. Before we

Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread Alan Cabrera
I agree and I even acknowledged that below, but what I feel Mark and you are not acknowledging is that the interest/activity is for a smaller subset of JEE. Of that subset, even you list the OSS projects that are supporting the JEE bits that are still relevant. They have active communities

Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread Kevan Miller
Thanks Alan! Many thanks for all you've done! I think we all agree that it is time to retire the Geronimo Server portions of the project. My apologies to Romain, Mark, David, and others, but: I think the entire project should be retired. I confess that I am not closely following the dev list (I

Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread Romain Manni-Bucau
I share that vision (the one of Mark). The ee-commons part is really used and still active (even if in maintenance mode for several parts) and we need to ensure other projects can still rely on it (karaf, tomee, owb, meecrowave, openjpa, ... plus several open source ones). EE is also not dead,

Re: Discuss: Move Geronimo to Attic

2017-03-08 Thread Mark Struberg
I see no lack of interest in Java EE to be honest. Of course Microservices are currently spilled high on the hype cycle, but that will quickly blow up imo. MS architecture is only very good for a certain kind of application. For most business apps the granularity is way too fine grain and the