Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-06 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Saturday 05 June 2010, Roy T. Fielding wrote: On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: CTR is fine for all normal fixes. RTC is always preferred for major code refactorings. I ask you this: What constitutes a modest new feature? It's not a fix. It's not a major code

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-04 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 3, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote: On Thursday 03 June 2010, Sander Temme wrote: On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: PHP should largely move to FastCGI, so module compatibility should not be a problem. Any idea about other popular modules? WSGI? mod_perl? Are

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-04 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Ruediger Pluem wrote: On 04.06.2010 01:51, Graham Leggett wrote: On 03 Jun 2010, at 10:17 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: It would be, but it's necessary. The ASF is a collaborative environment; unreviewed code should not released, even when the authors are

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-04 Thread Graham Leggett
On 04 Jun 2010, at 2:55 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: If there is not positive feedback from two reviewers, this code does not belong in trunk/. As a committer, you are *free* to create your own sandboxes in svn to demonstrate code changes, if that helps attract the necessary review.

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-04 Thread Graham Leggett
On 04 Jun 2010, at 2:51 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: +1 for the continued, and perhaps more widespread, voluntary soliciting of approval in advance for changes which add new modules or other significant new function, or make other widespread changes, or change prerequisites in a meaningful way,

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-04 Thread Dan Poirier
On 2010-06-03 at 22:28, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: Not because of binary compatibility, but because users have certain expectations when they move from x.y.15 to x.y.16 that nothing much has changed, it's just lots of fixes. And if your backport ideas include a lot of

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-04 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Graham Leggett minf...@sharp.fm wrote: On 04 Jun 2010, at 2:51 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: +1 for the continued, and perhaps more widespread, voluntary soliciting of approval in advance for changes which add new modules or other significant new function, or make

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-04 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/4/2010 9:35 AM, Graham Leggett wrote: On 04 Jun 2010, at 2:51 AM, Jeff Trawick wrote: This has been done countless times by numerous people in this successful decade, in spite of, and even for the continued viability of, the C-T-R policy. This creates an artificial two tier

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-04 Thread Graham Leggett
On 04 Jun 2010, at 6:06 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: All individuals are invited to chime in when a proposal is raised, and to invest the time in reviewing the proposal. That includes non committers. There are no tiers, except for contributor, committer, and project committee member.

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-04 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: CTR is fine for all normal fixes. RTC is always preferred for major code refactorings. I ask you this: What constitutes a modest new feature? It's not a fix. It's not a major code refactoring. But modest new features have been strongly

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 2, 2010, at 8:40 PM, Sander Temme wrote: On Jun 1, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Considering that 2.3/trunk is back to limbo-land, I'd like to propose that we be more aggressive is backporting some items. Even if under experimental, it would be nice if slotmem and

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread Sander Temme
On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: PHP should largely move to FastCGI, so module compatibility should not be a problem. Any idea about other popular modules? WSGI? mod_perl? Are they ready for HEAD? That's a good question, but until we get a version of httpd

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread Nick Kew
On 3 Jun 2010, at 15:59, Sander Temme wrote: Are we ready to freeze the API? I think that's our Alpha - Beta transition point. How about a chart or something documenting API differences since 2.2? That would seem a useful input to answering your question. If noone has such a beast

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/3/2010 9:59 AM, Sander Temme wrote: On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: PHP should largely move to FastCGI, so module compatibility should not be a problem. Any idea about other popular modules? WSGI? mod_perl? Are they ready for HEAD? That's a good question, but

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread Sander Temme
On Jun 3, 2010, at 8:45 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/3/2010 9:59 AM, Sander Temme wrote: On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: PHP should largely move to FastCGI, so module compatibility should not be a problem. Any idea about other popular modules? WSGI? mod_perl?

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Thursday 03 June 2010, Sander Temme wrote: On Jun 3, 2010, at 7:15 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: PHP should largely move to FastCGI, so module compatibility should not be a problem. Any idea about other popular modules? WSGI? mod_perl? Are they ready for HEAD? That's a good question,

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/3/2010 11:58 AM, Stefan Fritsch wrote: I definitely want to have the per-module/per-dir loglevel config in 2.4. I think it's working well enough to be commited to trunk. We can work out the remaining issues there. Unless somebody disagrees, I am going to commit. I'm still

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread Stefan Fritsch
On Thursday 03 June 2010, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/3/2010 11:58 AM, Stefan Fritsch wrote: I definitely want to have the per-module/per-dir loglevel config in 2.4. I think it's working well enough to be commited to trunk. We can work out the remaining issues there. Unless somebody

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/3/2010 12:59 PM, Stefan Fritsch wrote: On Thursday 03 June 2010, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 6/3/2010 11:58 AM, Stefan Fritsch wrote: I definitely want to have the per-module/per-dir loglevel config in 2.4. I think it's working well enough to be commited to trunk. We can work out the

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread Graham Leggett
On 03 Jun 2010, at 10:17 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: It would be, but it's necessary. The ASF is a collaborative environment; unreviewed code should not released, even when the authors are committers. A major patch like this hitting svn, without previous review, makes our fellow

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread Jeff Trawick
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Graham Leggett minf...@sharp.fm wrote: On 03 Jun 2010, at 10:17 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: It would be, but it's necessary. The ASF is a collaborative environment; unreviewed code should not released, even when the authors are committers. A major patch

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/3/2010 6:51 PM, Graham Leggett wrote: On 03 Jun 2010, at 10:17 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: It would be, but it's necessary. The ASF is a collaborative environment; unreviewed code should not released, even when the authors are committers. A major patch like this hitting svn,

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/3/2010 10:13 AM, Nick Kew wrote: On 3 Jun 2010, at 15:59, Sander Temme wrote: Are we ready to freeze the API? I think that's our Alpha - Beta transition point. How about a chart or something documenting API differences since 2.2? That would seem a useful input to answering your

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/1/2010 11:08 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Considering that 2.3/trunk is back to limbo-land, I'd like to propose that we be more aggressive is backporting some items. Even if under experimental, it would be nice if slotmem and socache were backported. I also like the refactoring of the

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-03 Thread Ruediger Pluem
On 04.06.2010 01:51, Graham Leggett wrote: On 03 Jun 2010, at 10:17 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: It would be, but it's necessary. The ASF is a collaborative environment; unreviewed code should not released, even when the authors are committers. A major patch like this hitting svn,

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 1, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Paul Querna wrote: On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org wrote: Considering that 2.3/trunk is back to limbo-land, I'd like to propose that we be more aggressive is backporting some items. Even if under experimental, it would be nice if

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
I got it... (no idea why my orig reply didn't make it thru)... I did a chunk of the 2.2 releases so I have the procedure down. On Jun 2, 2010, at 6:48 AM, Issac Goldstand wrote: Noone seems to have stepped up for this, so I'll voulenteer. Is there a RELEASE file somewhere with the exact

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-02 Thread Sander Temme
On Jun 1, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Considering that 2.3/trunk is back to limbo-land, I'd like to propose that we be more aggressive is backporting some items. Even if under experimental, it would be nice if slotmem and socache were backported. I also like the refactoring of

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-02 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On 3 June 2010 10:40, Sander Temme scte...@apache.org wrote: On Jun 1, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: Considering that 2.3/trunk is back to limbo-land, I'd like to propose that we be more aggressive is backporting some items. Even if under experimental, it would be nice if slotmem

What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-01 Thread Jim Jagielski
Considering that 2.3/trunk is back to limbo-land, I'd like to propose that we be more aggressive is backporting some items. Even if under experimental, it would be nice if slotmem and socache were backported. I also like the refactoring of the providers for proxy in trunk as compared to 2.2, but

Re: What's next for 2.2 and 2.3/trunk?

2010-06-01 Thread Paul Querna
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@apache.org wrote: Considering that 2.3/trunk is back to limbo-land, I'd like to propose that we be more aggressive is backporting some items. Even if under experimental, it would be nice if slotmem and socache were backported. I also like the