Re: [VOTE] Release httpd 2.3.6-alpha

2010-06-15 Thread Gregg L. Smith
non-binding Win32 XP/Vista VC6 VC9 Jim Jagielski wrote: +/- 1 [+1] Release httpd-2.3.6 as Alpha Vote closes at 15:00 UTC on Wednesday June 16 2010. APR 1.4.2 APU 1.3.9 APU 1.4.0-dev Every module loads this time (lbmethods did not in 2.3.5 IIRC) SSLCACertificateFile no longer errors for me I'd

Re: MPM sizing defaults and config

2010-06-15 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/15/2010 7:27 PM, Guenter Knauf wrote: > Hi, > Am 16.06.2010 00:37, schrieb William A. Rowe Jr.: > Netware > ===conf default proposed > StartThreads250 50 50 > MinSpareThreads 25 10 25 > MaxSpareThreads 250

Re: MPM sizing defaults and config

2010-06-15 Thread Guenter Knauf
Hi, Am 16.06.2010 00:37, schrieb William A. Rowe Jr.: Netware ===conf default proposed StartThreads250 50 50 MinSpareThreads 25 10 25 MaxSpareThreads 250 100100 MaxThreads 1000 2048 1000 MaxRequestsPerC

Re: MPM sizing defaults and config

2010-06-15 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/15/2010 4:42 PM, Rainer Jung wrote: > On 15.06.2010 23:09, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: >> As a broad general question - why not equivalent number of MaxClients >> across all MPMs? > > I was uncertain about that. Users often tend to try to fix performance > problems by adding concurrency to the

Re: MPM default config and conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf

2010-06-15 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/15/2010 4:15 PM, Rainer Jung wrote: > On 15.06.2010 22:51, Igor Galić wrote: >> >> I wonder if this thread is wrong enough for the topic: >> >> Would it be possible to choose defaults for the MPMs based on >> the available CPU(core)s and the Memory, rather than just hard >> coding the values?

Re: MPM sizing defaults and config

2010-06-15 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/15/2010 4:20 PM, Igor Galić wrote: > >>> Worker/Event >>> conf default proposed >>> StartServers 23 2 >>> MinSpareThreads 25 75 25 >>> MaxSpareThreads 75 250100 >>> MaxClients 150 400400

Re: svn commit: r954862 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/CHANGES

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
On 15.06.2010 23:20, Graham Leggett wrote: On 15 Jun 2010, at 4:21 PM, Jeff Trawick wrote: trunk CHANGES needs to track fixes/enhancements since the last alpha, so the candidates for pruning would be in the section "Changes with Apache 2.3.0". attached is a patch to prune 2.3.0 changes which w

Re: MPM sizing defaults and config

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
On 15.06.2010 23:09, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: As a broad general question - why not equivalent number of MaxClients across all MPMs? I was uncertain about that. Users often tend to try to fix performance problems by adding concurrency to the web server. If your web server is configured very

Re: MPM default config and conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf

2010-06-15 Thread Igor Galić
> > > > I wonder if this thread is wrong enough for the topic: > > > > Would it be possible to choose defaults for the MPMs based on > > the available CPU(core)s and the Memory, rather than just hard > > coding the values? > > I doubt it's worth it and that we can make it work nicely. I think we

Re: svn commit: r954862 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/CHANGES

2010-06-15 Thread Graham Leggett
On 15 Jun 2010, at 4:21 PM, Jeff Trawick wrote: trunk CHANGES needs to track fixes/enhancements since the last alpha, so the candidates for pruning would be in the section "Changes with Apache 2.3.0". attached is a patch to prune 2.3.0 changes which were backported to some 2.2.x release; look r

Re: MPM sizing defaults and config

2010-06-15 Thread Igor Galić
- "William A. Rowe Jr." wrote: > As a broad general question - why not equivalent number of MaxClients > across all MPMs? Because it might come expensive Memory-wise with some MPMs. > On 6/15/2010 4:03 PM, Rainer Jung wrote: > > The default configuration for various MPMs > > differs from t

Re: MPM default config and conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
On 15.06.2010 22:51, Igor Galić wrote: - "Rainer Jung" wrote: I noticed, that the values in conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf in parts differ hugely from the corresponding MPM defaults. IMHO activating conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf should be safe in the sense that you don't get changed MPM behaviou

Re: MPM sizing defaults and config

2010-06-15 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
As a broad general question - why not equivalent number of MaxClients across all MPMs? On 6/15/2010 4:03 PM, Rainer Jung wrote: > The default configuration for various MPMs > differs from the example configuration file > conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf. > > Before bringing those two in sync, I want > t

MPM sizing defaults and config

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
The default configuration for various MPMs differs from the example configuration file conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf. Before bringing those two in sync, I want to propose the values we want to use as new defaults as well as for the extras configuration file. Prefork ===conf default

Re: MPM default config and conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf

2010-06-15 Thread Igor Galić
- "Rainer Jung" wrote: > I noticed, that the values in conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf in parts > differ > hugely from the corresponding MPM defaults. > > IMHO activating conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf should be safe in the sense > > that you don't get changed MPM behaviour as long as you don't chan

Re: svn commit: r954862 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/CHANGES

2010-06-15 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Rainer Jung wrote: > On 15.06.2010 18:30, Rainer Jung wrote: > > Sorry for the noise, forget about the second addition, doesn't seem to be > the same thing (prepared statements vs. connection pools). > >> @@ -1131,11 +1082,6 @@ Changes with Apache 2.3.0 >> into th

Re: svn commit: r954611 - in /httpd/httpd/trunk: include/ap_mmn.h include/http_config.h include/http_log.h modules/ssl/ssl_engine_io.c modules/ssl/ssl_engine_kernel.c server/log.c server/util_debug.c

2010-06-15 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Tuesday 15 June 2010, Ruediger Pluem wrote: > > +AP_DECLARE(void) ap_log_cserror_(const char *file, int line, int > > module_index, + int level, > > apr_status_t status, + const > > conn_rec *c, const server_rec *s, > > +

Re: Change FILE/... buckets to close file descriptor on destruction?

2010-06-15 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Monday 14 June 2010, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 6/14/2010 4:20 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote: > > But I am not sure what introducing a new element in struct > > apr_bucket_file would mean for ABI compatibility. On the one > > hand, apr_bucket_file is public, on the other hand, there are > > func

Re: svn commit: r954862 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/CHANGES

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
On 15.06.2010 18:30, Rainer Jung wrote: Sorry for the noise, forget about the second addition, doesn't seem to be the same thing (prepared statements vs. connection pools). @@ -1131,11 +1082,6 @@ Changes with Apache 2.3.0 into the environment with the name AUTHENTICATE_. This brings mod_authn

Re: MPM default config and conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf

2010-06-15 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/15/2010 11:33 AM, Rainer Jung wrote: > > Sorry Bill, don't get it here: what do you suggest? Applying the > existing values from conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf to the MPM source code? Just suggesting we don't really need to 'normalize' these first. Discuss the appropriate values on dev@ and comm

Re: C as config

2010-06-15 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 6, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote: > On Sunday 06 June 2010, Brian Pane wrote: >> On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 5:03 AM, Graham Leggett >> wrote: [...] >> >>> We've also been playing with Varnish, one of the cooler things it >>> does is have the ability to suck up an entire response int

Re: C as config

2010-06-15 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 9, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Akins, Brian wrote: > On 6/8/10 7:21 PM, "Graham Leggett" wrote: >> That said, if your server doesn't have work to do, ie >> you're just a bit-shifter, then a simple async loop will win hands down. > > > We also found that even for "resource intensive" tasks -- lik

Re: MPM default config and conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
On 15.06.2010 17:58, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/15/2010 10:36 AM, Rainer Jung wrote: I noticed, that the values in conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf in parts differ hugely from the corresponding MPM defaults. IMHO activating conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf should be safe in the sense that you don't get

Re: svn commit: r954862 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/CHANGES

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
On 15.06.2010 16:21, Jeff Trawick wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:06 AM, wrote: Author: rjung Date: Tue Jun 15 13:06:14 2010 New Revision: 954862 URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=954862&view=rev Log: Fix obsolete reference to 2.1 in CHANGES. Likely we still have to clean CHANGES from th

Re: svn commit: r954862 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/CHANGES

2010-06-15 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/15/2010 9:21 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: > > attached is a patch to prune 2.3.0 changes which were backported to > some 2.2.x release; look reasonable? Looks reasonable, thanks for this effort.

Re: MPM default config and conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf

2010-06-15 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/15/2010 10:36 AM, Rainer Jung wrote: > I noticed, that the values in conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf in parts differ > hugely from the corresponding MPM defaults. > > IMHO activating conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf should be safe in the sense > that you don't get changed MPM behaviour as long as you don'

MPM default config and conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
I noticed, that the values in conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf in parts differ hugely from the corresponding MPM defaults. IMHO activating conf/extra/httpd-mpm.conf should be safe in the sense that you don't get changed MPM behaviour as long as you don't change the file contents. If we think the valu

Re: svn commit: r954862 - /httpd/httpd/trunk/CHANGES

2010-06-15 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:06 AM, wrote: > Author: rjung > Date: Tue Jun 15 13:06:14 2010 > New Revision: 954862 > > URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc?rev=954862&view=rev > Log: > Fix obsolete reference to 2.1 in CHANGES. > > Likely we still have to clean CHANGES from things backported > to 2.2.x.

Re: external links/webring

2010-06-15 Thread Eric Covener
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 1:50 AM, Ruediger Pluem wrote: > > > On 06/14/2010 09:45 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: >> The asf-wide, site-dev team noticed our webring seems horribly dated, >> just as the ASF list of 'apache resources' was.  We should determine >> how we might provide external/thirdpar

RE: Remove "User", "Group" and "ScoreBoardFile" from mpmt_os2

2010-06-15 Thread Plüm, Rüdiger, VF-Group
> -Original Message- > From: Rainer Jung > Sent: Dienstag, 15. Juni 2010 11:43 > To: dev@httpd.apache.org > Subject: Remove "User", "Group" and "ScoreBoardFile" from mpmt_os2 > > I want to remove "User", "Group" and "ScoreBoardFile" from > the OS2 MPM. > > The directives have an emp

Remove "User", "Group" and "ScoreBoardFile" from mpmt_os2

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
I want to remove "User", "Group" and "ScoreBoardFile" from the OS2 MPM. The directives have an empty implementation ignore_cmd() and have only been introduced for consistency with those MPMS which did support it. In trunk "User" and "Group" are no longer MPM directives, they moved to mod_unix

Re: external links/webring

2010-06-15 Thread Rainer Jung
On 14.06.2010 21:45, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: The asf-wide, site-dev team noticed our webring seems horribly dated, just as the ASF list of 'apache resources' was. We should determine how we might provide external/thirdparty links and under what set of criteria. The immediate question is; wha