Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-09 Thread Reindl Harald

Am 08.03.2014 01:38, schrieb Noel Butler:
 This will be dealt with off list

with the words below which are only a part of the off-list reply
and this person is allowed to maintain a RBL in australia and
so anybody using bl.alt-backspace.org should re-consider that

Noel Butler:
 listen you cock sucking little fucking faggot cunt, fuclk off with your 
 fucking
 hollier than though fucking shit ok cuntface you are a nobody on any list 
 depsite
 the fact you think you are, you have no fucknig right to ask anyone to type 
 the
 way you want ok cunt eyes, just fuck off and spew your fucking shit

is a psychopathic reaction to the the simple question post in plaintext and
was the direct repsone to that off-list reply to Noel

 On 08/03/2014 10:49, Reindl Harald wrote:
 if you fail to heed that warning your the only one who will regret it
 stop your personal vendetta - the only one playing internet cop is you

 i have asked in a nice way to not post HTML and explained why
 the other person had no problem with my question / hin

  Original-Nachricht 
 Betreff: Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes
 Datum: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 18:24:26 +0100
 Von: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
 Antwort an: dev@httpd.apache.org
 An: dev@httpd.apache.org

 Am 07.03.2014 18:07, schrieb Yann Ylavic

 can you please post plaintext instead HTML to lists

 for me such messages are unreadable after medical operations
 on both eyes because you override my MUA font settings

 On 08/03/2014 09:51, Reindl Harald wrote:
 
 what exactly is your personal problem?
 can you please post plaintext instead HTML to lists
 you did see the word please?
 for me such messages are unreadable after medical operations on both eyes 
 because you override my MUA font settings
 you understood that reason?

 i follow that thread longer honestly interested
 there where a few HTML respones and *all* oft hem left unread
 because they contained a lot of content
 he has been warned about playing net cop
 who do you think you are calling others net cop because they ask for
 easier readable posts while you are the one proven to playing net cop
 due maintaining a RBL?
 Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
 is the response you should have been attacking

 Am 08.03.2014 00:39, schrieb Noel Butler:
 Harry, you have been warned before, dont bring your antics onto this list, 
 this is about the only list you have
 been most well behaved on, unlike others, please remember our previous 
 conversations. If you think a posters
 post violates some RFC, ignore it, or take it up with him in private, do 
 not pollute this list with your
 bullshit. Thank you :) On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 19:13 +0100, Reindl Harald 
 wrote:
 Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.:
 On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
 Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
 Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list that use of 
 HTML is something to apologize for?
 nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML and on 
 some others you get warned by the
 owner (postfix as example) 
 https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
 https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html 
 _
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.htmlNote: Spam filters don't 
 like messages with empty Subjects;
 just use e.g. subscribe or unsubscribe. Spam filters are also more 
 likely to reject HTML-formatted
 messages; please use plain text
 With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we -- in 
 the second decade of the 21st century
 -- deny ourselves the means of expression afforded by HTML on this list?
 because the message had no single HTML formatting and was written in plain 
 but as HTML may be a godd reason it
 hardly makes sense to write email in HTML, they just explode after some 
 replies/quotes and forwardings with
 different clients while a conversation in plaintext survises thousands of 
 replies without lose a sane quoting



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Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-09 Thread Eric Covener
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:

 Am 08.03.2014 01:38, schrieb Noel Butler:
 This will be dealt with off list

 with the words below which are only a part of the off-list reply

It should be kept off-list.  Just stop.


Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-09 Thread Nick Edwards
Truer words were never spoken about Harald Reindl, this person brings
trouble to every mailing list he joins

postfix - banned
fedora - moderation
centos - moderation/banned
roundcube - moderation
dovecot - final warnings

and they are just the lists I know of, and when moderated he is known
to send direct abuse and threats to people (this is why on roundcube
he will never be post status again)

removing the content of such deserved vulgar (about time somebody gave
him a dose of his own medicine for once) I do not find his hostname in
bl.alt-backspace.org so, if thats a fabrication, well, I'll leave it
to your imaginations.

I suggest this list moderates him as well else this is just the start
of things to come going by his very poor track record. Most  people
(myself included) have him filtered out anyway- now he's found his way
onto this list, I no longer whitelist this list.


Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-09 Thread Reindl Harald
the next one with his vendetta
i just *asked* consider post plain text
nothing more

Am 10.03.2014 00:32, schrieb Nick Edwards:
 Truer words were never spoken about Harald Reindl, this person brings
 trouble to every mailing list he joins
 
 postfix - banned

read the history

 fedora - moderation

no longer true for good reasons

 centos - moderation/banned

because *one* posting years ago

 roundcube - moderation

caused by Noel Butler and nobody else

 dovecot - final warnings

in a thread flamed by Noel Butler and youself
interesing that i am still there, Noel not and he had his vendetta against Timo 
long ago

 I do not find his hostname in bl.alt-backspace.org

because it was removed months ago after even Noel Butler realized
that it is the wrong way to blacklist whole networks because personal
problems with a single person and if people like Noel and you just
shut up many problems you list abvoe simply would not exist
__

frankly who do you and Noel think that you are to rule the world?
did i do anyhting bad on this list?
if yes show me
if no just shut up with your persnal justice trying to rule the world


there is not much left to say than that reject message below
noel.but...@ausics.net: host mail.ausics.net[27.33.160.23] said: 554 5.7.1
Sender address rejected: faggots not allowed



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Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-07 Thread Mikhail T.
On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
 Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list, that use of HTML is
something to apologize for? With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical
condition, why must we -- in the second decade of the 21st century -- deny
ourselves the means of expression afforded by HTML on this list? He can -- ought
to be able to -- adjust his MUA to use his font-preferences over whatever may be
specified in the incoming email.

I'd ask this question on /any/ mailing list, but it seems especially ironic
among developers of Apache httpd -- software meant to distribute content, that
is most often written in HTML...

Granted, some HTML can be offensive even to the healthy eyes -- and ought to be
viewed as impolite (not that Yann's was anything of the kind). But to request,
as Reindl did, that /all/ postings -- from all participants -- be in plain text,
seems rather overbearing...
 Here is the plain text.
Wouldn't it be better to send such a duplication to Reindl /personally/?

To avoid this becoming a list-wide flame war, I ask for the powers running this
list to convene and hand us the law: either HTML is acceptable (my own
preference), or it is not (in which case it should be bounced back by the
mailing list software with an appropriate message).

-mi



Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.:
 On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
 Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
 Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
 that use of HTML is something to apologize for? 

nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML
and on some others you get warned by the owner (postfix as example)

https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html
_

http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html

Note: Spam filters don't like messages with empty Subjects; just use e.g.
subscribe or unsubscribe. Spam filters are also more likely to reject
HTML-formatted messages; please use plain text

 With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we -- 
 in the second decade of the 21st century -- deny ourselves the means
 of expression afforded by HTML on this list?

because the message had no single HTML formatting and
was written in plain but as HTML may be a godd reason

it hardly makes sense to write email in HTML, they just
explode after some replies/quotes and forwardings with
different clients while a conversation in plaintext
survises thousands of replies without lose a sane quoting



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Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-07 Thread Noel Butler
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 12:58 -0500, Mikhail T. wrote:
 On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
 
  
  Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
 
 Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list, that use of
 HTML is something to apologize for? With all due sympathies to
 Reindl's medical 


Absolutely no apology required
Harald is just a system admin subscribed to this http developer list, he
has no association with Apache Software Foundation, he has been warned
about playing net cop where he has no authority to do so before, ignore
him.



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Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-07 Thread Noel Butler
Harry, you have been warned before, dont bring your antics onto this
list, this is about the only list you have been most well behaved on,
unlike  others, please remember our previous conversations. If you think
a posters post  violates some RFC, ignore it, or take it up with him in
private, do not pollute this list with your bullshit.

Thank you :)


On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 19:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:

 Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.:
  On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
  Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
  Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
  that use of HTML is something to apologize for? 
 
 nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML
 and on some others you get warned by the owner (postfix as example)
 
 https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
 https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html
 _
 
 http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html
 
 Note: Spam filters don't like messages with empty Subjects; just use e.g.
 subscribe or unsubscribe. Spam filters are also more likely to reject
 HTML-formatted messages; please use plain text
 
  With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we -- 
  in the second decade of the 21st century -- deny ourselves the means
  of expression afforded by HTML on this list?
 
 because the message had no single HTML formatting and
 was written in plain but as HTML may be a godd reason
 
 it hardly makes sense to write email in HTML, they just
 explode after some replies/quotes and forwardings with
 different clients while a conversation in plaintext
 survises thousands of replies without lose a sane quoting
 


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Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-07 Thread Reindl Harald
what exactly is your personal problem?

 can you please post plaintext instead HTML to lists

you did see the word please?

 for me such messages are unreadable after medical operations
 on both eyes because you override my MUA font settings

you understood that reason?

i follow that thread longer honestly interested
there where a few HTML respones and *all* oft hem left unread
because they contained a lot of content

 he has been warned about playing net cop

who do you think you are calling others net cop because they ask for
easier readable posts while you are the one proven to playing net cop
due maintaining a RBL?

 Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list

is the response you should have been attacking

Am 08.03.2014 00:39, schrieb Noel Butler:
 Harry, you have been warned before, dont bring your antics onto this list, 
 this is about the only list you have
 been most well behaved on, unlike  others, please remember our previous 
 conversations. If you think a posters post 
 violates some RFC, ignore it, or take it up with him in private, do not 
 pollute this list with your bullshit.
 
 Thank you :)
 
 On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 19:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
 Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.:
  On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
  Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
  Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
  that use of HTML is something to apologize for? 

 nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML
 and on some others you get warned by the owner (postfix as example)

 https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
 https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html
 _

 http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html

 Note: Spam filters don't like messages with empty Subjects; just use e.g.
 subscribe or unsubscribe. Spam filters are also more likely to reject
 HTML-formatted messages; please use plain text

  With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we -- 
  in the second decade of the 21st century -- deny ourselves the means
  of expression afforded by HTML on this list?

 because the message had no single HTML formatting and
 was written in plain but as HTML may be a godd reason

 it hardly makes sense to write email in HTML, they just
 explode after some replies/quotes and forwardings with
 different clients while a conversation in plaintext
 survises thousands of replies without lose a sane quoting



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Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)

2014-03-07 Thread Noel Butler
 

This will be dealt with off list 

On 08/03/2014 09:51, Reindl Harald wrote: 

 what exactly is your personal problem?
 can you please post plaintext instead HTML to lists

you did see the word please?

 for me such messages are unreadable after medical operations on both eyes 
 because you override my MUA font settings

you understood that reason?

i follow that thread longer honestly interested
there where a few HTML respones and *all* oft hem left unread
because they contained a lot of content

 he has been warned about playing net cop

who do you think you are calling others net cop because they ask for
easier readable posts while you are the one proven to playing net cop
due maintaining a RBL?

 Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list

is the response you should have been attacking

Am 08.03.2014 00:39, schrieb Noel Butler:

 Harry, you have been warned before, dont bring your antics onto this list, 
 this is about the only list you have been most well behaved on, unlike 
 others, please remember our previous conversations. If you think a posters 
 post violates some RFC, ignore it, or take it up with him in private, do not 
 pollute this list with your bullshit. Thank you :) On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 
 19:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.: On 
 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote: Sorry, this was posted from gmail... Is 
 it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list that use of HTML is 
 something to apologize for?
 nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML and
on some others you get warned by the owner (postfix as example)
https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
[1] https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html [2]
_ http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html
[3]Note: Spam filters don't like messages with empty Subjects; just use
e.g. subscribe or unsubscribe. Spam filters are also more likely to
reject HTML-formatted messages; please use plain text 

 With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we -- in the 
 second decade of the 21st century -- deny ourselves the means of expression 
 afforded by HTML on this list?
 because the message had no single HTML formatting and was written in
plain but as HTML may be a godd reason it hardly makes sense to write
email in HTML, they just explode after some replies/quotes and
forwardings with different clients while a conversation in plaintext
survises thousands of replies without lose a sane quoting 

 

Links:
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[1]
https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
[2] https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html
[3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html