Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-04 Thread Jose Kahan
If it could help your PR effort, maybe you could have some kind of online testimonial or survey page of companies or big sites that have moved to Apache 2.2, stating how much time it took them to migrate to it from the previous server version, how much effort it took to migrate their propietary

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-03 Thread Erik Abele
On 02.10.2007, at 20:52, Paul Querna wrote: So, the first step is to cut out any illusion that new features are going into 1.3, with a statement like this: Starting in January 2008, only critical security issues will be fixed in Apache HTTP Server versions 1.3.x or 2.0.x. I honestly

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Oct 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Give that some thought :) One thing I'm pondering is a 2.3.0 alpha in the near future. If only to give the we stay back at version n.x-1 crowd something to chew on. Not to mention that it would be good

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Oct 2, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: On Oct 2, 2007, at 08:24, Jim Jagielski wrote: Well, we could do: o Apache 1.3 and 2.0 deprecated As part of the support community, I'd like to have this defined pretty clearly. I presume it can't mean no more bug fixes or security

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-02 Thread Jorge Schrauwen
On 10/2/07, Rich Bowen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 2, 2007, at 08:24, Jim Jagielski wrote: Well, we could do: o Apache 1.3 and 2.0 deprecated As part of the support community, I'd like to have this defined pretty clearly. I presume it can't mean no more bug fixes or security

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-02 Thread Jeff Trawick
On 10/2/07, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Give that some thought :) One thing I'm pondering is a 2.3.0 alpha in the near future. If only to give the we stay back at version n.x-1 crowd

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Oct 2, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Jeff Trawick wrote: On 10/2/07, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Give that some thought :) One thing I'm pondering is a 2.3.0 alpha in the near future. If only to give

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-02 Thread Paul Querna
Jim Jagielski wrote: On Oct 2, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Jeff Trawick wrote: On 10/2/07, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Give that some thought :) One thing I'm pondering is a 2.3.0 alpha in the near

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-02 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Oct 2, 2007 11:52 AM, Paul Querna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the first step is to cut out any illusion that new features are going into 1.3, with a statement like this: Starting in January 2008, only critical security issues will be fixed in Apache HTTP Server versions 1.3.x or 2.0.x.

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-02 Thread Ruediger Pluem
On 10/02/2007 08:52 PM, Paul Querna wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: On Oct 2, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Jeff Trawick wrote: On 10/2/07, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 1, 2007, at 6:52 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Give that some thought :) One thing I'm

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-02 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Oct 2, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Paul Querna wrote: So, the first step is to cut out any illusion that new features are going into 1.3, with a statement like this: Starting in January 2008, only critical security issues will be fixed in Apache HTTP Server versions 1.3.x or 2.0.x. I honestly

As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
this is something really worth pondering; http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/server_graph.html?type=httpdomaindir=month=200709servbase=YToyOntpOjA7czoxMzoiQXBhY2hlLzIuMC41OSI7aToxO3M6MTM6IkFwYWNoZS8xLjMuMzciO30=serv1=QXBhY2hlLzIuMi40 Give that some thought :) Bill

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Give that some thought :) One thing I'm pondering is a 2.3.0 alpha in the near future. If only to give the we stay back at version n.x-1 crowd something to chew on. Not to mention that it would be good for folks to start exploring what needs to be fixed in the

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-01 Thread Paul Querna
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: this is something really worth pondering; http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/server_graph.html?type=httpdomaindir=month=200709servbase=YToyOntpOjA7czoxMzoiQXBhY2hlLzIuMC41OSI7aToxO3M6MTM6IkFwYWNoZS8xLjMuMzciO30=serv1=QXBhY2hlLzIuMi40 Give that some thought :)

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Paul Querna wrote: I'm not sure what we are supposed to think about? Lots of people still use 1.3 for their own reasons, its not going to hold me back on things I would like to do in 2.4 or 3.0. Good point; maybe this is part of the issue, what we *already* do today in 2.2 etc, vs. what

Re: As we contemplate what to fix, and how to roll out 2.4 and 3.0

2007-10-01 Thread Brad Nicholes
On 10/1/2007 at 4:52 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Give that some thought :) One thing I'm pondering is a 2.3.0 alpha in the near future. If only to give the we stay back at version n.x-1 crowd something to